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Is it more fun for you too???

Rhiannon

Rhiannon, you said, "I just doubt that a lot of significant others would agree with that. Some do, but I believe they are in the minority."

No argument with that, sister. Part of the problem is guys overlook the girls who are crazy about them. The rest of the problem is explained in that book I recommended.
 
Part of the problem is guys overlook the girls who are crazy about them.

Men and women alike tend to want who is NOT crazy about them, because something is valued much higher if it was hard to get. 🙂
 
I can think of no fewer than four fantastic girls I've known who put up with getting tickled because it pleased me.

So, unless you really like to 'put it about a bit', would it fair to assume that at least 3 decided to no longer put up with it? Possibly all four?
At best that's a 75% failure rate - and that's only taking those particular four into consideration.
I think we need to face the facts. For most of us tickling is supposed to be 'unbearable' (even if you love it) - otherwise it's just pointless. If you don't love it, well, putting up with it will just make your life miserable. How long will someone put up with that? And would you really want them to if you cared about them?
I once had a girlfriend who loved licking eyeballs (yes, I'm serious!) I fucking hated it! It lasted a week. I don't consider myself as being inconsiderate of her needs for leaving her - I'd have considered myself a total dumbass if I hadn't!
 
miskiduk

Thanks for your response. What I'm talking about is not the eternal battles like how warm to set the heat or how cool to set the air-conditioner. I refer to the subtly communicated dominant-submissive arrangement of some but not all or even many relationships. And when a male tickler hooks up with a girl who submits to the tickling because he enjoys doing it to her, it's gold.
 
Word.

I also know a lot of lers who prefer it if the lee enjoys it as well, because that naturally leads to much longer sessions.

Yeah, the average vanilla woman starts complaining and saying things like "if you don't stop I'm leaving" if you tickle her too vigorously. Doesn't mean you didn't have your bit of fun but it's much better if it lasts longer than 10 minutes.
 
I think we need to face the facts. For most of us tickling is supposed to be 'unbearable' (even if you love it) - otherwise it's just pointless. If you don't love it, well, putting up with it will just make your life miserable. How long will someone put up with that? And would you really want them to if you cared about them?

Very well said!

I once had a girlfriend who loved licking eyeballs (yes, I'm serious!) I fucking hated it!

YUCK!! Ewww! Oh my God! 🙂 I can imagine you didn't go for that very long...that must have been a terrible feeling!!
 
What was it that happened to the Hindenburg?

Libertine, your knowledge of women just isn't as good as mine, it seems, as I can think of no fewer than four fantastic girls I've known who put up with getting tickled because it pleased me.

Pray forgive me, Oh Great Guru. Perhaps you might vouchsafe unto me and the rest of your humble subjects the infinite "knowledge of women" which your lifetime of study has granted you, by teaching a class on the subject at NEST this May.

05-01-2008, 06:23 PM
With regrets I won't attend NEST even though it's less than two hours' travel from my home. I don't know about others who have a family unaware of his or her interest in tickling, but that's my situation and anyone with spouse/children knows weekends are much harder than weekdays for sneaking away!
Direct link to above quote: http://www.ticklingforum.com/showthread.php?p=1671533&highlight=nest#post1671533

Hm. So you're actually telling us that your unparalleled understanding of the female mind doesn't quite stretch far enough to permit you to convince your own wife to indulge you, or successfully introduce your favourite sexual activity to the most important woman in your life before you married her, or even give you the ability to tell her about your fetish in the first place?

Perhaps you'd better wrap your lower extremities in something waterproof before bathing, showering or swimming.

Otherwise you risk dissolving your Feet Of Clay.

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YUCK!! Ewww! Oh my God! 🙂 I can imagine you didn't go for that very long...that must have been a terrible feeling!!

PMSL. I only let her do it once, for about 5 seconds, and I was screaming like a banshee.
Even just thinking about it makes my nuts shrivel 😀
 
I only let her do it once, for about 5 seconds, and I was screaming like a banshee.
Even just thinking about it makes my nuts shrivel

I tried to imagine that and started laughing hard. :bouncybou
 
Libertine

Thanks for your response.

If I had enough time to sift through thousands of someone's comments only to prove I didn't understand what he said in the first place, there would be proof someone actually wins these millionaire lotteries we read about in the newspapers! What numbers did you play?

There are girls you have fun with and girls you marry. Would be nice if they could be the same woman, but how haven't you ever wrongly predicted how a relationship would go?
 
I refer to the subtly communicated dominant-submissive arrangement of some but not all or even many relationships. And when a male tickler hooks up with a girl who submits to the tickling because he enjoys doing it to her, it's gold.

As far as I can see, the type of woman the OP was referring to was a VANILLA person who just plain hated to be tickled, and plenty of those do exist. If you are referring to a relationship with a D/s dynamic, that relationship can't really be labeled vanilla, even if the dynamic is subtle. For a woman who dislikes tickling to submit to it in this context, she is still getting a rush from it, from the act of submitting, even though she doesn't "get off" on it in the way most of the members of this site do.

