how could they implement such a thing? At least I know I won't be going here to borrow books! (ps, sorry it's a little outdated but I just registered yesterday!)
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/7899p-7262c.html
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how could they implement such a thing? At least I know I won't be going here to borrow books! (ps, sorry it's a little outdated but I just registered yesterday!)
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/7899p-7262c.html
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As I go to library school at Queens College, this story naturally came up for discussion one night. We librarians (if I can speak of myself that way, since I'm still two semesters off from my MLS) do consider ourselves professionals, and with that comes a duty to dress professionally. Not many people would take a doctor or a lawyer in a miniskirt and tank top seriously, now would they?
Still, the policy does seem overly restrictive, and I'm sure it will be modified down the pike.
Still, the policy does seem overly restrictive, and I'm sure it will be modified down the pike.
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lol...this IS pretty ridiculous. Pretty much my entire wardrobe consists of blue jeans and t-shirts, I have a few nice dresses but they're for special occassions...like...weddings and funerals and shit. Hehe... so what, if I worked in that library they'd expect me to go out and buy all new clothes just to work there? I'd be like "sure, I'll conform to the dress code, as long as YOU pay for the clothes you expect me to wear". If they all said that, might make them think twice about such a stupid rule. I mean, I agree there are certain kinds of clothes that are innappropriate for work... if their skirts were the really tiny, trashy variety; or their shirts were so low-cut that their boobs were hanging out etc., but blue jeans, sandals, t-shirts and fleece? Come on.
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This looks to me like a fairly typical dress code, the sort most American businesses have for their office workers. For most of my working life I've had to wear a noose around my neck. Sorry, I find it hard to have much sympathy for the protestors.
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You know I'm a little slow on the upswing here, and I'm fairly new to the community, so bare with me here, Daumantas you are the frickin' man....The Godking bows to you, and furthermore, I gotta say, I support the dress code, I've had to wear one since I was in second grade, so why the hell are they complaining
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There is a thread similar in nature located here....
http://www.ticklingforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17153
Ah and that is were I state most of my views....
Dress code is dress code. When you own a company than you can say someone has to wear whatever you want. If they don't like it... then they can work elsewhere.....
Now... as a teacher, my school uniform was a tax write off... So... heehee.... But-- anyway, I dont see anything wrong with imposing a dresscode.
And that is even though I think the No sandals or open toe shoes bit is excessive. I HATE shoes! Especially ones where my toesies can't show.
AH well...
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http://www.ticklingforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17153
Ah and that is were I state most of my views....
Dress code is dress code. When you own a company than you can say someone has to wear whatever you want. If they don't like it... then they can work elsewhere.....
Now... as a teacher, my school uniform was a tax write off... So... heehee.... But-- anyway, I dont see anything wrong with imposing a dresscode.
And that is even though I think the No sandals or open toe shoes bit is excessive. I HATE shoes! Especially ones where my toesies can't show.
AH well...
Live, Laugh and TICKLE
Sunriseticklee
may I ask what field you teach, Sunriseticklee? Teachers are the most admirable individuals, they place others and the future ahead of themselves, something we all should emulate, especially in trying to conserve on the over comsumption of natural resources!😉
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I gotta reply to this one
I am strongly against any kind of dress code. How strongly? Let me tell you what caused me to drop out of Lincoln Tech. It seems that, during the fourth semester, you are required to show up every day wearing a suit and tie. (for women, formal attire, the correct terms of which I am uncertain of) Failure to do so will result in not being allowed into the classroom, and therefore, not graduating. So I pretty much said screw that. I can succeed on my own terms. I was one of the top students in my class, with a very strong understanding of the material. But because I refuse to conform, I will not receive a degree. While some guy who sits there, crams right before a test, then forgets everything he just learned (no one specific, by the way, just an example) will. I find it sad that so many are too narrow-minded to see beyond what someone is wearing. It may be that most would not take a casually-dressed doctor seriously. But that is only because we are force-fed stereotypes. I, for one, would rather be operated on by someone fully competent who dresses casually than someone who dresses professionally, but hasn't got a clue.
