A Ticklers Conscience?

[daddy]

Question for the lers, and lee's feel welcome to chime in. Is a ticklers conscience quieted by the laughter that tickling produces? Do ler's feel that if a person is laughing that they are automatically having a good time? I have known women who laugh when tickled but claim it to be the worst form of torture possible to them...almost like being whipped or abused. What do you folks think?

peace out,
daddy

 

[tklr5150]

I admit, I love the sound of laughter and despise seeing tickling where the lee is crying or screaming or generally expressing clear discomfort. On some level, I know that even though a person is laughing from it they may be feeling just as much torment as the person who is crying, the laughter does make it that much easier to swallow (for that matter, laughter alone does it for me anyway). But since I generally prefer non-torture type tickling in real life (fantasy's another matter) I don't usually feel too guilty, since I know I wouldn't want to really cross any lines.

 

[SillyMan]

I agree with tklr5150, I don't like torture tickling and n/c either. I only tickle real lees.
But there's a good point in the thread here: the laughing isn't a indikation that they really like the tickling. And the other way round: some lees scream when tickling though they claim that they like it. We only have the lee's word for hating it og liking it.

Well, and I believe it's true, that the laughter dampens the ticklers conscience.

Well, in my opinion the best way is to be a "gentleman" tickler and stop in time, not pushing too far. And respect when someone says they hate tickling.

 

[Haltickling]

IMO, there's no need for guilty feelings as long as the tickling is consensual, and if the ler pays enough attention to the lee's signals. Those signals can be a safe word, or if both know each other well enough to interpret body language right.

The lee's laughter is actually a reward for the tickler, not a conscience sedative. Cool question though, daddy! 😎

 

[sugarmouse]

i can imagine it must be nicer to tickle to the sound of laughter....but then i sometimes scream and squeal even tho im in heavan...
it must be complicated life being a ler lol..i know aot of my friends laugh like crazy when their tickled but claim they hate it...but i dont beleive them😛

 

[qjakal]

Ummm...

Conscience? I've heard of those, but when I went to work for PepsiCo a few decades ago it was surgically removed...counter productive to my position in management. Seems like a real handicap for those suffering with them though....

Q

 

[TicklishSinner]

Hmm..I dont think the ticklers conscience is quieted..I mean if you know the person really doesnt like to be tickled, then it could be a form of torment....but just because laughter is evolked from the Lee doesnt mean enjoyment for everyone..Kinda like when you get hurt the feeling of pain overwhelms you and you dont like that (even if pain is your thing some things go a lil to far) Tickling is a sensation that makes almost everyone laugh and smile and whatever, but you cant judge by that..the ler needs to listen to the person and if they do hate it..then it needs to stop..but the conscience is not quited, in my opinion...

 

[BigJim]

The reaction of the lee can be completely misleading. For instance, Toni Summers of RealTickling's Without Consent video hated it with a vengeance, but hooted with laughter all the way through.

Veronique of Frenchtickling on the other hand makes a sound akin to a tom-cat having it's scrotum forcibly torn off (complete with agonised, painful facial expression), yet loves it so much she's opened her own web-site.


Personally I like to know the lee well enough to know what sort of feelings she's having, without having to guess from confusing body-language. Of course, I've tickled girls who have hated it, but they weren't really lees. It was usually in response to some sassy remark from them and usually lasts no longer than 10 seconds. All indications are that they hated it, but it's amazing how far some of them go out of their way to provoke, knowing full well what the penalty will be. Bless their little hearts. 😉

 

[SillyMan]

Even though Toni Summers laughed, there was no doubt about her hating it from her other reactions besides the laughing. I would hate tickling someone showing of a reaction like hers!

Yes, it's strange how much females can go with sassy remarks even though they claim, that they hate tickling. And when you stop they "invite" you to start again with a new remark.

Well, human behaviour is a mystery, also the behaviour connected to tickling.

 

[BigJim]

Even though Toni Summers laughed, there was no doubt about her hating it from her other reactions besides the laughing. I would hate tickling someone showing of a reaction like hers!



Well, human behaviour is a mystery, also the behaviour connected to tickling.