Also, back to the more vanilla realm, it isn't uncommon, especially in the early days of a relationship, for people to do something to please a partner that they don't particularly enjoy, probably because they don't see long term potential, and/or think the activity will be "just the once". Nor is it unusual for people to "trade kinks"- i.e. I'll do yours if you do mine.

But as many others have said already- it's not an ideal situation, to have to do things you dislike, on all levels, in the context of a relationship. How long can this last? How long before resentment sets in? Trust me, OP, if noncon is your thing, there are PLENTY of folks who have a love/hate relationship with their fetish, and will quite honestly dislike it and resist you, but still enjoy it at the same time.

Thanks for your response.

If I had enough time to sift through thousands of someone's comments only to prove I didn't understand what he said in the first place, there would be proof someone actually wins these millionaire lotteries we read about in the newspapers! What numbers did you play?

If one were curious about which gatherings a person had attended, say, NEST, as it's the largest one and the closest to NJ, all that's needed is a 10-second search of the forums. In this case, a search for Post by: Em Es: and Keyword: NEST. for all posts on that topic. These search terms returned only 15 posts out of more than 3000 you've found the time to make on the TMF, and the quoted post was the most recent, so no time-consuming search is necessary.


There are girls you have fun with and girls you marry. Would be nice if they could be the same woman, but how haven't you ever wrongly predicted how a relationship would go?

Fair enough. We all make incorrect predictions: I did, with an old BF. Things he had said early on led me to believe that he was a bit kinky, or at least kink-friendly, but when it came down to it, he wasn't, or just couldn't be bothered. This is one of several reasons he's an ex now.

But sometimes the one you have fun with and the one you marry IS the same person, and for me, I couldn't have it any other way. 6 years together including 4 years married (and counting) and before you say that isn't a terribly long relationship, bear in mind that I'm 28, so it is quite an appreciable portion of my adult life.

And as far as tickling goes, I'm a "convert".
 
As my ler'ing skills get more experienced in technique and situation, I think things all depend on situation. For instance, tying up and tickling a lee who while they enjoy it is going out of their mind and begging for mercy, WIN! Tying up and tickling a Vanilla who's not into tickling but is willing to indulge me and get into the moment because I'm into the moment, WIN! Tickling a Vanilla in a surprise situation who really wants it to stop, but gives great ticklish reactions despite hating it, WIN! Tickling a Vanilla or lee who has horrible reactions to tickling (yell, scream, shrieks, serious threats of violence), FAIL! It all depends on situation.....generally speaking though, if I can make the lee enjoy the experience, then it's enjoyable for me too.
 
KittenToes

I appreciate your thoughtful words. It is an honor to have you, one of the T.M.F. superstars, address me.

Regarding that fellow looking up my three-year old comment about N.E.S.T., you say, "If one were curious about which gatherings a person had attended, say, NEST, as it's the largest one and the closest to NJ, all that's needed is a 10-second search of the forums. In this case, a search for Post by: Em Es: and Keyword: NEST." If you go back and read the comments leading up to that (and I hope you have better things to do with your time), you will see I never mentioned N.E.S.T., so he must have done a general search on my posts in order to make a disagreement into a personal attack.
 
I appreciate your thoughtful words. It is an honor to have you, one of the T.M.F. superstars, address me.

Regarding that fellow looking up my three-year old comment about N.E.S.T., you say, "If one were curious about which gatherings a person had attended, say, NEST, as it's the largest one and the closest to NJ, all that's needed is a 10-second search of the forums. In this case, a search for Post by: Em Es: and Keyword: NEST." If you go back and read the comments leading up to that (and I hope you have better things to do with your time), you will see I never mentioned N.E.S.T., so he must have done a general search on my posts in order to make a disagreement into a personal attack.

When someone professes a great knowledge of women and relationships, whether that person has indulged in their fetish in real life or not is, I would say, a natural question- and how better to find the answer, or at least information about the subject, than by trying to see if they've attended a large event quite close to them?

As for a personal attack, were I "a fellow" with lots of life experience, I would consider someone saying
Libertine , your knowledge of women just isn't as good as mine, it seems...
a personal attack. I can assure you that while this "fellow's" knowledge of women isn't perfect- no man will ever manage to completely figure us out- he's "got it" far better than the majority of men I've met.

And in case you were wondering why I'm taking an interest in this...

KittenToes said:
But sometimes the one you have fun with and the one you marry IS the same person, and for me, I couldn't have it any other way. 6 years together including 4 years married (and counting) and before you say that isn't a terribly long relationship, bear in mind that I'm 28, so it is quite an appreciable portion of my adult life..

And it can always be seen, in the upper right hand corner of my posts, where I live and who Libertine is.

To quote from Charlotte Bronte's Jane Eyre, "Reader, I married him..."

