Do girls in renfaire clips know whats coming?

[Steve57]

I always wondered if when they get shackeled if they know they are getting tickled or is it a surprise. Anyone know?

 

[taptoematt]

I've seen some renfaire clips and IMO, I think some of them don't have a clue until their footwear is removed.

 

[the tickleshow]

That's a good question. I've never been to a Renfaire but some of those girls look totally surprised.

 

[rhiannon]

If they are, how can they sell clips of it afterwards?

 

[Maestro1874]

You know, I've always wondered this myself.

 

[the tickleshow]

Well, just because they are surprised at first doesn't mean they can't be told after. OR the clips are being sold without their knowledge.(i doubt it but its possible)

 

[gigglemakr]

Most of the Renfaire clips that I have seen apparently took place in Europe (primarily Italy). There are Renfaires in the US, but has anyone been to one where a girl has been tickled in the foot stocks in the "town square"? There is a faire here in CO in the summer that I went to once, but didn't see anything of the sort. Would be fun to see, tough.

 

[rhiannon]

So how does the Renfairs being in Europe change anything?

 

[mr white]

They gotta know, those kind of entertainment are for people to watch at any time. They should have seen some other... eeer... victim on the stocks.

There may be for sure one or two people that they dont know, but most of them must know what's about to happen to them when they accept to be part of it.

 

[gigglemakr]

So how does the Renfairs being in Europe change anything?

It doesn't. It was just my observation that all the renfaire clips that I have seen have been European, so maybe that makes a difference as to whether the victim knows what they're in for. I don't know. I was also asking if anyone knows of renfaires in the US that do this and if there are any clips of them.

 

[Steve57]

It doesn't. It was just my observation that all the renfaire clips that I have seen have been European, so maybe that makes a difference as to whether the victim knows what they're in for. I don't know. I was also asking if anyone knows of renfaires in the US that do this and if there are any clips of them.

but what does that haveto do with the question i asked

 

[Sandisk444]

i've actually wondered that too, i just figured they did, why else would you get shackled up like that?

 

[gigglemakr]

but what does that haveto do with the question i asked

I thought it might pave the way to answer your question if we could find a US renfaire and get the answer you are seeking. I have no answer myself but would love to observe tickling stocks at a US renfaire and then inquire if the victim knew what was coming.

 

[Steve57]

nah it didnt do that

 

[Master Baiter]

Renfaire organizers in the US are just too uptight to stage something as risque as this.

All it takes is one uptight nut job with a screw loose to threaten legal action and they are through.


Europeans, OTOH, are better sports.

As far as them knowing, I don't think so.
Unless they have been hanging around watching other victims.


I have some of the first videos from the late '90 from Marco, and it looks like these guys ventured out, away from the stocks and "arrested" these hand picked (read HOT) women, trumped up some bogus charge, then went at them with gusto.

Check out Renfaire Tickling #6 on YouTube. Yowza!
That chic is totally ticklish, surprised, and hotter than hell!

If it ever did go badly, it never made it to tape.
The worst thing I saw (those tapes have hours of footage) was when one of their victims wasn't ticklish, they released her right away.

There was one young girl who was screaming her ass off whom they let out quickly when her friends (or siblings) had a go at her.

This stuff is true Non-Con at it's best! In public, no less.

 

[rhiannon]

It's possible that the tickling comes as a surprise, but they have to agree to be filmed and the clips be sold in Europe as well, so there has to be some kind of contract.

 

[Master Baiter]

Why is it so hard to believe there are no contracts?
There are a lot of people with camcorders at these things. They even have a couple of different camera angles in the edits.

The Renfaire stocks are not a business, and I don't see the clips being sold, just posted.
The vids were sold to (mostly) overseas customers. A customer posted them on their own accord.

I'm pretty sure these women have no idea they were put into a video.
A lot of these are old, and the internet is a big place.

They probably don't care as much as you do about it.

You know, a lot of people are filmed and put on the Web w/o contracts.
It happens every day.

 

[rhiannon]

You can't just make a video with unknowing people. As far as I know, those clips were sold on videos. It is just illegal, like filming someone while having sex without their knowledge and then sell that.

Sure, it happens, but it can end with a conviction. It's possible that most don't care, but all it needs is one person to find out and care about it.

Plus, I am not sure about the "not caring". I can't think of very many people who would be happy to find out videos of them were sold to fetishists.

 

[Phineas]

IIRC, when the organizers of the Renfaire Marco worked at found out that he was filming videos of the women and posting them here, they kicked him out. So, no. Being in Europe didn't change anything.

Still, I expect the debate over the morality of this to last another five or six pages. It's what we do 'round here.