I am strongly against any kind of dress code. How strongly? Let me tell you what caused me to drop out of Lincoln Tech. It seems that, during the fourth semester, you are required to show up every day wearing a suit and tie. (for women, formal attire, the correct terms of which I am uncertain of) Failure to do so will result in not being allowed into the classroom, and therefore, not graduating. So I pretty much said screw that. I can succeed on my own terms. I was one of the top students in my class, with a very strong understanding of the material. But because I refuse to conform, I will not receive a degree. While some guy who sits there, crams right before a test, then forgets everything he just learned (no one specific, by the way, just an example) will. I find it sad that so many are too narrow-minded to see beyond what someone is wearing. It may be that most would not take a casually-dressed doctor seriously. But that is only because we are force-fed stereotypes. I, for one, would rather be operated on by someone fully competent who dresses casually than someone who dresses professionally, but hasn't got a clue.
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lust4feet said:
Middle school History.... Fun times too, I might add.
This year has been awesome so far!
Maverick83.. you definitely have my respect on this issue, whether I agree with you or not.
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The dresscode-o-holic. LOL
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Hmmmm.....
I have mixed feelings about this one...not just in libraries, but anywhere. I believe that, when on the job, people should dress accordingly. They can dress as they like away from the job. However, these rules DO seem a bit excessive.
One example of why I think SOME sort of dress code is a must...
We were in a local Borders a few weeks ago. I was browsing the mysteries while Drew was checking out some CDs. While I was looking for a particular author, a woman (wasn't even sure of her gender at first) came rushing up the aisle I was in, banged into me without apologizing, and went to jump on the back of a friend. This young woman (maybe 19yo) was wearing dirty ripped sneakers, dirty torn jeans and a t-shirt with obscenities on it. She also had multiple piercings of her face and belly...which was hanging out of the shirt. Imagine my surprise a few minutes later to walk up to the register and have this same young woman checking us out. Neither her appearance nor manner would give any indication of her employment at the store.
Now don't get me wrong. I don't think that something as strict as this article mentions is good. A neat pair of clean/unripped jeans is fine in my book (for a job like that). But, in a more professional setting, I'm not sure jeans would be accepted. As with most things, it should be fitted to the situation. My mom is a librarian. She wears comfortable slacks, sneaks or walking shoes and a shirt appropriate for the season. Jeans are not allowed. But, I have yet to see any of the ladies wearing a skirt or dress. I also don't see them wearing sandals with high heels. It's impractical considering their duties.
While I have my own personal preferences about what I do and don't like to see, I don't think that those should be taken into accoount by those setting rules. What is safe, practical for the duties and neat in appearance is what should be worn....whatever that may be for a particular job.
Ann
I have mixed feelings about this one...not just in libraries, but anywhere. I believe that, when on the job, people should dress accordingly. They can dress as they like away from the job. However, these rules DO seem a bit excessive.
One example of why I think SOME sort of dress code is a must...
We were in a local Borders a few weeks ago. I was browsing the mysteries while Drew was checking out some CDs. While I was looking for a particular author, a woman (wasn't even sure of her gender at first) came rushing up the aisle I was in, banged into me without apologizing, and went to jump on the back of a friend. This young woman (maybe 19yo) was wearing dirty ripped sneakers, dirty torn jeans and a t-shirt with obscenities on it. She also had multiple piercings of her face and belly...which was hanging out of the shirt. Imagine my surprise a few minutes later to walk up to the register and have this same young woman checking us out. Neither her appearance nor manner would give any indication of her employment at the store.
Now don't get me wrong. I don't think that something as strict as this article mentions is good. A neat pair of clean/unripped jeans is fine in my book (for a job like that). But, in a more professional setting, I'm not sure jeans would be accepted. As with most things, it should be fitted to the situation. My mom is a librarian. She wears comfortable slacks, sneaks or walking shoes and a shirt appropriate for the season. Jeans are not allowed. But, I have yet to see any of the ladies wearing a skirt or dress. I also don't see them wearing sandals with high heels. It's impractical considering their duties.
While I have my own personal preferences about what I do and don't like to see, I don't think that those should be taken into accoount by those setting rules. What is safe, practical for the duties and neat in appearance is what should be worn....whatever that may be for a particular job.
