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The effectiveness of male and female 'lers; A comparison.

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Who in your opinion is more effective?


Female 'Lers or Males?

If Male 'Lers; Why? Is it due to testosterone/ basic genetic coding?

If Female 'Lers; Why?

What (in your opinion, of course) are the Pros and Cons of each party?

This is an open discussion. I know there are folks who are strictly against M/M or such forth that is clear.

I'm just looking for a more broad response or input then - "FEMALEZ CUSZ THEY RNT MALEZ."

Thanks, guys. 🙂











*Thank you, Artoo for the help with the topic/thread title.
 
I'd surmise that it all depends on the skill of each individual, and doesn't really relate to gender. That's probably a lame answer. 😛
 
I think whether you're a male or a female you are inherently geared towards being either dominant or submissive. I've always thought that tickling is a very fun and safe way to exert your dominant nature. I think the pros of a female ler are that females have way more attention to detail and if they truly love tickling, they will be thorough in tickling the lee.Females also connect emotionally to people better than males, and the relationship between a ler and a lee is important. The cons a of a female ler (in my experience) is their apprehension to be agressive, and tickle harder. The pros of a male ler is their willingness to be as agressive as they need to be to get a good reaction from the lee. Though, this can backfire. I know that I on occasion have tickled to hard, which just makes the lee say ouch! and frown. Pain kinda kills the mood. That's my humble opinion on the subject.
 
female ticklers are better cuz they usually have long fingernails.



and I'd rather be tickled by a female because I'm not comfortable with guy on guy tickling. as far as videos. pretty much the same applies, and I'd rather see two chicks anyway.
 
Tklr90 said:
female ticklers are better cuz they usually have long fingernails.
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Men can and have grown their nails out, though.

And as per your comfortability on M/M? I understand, I touched base on that in the beginning of the thread. 🙂

Juss lookin' for opinions an such forth.
 
No worries, crystal...

So, I spent a bit of time thinking about this (the same question got asked on the UKTF a week or so ago) and I came to the following conclusion...

It's not that males are better than females, or vice versa. It's more to do with technique.

There is a trend in male tickling (not all men, just a generalisation) which is to be quite agressive. There's nothing wrong with this technique, though I personally try to stay away from it? Why? Because one of the reasons I love tickling is that doing something with almost no effort can completely make your victim submit to your will completely! And you don't need to be agressive to do that.

Now, as any sort of tickling can be done by both males and females, it seems like they stand equal. I think personally though, females have the added effect of being able to bring someone to complete helplessness, even though they might be physically weaker.
This womanly empowerment makes it look like they are doing much more, relative to a male tickler.

And so females appear to be much more effective ticklers, even though they might be on a par with men in terms of physical ability, there is a mental and emotional element to it as well.

I hope that all made sense.
 
A person of either gender that you're comfortable with is probably more effective than a stranger of either gender. I think the relationship and the 'ler's individual skill are probably more important than gender.
 
I find most guys to be too rough and not very good technique-wise. They tend to just look for the area that gets the most laughter (or screams of pain) and dig in. Women, I find, to be more calculated and careful. Plus they don't hurt.
 
I believe sadism is unisexual.

That said, hard techniques and treating a lee like a piece of giggle meat seems to be a predominantly male issue.

I believe that males usually need to learn better technique. Females, if you find the right ones, really enjoy the power exchanges.
 
I have learned by way of feedback from female submissives to tickle in the way that a woman does - very light, meticulous and attentive to detail - I surprised two submissive ladies at a dungeon last week - they laughed and fought their bonds as they were delicately and thoroughly tickled by a man they had expected would cause more pain than pleasure - I think the very best tickler is a man who tickles like a woman and does so with respect, caring and dignity while providing the most pleasure he can.
 
I think men are capable of being gentle, aware and sensitive to the 'lee, so I'm not sure if there is a gender specific difference. I do agree that some men may tend to be more "rough", but that could be from lack of experience, lack of empathy or lack of a number of things. I, for one (as a 'ler), prefer to be more gentle and cognizant of the 'lee as more than just ticklish flesh for my pleasure...communication prior to and during any tickling is also key to the experience (but I acknowledge that many men lack in those skills as well). While there may be gender differences, maturity, experience and skill certainly factor into the equation, too.
 