 

[AmandaBear]

I'm pretty sure that in all the Renfaires in the States, the people in the crowd that appear to cause trouble and get punished for it (e.g. the stocks) are all part of an act...to entertain everyone else. So the ones in the US know what happens beforehand, but as for Europe, I have no idea.

 

[Master Baiter]

You can't just make a video with unknowing people.

Obviously, you can. Marco did it many times. I have 4 of them (there are more), there is 4-6 hours of footage on each video and it's edited down.

As far as I know, those clips were sold on videos. It is just illegal, like filming someone while having sex without their knowledge and then sell that.

Well, it's not sex, it's tickling, and it was done in public. No one's being hurt here, just a little non-con tom foolery. As badly as you want him to serve time, he never did.

Sure, it happens, but it can end with a conviction. It's possible that most don't care, but all it needs is one person to find out and care about it.

You know, this *is* a tickling forum, not a jailhouse lawyer discussion board. Some of us like to see the real thing. You seem intent on poo-pooing anything you deem illegal.

As Phineas said, the worst thing that happened was he was forced to leave. So he packed up his stocks and went to another Renfaire. Easy enough.

Plus, I am not sure about the "not caring". I can't think of very many people who would be happy to find out videos of them were sold to fetishists.

Speculate all you want, but how many of these clips have you actually viewed? There are one or two dozen floating around the internet, and not one single woman is upset by what happened to her. Same with the hundreds of others on Marco's tapes.

 

[rhiannon]

Speculate all you want, but how many of these clips have you actually viewed? There are one or two dozen floating around the internet, and not one single woman is upset by what happened to her.

How do you know that?

I actually couldn't care less because it never happened to me, but still I think it's a pretty bad thing to do. That's all.

Well, it's not sex, it's tickling, and it was done in public

When it is sold as a fetish product, and it is, I would say that it started to be sexual, wouldn't you?

 

[Phineas]

Obviously, you can.

You "can" do a lot of things. I can go out right now and play in traffic. That doesn't make it a good idea.

As badly as you want him to serve time, he never did.

Perhaps not, but I recall reading (and posting here) a news item a while back about a guy who told women he was an art student and took pictures of their feet, then posted them on a pay website that he ran. A friend of one of his "models" stumbled across her photos and pointed her to them. She contacted the authorities, and they began an investigation into possible fraud charges. I lost track of what happened next.

You know, this *is* a tickling forum, not a jailhouse lawyer discussion board. Some of us like to see the real thing. You seem intent on poo-pooing anything you deem illegal.

Yes, because it'd be much better for everyone involved if someone did something that was illegal, but didn't know it, and got caught. Especially if they were on the fence about whatever-it-was and got convinced to do it by the peanut gallery, here.

As Phineas said, the worst thing that happened was he was forced to leave. So he packed up his stocks and went to another Renfaire. Easy enough.

...begging the question of, "If what he did wasn't wrong, why did they ask him to leave?"

There are one or two dozen floating around the internet, and not one single woman is upset by what happened to her.

How many of them even know they're starring in candid fetish porn?

It just comes back to the old mantra of the TMF, "What can I get away with?" Seems to me like all's fine and dandy as long as you don't get caught.

 

[Master Baiter]

How do you know that?

I know it because I've seen them. If you had, you'd know it too. They are smiling and laughing before, during, and after.

I actually couldn't care less because it never happened to me, but still I think it's a pretty bad thing to do. That's all.

For someone who couldn't care less, you're sure getting your panties in a wad over it.
I don't think it's such a bad thing to do, and apparently, neither do the women.

When it is sold as a fetish product, and it is, I would say that it started to be sexual, wouldn't you?

"Sold as a Fetish Product?" Haha! Good one!
It's just sold, sweetheart. What you choose to do with it is your own business. Much like rolling papers sold at a convenience store.

Back on topic: The look of surprise on their faces when they realize what's about to happen is my favorite part. It seems genuine enough to me, and believe me, I've heard plenty of phony laughter from paid models who are clearly faking it. Haven't we all?!

This is why I like these so much. It's the real deal.

 

[Babbles]

No brainer. (*Should be...)

Which is exactly why it's obviously wrong --- they have no idea.
They may really hate it, they may have had horrible experiences previously --- and this probably doesn't help...

If they're traumatized --- the asshole probably erases that "footage." Or maybe sells it elsewhere --- Of course I also hope said asshole is caught, not just banned from a renfaire...

I'm glad this was brought up --- it's a pity there will always be those selfish sadistic barbarians who defend non-con torture of the unsuspecting or unwilling --- any amount could be torture for someone ---

If it was arranged, just one posted sign --- "this might get ticklish" or "ticklestocks" or "potentially ticklish situation" then fine --- if they knew they were to be taped & their reactions broadcast internationally on fetish sites ---- If they're consenting, it's cute.

Otherwise it's very creepy, to politely & drastically understate.