Ann
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I've got some mixed feelings about this one, too. Before I joined the military, my entire wardrobe consisted of jeans and t-shirts, black or tie-dyed, depicting either hard rock bands, or fantasy images (wizards, dragons and the like.). I was always one to believe that exterior appearance was not enough to judge a person by. Once I came into the corps and started getting classes and PMEs on "appropriate civilian attire", I was ready to raise the bullsh*t flag. Just the idea that we're required to wear a belt with any pair of pants/shorts that have belt loops used to piss me off. I conformed (I didn't really have a choice. 🙄 ), but in my stubborness, I was still wearing t-shirts with some "borderline-eccentric" images on them. My personal favorite that I liked wearing is a Liquid Blue t-shirt that depicted a drawing of a face, with the head on fire, and an eyeball that had arms and legs trying to crawl out of the socket. Quite a disturbing thing for others to look at. Unfortunately, Liquid Blue removed it from their product line (I wonder why?).
After spending a lot of time in a military town, where pretty much everyone has a high-and-tight haircut and scrutinizes everyone around them for appearance discrepancies(I'm guilty of it myself!), my mindset began to change a little. It kinda sucks when you're trying to look into a major purchase, and no sales personnel are willing to take you seriously, because you're wearing an old, tie-dyed t-shirt. It wasn't a reality I was willing to accept, but that's life. We live in a world where first impressions can make or break you. After a little influence from my wife and fellow co-workers (brainwashing, change of attitude, call it what you will.), I attempted to dress a little more professionally. I've learned that not only will people take you more seriously when you dress nice, but I can also take pride in looking good. It did take a little time to get used to. I got frustrated going into a restroom to wash my hands only to find out that there were no paper towels, and I couldn't dry my hands on my pants, because I was wearing khakis instead of jeans! 😛 The compliments I received from people outweighed this little annoyance. Don't get me wrong, though, I still dress like I always have. I'll still wear my "relaxed" clothes, but that's when I'm just with my friends in a relaxed environment. If in a restaurant or business setting, I'm wearing a button-up, collared shirt, tucked into a pair of creased khakis, wearing a dress belt.
As far as the library's particular dress code, the dress/long skirt thing is ridiculous. Wasn't the dress/slacks barrier destroyed way back in the 50s/60s by Mary Tyler Moore? I don't see why they couldn't wear slacks. As far as jeans, I don't know of too many work environments that permit denim to be worn (Not even Burger King permits it for their crew.), and in the rare cases that denim is permitted, it has to be black, with no fading.
I don't know about a library, but in my job (on the rare occassions that we're permitted to wear civilian attire to work.), sandals and open-toed shoes are not permitted because of safety reasons. In a tech shop, there's a lot of heavy equipment that could be dropped on someone's foot. I guess the same logic could be used for really heavy books, or something to that extent. Other than that, I have no idea why sandals and open-toed shoes would not be permitted.
After spending a lot of time in a military town, where pretty much everyone has a high-and-tight haircut and scrutinizes everyone around them for appearance discrepancies(I'm guilty of it myself!), my mindset began to change a little. It kinda sucks when you're trying to look into a major purchase, and no sales personnel are willing to take you seriously, because you're wearing an old, tie-dyed t-shirt. It wasn't a reality I was willing to accept, but that's life. We live in a world where first impressions can make or break you. After a little influence from my wife and fellow co-workers (brainwashing, change of attitude, call it what you will.), I attempted to dress a little more professionally. I've learned that not only will people take you more seriously when you dress nice, but I can also take pride in looking good. It did take a little time to get used to. I got frustrated going into a restroom to wash my hands only to find out that there were no paper towels, and I couldn't dry my hands on my pants, because I was wearing khakis instead of jeans! 😛 The compliments I received from people outweighed this little annoyance. Don't get me wrong, though, I still dress like I always have. I'll still wear my "relaxed" clothes, but that's when I'm just with my friends in a relaxed environment. If in a restaurant or business setting, I'm wearing a button-up, collared shirt, tucked into a pair of creased khakis, wearing a dress belt.
As far as the library's particular dress code, the dress/long skirt thing is ridiculous. Wasn't the dress/slacks barrier destroyed way back in the 50s/60s by Mary Tyler Moore? I don't see why they couldn't wear slacks. As far as jeans, I don't know of too many work environments that permit denim to be worn (Not even Burger King permits it for their crew.), and in the rare cases that denim is permitted, it has to be black, with no fading.