AnnieHall said:
I find most guys to be too rough and not very good technique-wise. They tend to just look for the area that gets the most laughter (or screams of pain) and dig in. Women, I find, to be more calculated and careful. Plus they don't hurt.
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For the most part I've had the opposite experience: men know what they're doing and don't frickin' SCRATCH with their supposedly deadly nails, and they find the ticklish areas and (gasp) focus on them to the best effect; meanwhile most females who've tried with me or whom I've seen in videos aren't strong enough to do justice to actions like like knee-squeezing that need a little hand-strength, and they often have NO rap when it comes to dominant tk-talk. With a few lovely female exceptions (and you know who you are :firedevil) I'll take a male 'ler every day all day. Now having said that, it's my personal experience and I do *not* think that either gender is better. For every Jeff or DVNC there's a Stephanie Locke or a LeeAllure 😎
 
This is a good topic, and one that's open to a lot of consideration. Of course, EVERY person is different. I think the real thing you have to ask is if you're talking about tickling for fun or tickling for the purposes of domination.

For fun, I think women can do a great job. Now, of course, I'm talking about the tickling OF women. There's more of a sense of play, and a womnan getting into the woman's mindset.

Now, domination...I gotta go with guys. The motivation is stronger, I believe. and I agree with Bella that men get a bad rap on the whole "oh, it's too hard" thing. You just haven't been tickled by the right men. To use tickling as domination takes skill...and wearing someone out by going all out up front isn't going to accomplish that.

I can only speak for myself here, but I get far more satisfaction by playing a woman's ticklish spots (all of them...not just the usuals) and using them against her in a devastation combination of on-edge anticipation and full-bore attack mode. You have to balance the two. I think men, being more intuned to the actual touching of a woman's body, have the potetnial to really use that drive to take a woman over the edge.

Of course, the preceeding is only my opinion. :triangle:
 
I like this topic, because I've thought of this before. I agree very much with Dave2112, in that guys can be very precise. I suppose I can't really talk on behalf of women, as the only experience I've ever had was my girlfriend (who really isn't all that great at tickling) on the few occasions she tried ticking me.

I'm not extremely ticklish. I'm just not hyper-ticklish but since my girlfriends technique was very much "I'm going to scratch the hell out of you with my nails" she never elicited much laughter from me and therefore gave up on the idea.

I, on the other hand, knew where she was ticklish and also knew that for some reason her feet may not be ticklish on particular days or some other place on other days. I could make her roll around on the floor by tickling gently, but in the right places.

So as far as personal experience is concerned, I think sometimes girls need to give guys another chance because when it comes down to it guys are very physical people. Being physical doesn't mean rough, necessarily, but we enjoy touching and perhaps naturally pay closer attention to things like this.
 
Dave2112 said:
I think men, being more intuned to the actual touching of a woman's body, have the potential to really use that drive to take a woman over the edge.
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To slightly argue for a sec..

Aren't technically women more intune to the female form?

As per most sexual aspects..I do agree for the most part that men are more commonly intune to the female body. (for the Lesbians that will argue that with me; I added 'for the most part' 😉 )

But, in a whole..aren't women more intune?
 
Aren't technically women more intune to the female form?
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I think 'yes', but with a resounding 'no'. I'm not trying to get deep or anything, but I think women just aren't as interested in themselves physically the same way that guys are.

Guys, and lesbians, dig the physical form of other girls, and so take more notice.

Women are females, so 'yes', but how many times are you surprised by how a guy can make you feel? so 'no'.

can somebody tell me how ya'll do the quotes thing? I don't think I did it right... thanks
 
scrap said:
but I think women just aren't as interested in themselves physically the same way that guys are.
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'Course they aren't.

However, it's natural for a women to instinctively be aware of her body, thus making her keen to her own and other females for the most part.
 