It certainly is a mystery. To my mind, Toni Summers didn't come across anywhere near as "upset" as Veronique does. Toni certainly did have her flashes of anger, a dropped tear here and there and even an occasional squawk; but she smiled a hell of a lot more than Veronique ever does. It also seemed as if TS didn't mind too much at first (in the first scene anyway) but then lost patience with Priscilla when she didn't stop. That was the first tickling video I ever bought (back in 1999) and I've watched it God alone knows how many times, and I swear that the only part of the video where she shows actual distress, is in the third and last scene. (The one where she's sitting upright in the chair.) That scene reminds me more of PV's Non-Con 1 video than either of the first two. In the first two scenes she comes across as someone who hates it, but can tolerate it. In the third she seemed really distressed. Personally, I think Priss should have left it after the second scene. ( Mind you, falling for the same trick 3 times in an hour? Toni Summers certainly earned her blonde hair, didn't she? Either that or it was a set-up. lol Sorry Brian - I know you wouldn't do that.😛 )

Yes, it's strange how much females can go with sassy remarks even though they claim, that they hate tickling. And when you stop they "invite" you to start again with a new remark.

Yup, it's wonderful isn't it? It's like a kind of masochistic tendancy that is common to all ticklish females. lol There was one just like it in my old Tae Kwon Do class. Jennifer, I think her name was, and she was a 1st Dan. She just couldn't help herself. Of course, being dressed for Tae Kwon Do leaves a ticklish gal rather vulnerable, yanno? 😉

 

[ticklishbbw]

Ditto!

IMO, there's no need for guilty feelings as long as the tickling is consensual, and if the ler pays enough attention to the lee's signals. Those signals can be a safe word, or if both know each other well enough to interpret body language right.

The lee's laughter is actually a reward for the tickler, not a conscience sedative. Cool question though, daddy! 😎

I completely agree with Hal. It's safe to assume that the tickling is consensual, so unless the lee indicates things should stop (and you don't), there's no need to worry about your conscience.

tbbw

 

[Oddjob0226]

I have a little different perspective. I can play light to intense, depending on who I am with, and I am fine with non-conscent tickling (i.e., using MY definition, where the 'lee freely consents to give up conscent and the the tickling becomes quite heavy, even if it is no longer "fun" for them - It's ALWAYS a challenge after all - because the torment aspect is something that draws both our curiosity...) As far as actually kidnapping someone who is 'vanilla' off the streets, not my scene outside of fantasy. Ok, there was that one time I was in Paraguay...... but when it's on vacation it isn't cheating!

Aside from that, almost always I have played light, that is, within the limits of the 'lee, even if that meant pushing the limits a little. Part of ticking is it's challenge, it's aspect of 'seeing how much you can take'. There has to be a balance, a good 'ler MUST be able to read a 'lee as well as humanly possible and know when to provide a break or quit. Always discuss first, talk about what might happen and how far it shoud go. If the tickling is spontaneous and unplanned, always err on the side of caution. Be aware that with tickling "stop" doesn't always mean stop - but be cogniscent of the moment that it does indeed mean STOP. It's less about conscience and more about trust. And even about legality, how to avoid getting arrested or sued. Just be aware of the balance.

 

[daddy]

All indications are that they hated it, but it's amazing how far some of them go out of their way to provoke, knowing full well what the penalty will be. Bless their little hearts. 😉

Now that is funny BigJim...LOL

peace out,
daddy

 

[sugarmouse]

All indications are that they hated it, but it's amazing how far some of them go out of their way to provoke, knowing full well what the penalty will be. Bless their little hearts. 😉


lol !!!!personaly i cn thelp it..then i regret it wen i c wrigglin fingers comin towards me...and by then its far toolate!!!😛

 

[Ayla ny]

very cool question! I think you are kind of on to something with this train of thought. there really are people who honestly hate it. and they should be left alone. but for those of us with this whole love/hate thing going on... the laughter and the playful aspect really kind of free you up. for both sides really.

 

[AffectionateDan]

Conscience? Hmmm! Conscience. Ya know, I know I should recognize that word...

...but somehow, I'm drawing a blank! 🙄

Seriously, though, while there's enjoyment to be found in every facet of tickling, which we all seems to agree runs the spectrum between innocent horseplay and erotic foreplay, I find that the greatest joy is when it's mutually enjoyed. I spent too many years believing that I was some kind of deviant, ashamed of it and hiding my "deep dark secret", not to be jubilant to discover that not only was I NOT the only one, but that there are actually gals out there who love BEING tickled as much as I love tickling them! What a gift! But respecting your play partner's limits is a given, in that joy, knowing that the trust will never be violated. I could go on and on and on, but I think I'd just rather tickle somebody....

"C'mere, you!"

 

[BigJim]

lol !!!!personaly i cn thelp it..then i regret it wen i c wrigglin fingers comin towards me...and by then its far toolate!!!😛

LOL This is a sickness for which I sincerely hope the medical profession never find a cure!