I don't know about a library, but in my job (on the rare occassions that we're permitted to wear civilian attire to work.), sandals and open-toed shoes are not permitted because of safety reasons. In a tech shop, there's a lot of heavy equipment that could be dropped on someone's foot. I guess the same logic could be used for really heavy books, or something to that extent. Other than that, I have no idea why sandals and open-toed shoes would not be permitted.
All this to the extreme? LOL
I've always been of the thought that when you own the business, you have the right to make the rules. It's that simple. If I pay you, you will park where I tell you to park, dress how I tell you to dress and answer the phone saying exactly what I tell you to say. If you don't like it, there are a lot of other places that could use your services. AND, there are other people out there willing to do the job requested of them. You can do what you like on your off time, but when you represent someone else....you do it their way.
For example? I had hair to my waist and was told by management at a casino that I was not allowed to wear braids in my hair. So what did I do? Did I quit my job? Did I say, "Too bad." and wear them anyway? NO. I sucked it up and changed my hairstyle. That's just life.
Joby
I've always been of the thought that when you own the business, you have the right to make the rules. It's that simple. If I pay you, you will park where I tell you to park, dress how I tell you to dress and answer the phone saying exactly what I tell you to say. If you don't like it, there are a lot of other places that could use your services. AND, there are other people out there willing to do the job requested of them. You can do what you like on your off time, but when you represent someone else....you do it their way.
For example? I had hair to my waist and was told by management at a casino that I was not allowed to wear braids in my hair. So what did I do? Did I quit my job? Did I say, "Too bad." and wear them anyway? NO. I sucked it up and changed my hairstyle. That's just life.
Joby
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Blah blah blah, quack quack quack
Sometimes I think dress codes are what save us from falling totally apart in terms of manners and self-respect.
I get into it with my colleagues all the time. I think that when you walk into a classroom, you should be able to identify the teacher right away. I dress for work in a way that asserts authority and professionalism. If I want the tax-paying public to view me as a professional, I sure as hell can't run around in jeans and a t-shirt. Furthermore, I'm in a high school where the loosely-enforced dress code results in many kids dressing inappropriately (pants hanging down on the boys, behinds hanging out on the girls). Teachers and administrators should be dressing properly to show the kids what proper attire actually looks like.
Thus ends this particular rant.
Sometimes I think dress codes are what save us from falling totally apart in terms of manners and self-respect.
I get into it with my colleagues all the time. I think that when you walk into a classroom, you should be able to identify the teacher right away. I dress for work in a way that asserts authority and professionalism. If I want the tax-paying public to view me as a professional, I sure as hell can't run around in jeans and a t-shirt. Furthermore, I'm in a high school where the loosely-enforced dress code results in many kids dressing inappropriately (pants hanging down on the boys, behinds hanging out on the girls). Teachers and administrators should be dressing properly to show the kids what proper attire actually looks like.
Thus ends this particular rant.
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I don't wear open-toed shoes to school. And I don't paint my toenails for the kids to see. I do it for myself, and whomever else happens to be interested.
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You're right; one should never underestimate the power of sex appeal in the classroom. My students are on the "general" academic level. That is to say, 10th or 12th grade English is one of the last things they are interested in. Although I teach a killer class (usually involving food, standing on desks, and going outside to lay in the grass), occasionally my kids get distracted. Leaning deeply over a desk in the front row to retrieve a pen brings the boys back immediately. The girls snap to it because they know exactly what I'm doing...they snicker when they see the boys freeze.
Desperate times call for desperate measures...
sometimes "Hamlet" on a beautiful April afternoon can be a pretty desperate time for a 17-year-old.
And to the parents of teenagers: no, I'm not seducing your kids. Manipulating their attention? Absolutely. But there's no puerile interest on my part.
Desperate times call for desperate measures...
sometimes "Hamlet" on a beautiful April afternoon can be a pretty desperate time for a 17-year-old.
And to the parents of teenagers: no, I'm not seducing your kids. Manipulating their attention? Absolutely. But there's no puerile interest on my part.
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That's funny...I had an attack of radiating puissance several years ago. I thought the doctors removed it. Hm.