However, it's natural for a women to instinctively be aware of her body, thus making her keen to her own and other females for the most part.
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True. But then again as most people can't tickle themselves, it would also be fair to say that in some ways, others can know our bodies better then ourselves. Self stimulation is always different then being stimulated by another, even when it's the same.

That being said, i would say that neither sex is better, and it all comes done to personal skills and likes/dislikes. Especially when it comes to something as tempermental as tickling.
 
Cosmo_ac said:
True. But then again as most people can't tickle themselves, it would also be fair to say that in some ways, others can know our bodies better then ourselves. Self stimulation is always different then being stimulated by another, even when it's the same.
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You're 100% Correct, but I was referencing the aspect of a Female Ler.

That being said, i would say that neither sex is better, and it all comes done to personal skills and likes/dislikes. Especially when it comes to something as tempermental as tickling.
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Good post. I agree with that.
 
it's natural for a women to instinctively be aware of her body, thus making her keen to her own and other females for the most part.
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That being said, i would say that neither sex is better, and it all comes done to personal skills and likes/dislikes. Especially when it comes to something as tempermental as tickling.
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I think you two put together one excellent thought 🙂 win
 
My assumption, of course, was based on my overall experience with each gender. That said, it could be completely inaccurate. I know it is most likely based on a lot of things, none of which are gender-exclusive. I also think that just because a woman is aware of her body doesn't mean she would be better at tickling a woman. Women come in all kinds of shapes, sizes, colors, etc, some people more ticklish, others not so much, etc. I don't think what works on one person would necessarily work on another.
 
Gender's irrelevant, as is race, creed or color. It's individual, AND it depends on how the 'lee feels 'bout that 'ler. Even if three 'lees thought you were deadly, one might just find ya average. Not her/his cuppa.

Could be technique, or play style, or banter, etc.

It really depends on who's tickling. I've watched Lee casually destroy a man with a smile, snake-eyed charm, sheer force of will, and some wiggling fingers. The guy wasn't even bound. Clearly, she's effective.

I do alright, too. So do MANY men.

Just depends on which ones in each gender.

'Course, practice makes perfect...
 
AnnieHall said:
I also think that just because a woman is aware of her body doesn't mean she would be better at tickling a woman.
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I disagree to an extent..

It's not just being aware of her body in of itself..It's of the female form in general.

Why do ya think if women hung out long enough we'd start regulatin' at the same time?

Theres something more there, is all I meant.
 
I see where you're coming from, but I don't think that would really factor into something like tickling. I could see it perhaps working with more sexual activities, but not so much tickling. Who knows, though?
 
I read a study once when I was in college, that was I believe in the New England Journal of Medicine. It was performed in Japan, and a male doctor tickled females, while a female doctor tickled males. The tickling was concentrated on the feet, and whether it was a male or a female they seemed to pretty much get the same response. One of the factors was whether they just tickled, or said "Cootyo cootyo" (which if I have spelled it correctly was the Japanese version of cootchie cootchie). The only relevant part of that study that I can remember was that the reaction was enhanced when the verbal "teasing" was added.

TOTALLY cool study to read when I was a young and virile tickler, I didn't realize that anyone had actually put it to a test. Anyway, there was also a poll done once about ticklers, and who would be the most effective tickler. One doctor surmised that the most effective tickler would likely be an actor or actress, because of their ability to utilize fantasy and make it reality. Interesting.

From a male point of view, I believe that a female would be a very effective tickler in a sensual and sexual sense. I've been tickled by lots of girlfriends in my time, and it evoked such a sexual response in me. A male, on the other hand, would probably elicit much more of the "don't touch me like that!" kind of response in me. I've rarely been tickled by another guy, but I do recall that it was kind of embarrassing.

There was once a girl I dated in my first year of college that could tickle the living hell out of me, because she was so damned good at it. I couldn't take it when she tickled me, she was very forceful and obviously intent on getting a strong reaction out of me. That makes me think that it's perhaps the intent of the tickler that makes them better or worse at getting a response.
 
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