Guess "that fellow" managed to analyze women well enough to get SOMETHING right, eh?
 
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Perhaps I should not have . . .

KittenToes, thanks. Perhaps I should not have responded to a personal attack with one of my own, but when someone takes a swing at you and is foolish enough not to cover up, well, what does one expect? The person in question fired the first shot, questioning my knowledge of women instead of just discussing my argument. He left himself wide open.

As for your final point, KittenToes, kindly know I am one of the worse athletes to ever disgrace a playing field yet even I stuck my glove in the air and had the baseball land in it once or twice.

To all: Please don't confuse yourselves by taking my comments on female-male relations as a claim of being a ladies man. The guy who looked though all my posts may have seen more than one remark of mine about being a flop with chicks my entire bachelorhood. That's how I learned what I know, by doing everything wrong.
 
KittenToes, thanks. Perhaps I should not have responded to a personal attack with one of my own, but when someone takes a swing at you and is foolish enough not to cover up, well, what does one expect? The person in question fired the first shot, questioning my knowledge of women instead of just discussing my argument. He left himself wide open.

My first response in this post quoted two people so could hardly be taken as a specific personal attack on one. But your 'riposte', which directly cast aspersions on my (admittedly non-comprehensive- I'm a straight male, after all) knowledge of women while simultaneously tacitly admitting an inablity to communicate your desires to your own wife really was too tempting a target- the first 'personal attack' was yours, hence my reply.

The guy who looked though all my posts...

I didn't need to look through all your posts- a quick site search using your handle combined with "Nest" as keywords brought up the first and only post to which I referred. So I didn't see anything about your being
a flop with chicks my entire bachelorhood.
though it's kind of you to enlighten us.

Finally, were your wife ever to overcome her apparent revulsion regarding your favourite kink and come onto this site, identifying herself as your spouse, I'd never refer to her her using the feminine equivalent of the way you've referenced me to my own wife- 'The guy' or 'The person in question'- nor would I use a baseball metaphor,
As for your final point, KittenToes, kindly know I am one of the worse athletes to ever disgrace a playing field yet even I stuck my glove in the air and had the baseball land in it once or twice.

or any other to insult you by indicating your own relationship was pure luck.

That would be both boorish and uncouth, two afflictions which I'm sure have never knowingly plagued you.
 
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Libertine

Your first comment directed at the person who started this discussion me was, "Great knowledge of women, guys." You did not simply address my comments, instead making it into a personal attack. Next time just respond to the comments and there will be no problems, dig?

Even though I did not mention N.E.S.T., you searched me using that term?

I know nothing about your wife. Please don't think I was saying anything about her.
 
Libertine I knowz mor bout womenz dan u do sometimes I am just horrible athlet so i stick my hand up and the slice of pizza comes in it so that counts for somet hing sometimes u stik ur hand up and yu get pizza nomnomnom and the cheese.
 
Two failed engagements and a failed marriage. Anything you want to know about women just ask me! :goodjob:
:trainwreck:
:woman:
 
Every person will have varying perception of what is fun or not. The person who owns the body knows better, if not, he/she is a cadaver.
 
Your first comment directed at the person who started this discussion me was, "Great knowledge of women, guys." You did not simply address my comments, instead making it into a personal attack. Next time just respond to the comments and there will be no problems, dig?

Oh wow, man. Like, were you bummed out? Spare me the archaic argot- this went out with the 60s.

Even though I did not mention N.E.S.T., you searched me using that term?

Yes, very sensibly attempting to find out if I know you personally before I responded to your post. NEST would be your closest large event since you state you live in NJ, and had you ever attended it's likely we'd already have met, since I've been to all but one since 2001, the past five with Kittentoes.

I know nothing about your wife. Please don't think I was saying anything about her.

Thanks for the mention, Rhiannon, and your very amusing message of support, Meangry.

KittenToes and I really cannot continue our careful explanations since they remain unread and unacknowledged by Em Es, who insists on simply repeating himself. But to re-iterate the most important of the points he keeps ignoring,

SHE AND I HAVE BEEN TOGETHER FOR SIX YEARS AND LEGALLY MARRIED FOR FOUR YEARS.

I have no more interest in continuing this discussion.
 
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They always "don't want to argue" when . . .

they are losing the argument.

Libertine, if you meant no offense by "Great knowledge of women, guys" crack, then I cheerfully withdraw my response, especially if that thar sword of yours is real.

Rhiannon, as for knowing who is married to whom, what the hell is this, a celebration of tickling or an on-line Degrassi?

Meangry, are you Jackie Martling by any chance? I'd recognize that sharp wit anywhere.
 
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Rhiannon, as for knowing who is married to whom, what the hell is this, a celebration of tickling or an on-line Degrassi?

It just seemed to me that you apparently don't know very much about the people you discuss with, even after they told you - and in this case, your comments made you look a little bit like a fool.
 
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