The inability of ticklish females to not drop themselves in the shite. 😀

 

[natural tickler]

I think the only way a tickler can have anything on his/her conscience is when it goes too far and someone gets hurt, or when its non-consensual, and someone gets hurt😀

 

[TickledToDeath]

I have never regretted tickling anyone and never will.
I find that it is better to tickle and find out later it is/was hated than to not have tickled and found out later that it would have been welcomed and loved.


TTD😉

 

[AffectionateDan]

Isn't that from Shakespeare?

I have never regretted tickling anyone and never will.
I find that it is better to tickle and find out later it is/was hated than to not have tickled and found out later that it would have been welcomed and loved.

From "A Midsummer Night's Tickle"? LoL 🙄

"Tis better to have tickled and lost, than to have never tickled at all" 😉

 

[steph]

Ok, this thread is cracking me up you guys...You know what TOTALLY freaks me out--the people that cry, wet themselves, throw up, pass out and say they LIKE being tickled to that point. Any of you sickos out there wanna enlighten me? Cause this one has me totally baffled! If that was my reaction, I'd pay people NOT to tickle me, ya know?? Good Lord! I love it because it feels sooooo good....

 

[Oddjob0226]

Ok, this thread is cracking me up you guys...You know what TOTALLY freaks me out--the people that cry, wet themselves, throw up, pass out and say they LIKE being tickled to that point. Any of you sickos out there wanna enlighten me? Cause this one has me totally baffled! If that was my reaction, I'd pay people NOT to tickle me, ya know?? Good Lord! I love it because it feels sooooo good....

Never seen a thow-up thread posted here, but... as far as the other stuff, it's a combintaion of the journey getting there (not the end result) and stimulation.

The journey - to some, it's like a personal challenge, seeing how much one can take, and seeing what one's limits are. Also, it's part of a masochistic fantasy. You can't really be imprisoned & tortured, but to be taken to "the breaking point" consentingly - to look at it & experience it, even if it is a little ugly - and doing it with someone you trust, someone who would care for you if things went too far... that's an appeal. Plus, there's a major adreneline and endorphin high when it's over....


Stimulation - I am convinced S&M people are sensulists. Physical stimulation is what they get into, whether whipping, tickling or whatever is in between. Stimilating nerve endings which in turn stimulate the brains, causing reaction is a manipulation of the senses of the body; it creates a chemical chain reaction, so what one is experiencing is whether it's pain or pleasure doesn't matter, since they both end in the same result. And to wrap it all up in a fantasy gives it something more

But really, most pople are't into that extent of tickling, which is why you hardly ever see anything about it outside of fantasy.

 

[terorizer]

Question for the lers, and lee's feel welcome to chime in. Is a ticklers conscience quieted by the laughter that tickling produces? Do ler's feel that if a person is laughing that they are automatically having a good time?
daddy

Absolutely not!! I have not tickled on countless occasions, because I don't much care for the thought of causing someone displeasure, but the thought me causing displeasure FROM tickling is almost enough to make me physically ill. 99.9% of the time I HAVE to know the tickling is welcomed.

 

[njjen3953]

I have known women who laugh when tickled but claim it to be the worst form of torture possible to them...almost like being whipped or abused.

And that's bad, why?

 

[tman1865]

When I tickle someone I don't have a concience, and if I do, it's definitely a .

However, I should say that's my goal, cause it may not always be the case. My last Girlfriend I dumped cause she grunted when I tickled her, like I was beating her with a club or something. Maybe I felt bad for her.

But my first girlfriend HATED! being tickled, and I LOVED! tickling her. She had a phenominal laff, and beg and plead, and moan, .... I could and would tickle her for HOURS! *gets dreamy eyed for a moment* I was definitely possessed by the with her. 😀



In fact, I'm a little worried right now. I'm not sure where concience plays into tickling. I recently tickled a person who had a tickling fetish and it did nothing for me, though they didn't seem very ticklish, and I wasn't attracted to them.

On the contrary, the idea of tickling women who are extremely ticklish and don't have a tickling fetish ... WOW! That IS my definition of heaven.

I still have so much more to learn ... *sigh*, any female volunteers willing to help?😀


Point of Clarification - I AM a (the Dean can verify this), but I also belive in integrity. So when we agree on a type or level of tickling, I'm all behind it, but if I'm left to my nature, I'll tickle you to the absolute limits of sanity. 🙂