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A Treatise on Self-Righteous Nonsense

Laugh&Beg

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So it turns out that the participants in this forum, like any other group of individuals gathered for a common purpose, approach their subject matter from different angles and different depths. This shouldn't surprise anybody- it's human nature.

What is surprising is how few people seem capable of stomaching it. For those who would like to stop reading at this point, let me be clear: this is a rant. There will also be a lot of comparisons between tickling and sex.

Not long ago, I saw a post about how to get a girl to let the poster tickle her. The result was overwhelmingly "why don't you try respecting her" and other such commentary, as well as a barrage of personal attacks of varying eloquence. People, not every tickle-fetishist wants to have a lifelong relationship with a dear friend who is also into tickling and meet on level ground, just like not every guy goes to a bar looking for a girl to take to church and meet his parents so they can get married and have 2.5 kids... it can just be about tickling, just like it can just be about sex- and at least in this country, no matter how morally indefensible you happen to find that pastime (in either case), it's not wrong. He didn't ask, "How can I be judged as morally deviant by a populace that participates in a fetish generally considered outside the mainstream practices of intimacy". He was trying to find a girl to tickle and wanted advice.

FM Concepts just posted a request for feedback on their clips and is considering no longer releasing their contents here. FM Concepts, are you effing kidding me? Personal attacks are par for the course when the subject is personal, which a fetish is (deeply) to many people. Keep doing what you are doing because it obviously works, and by the way your Dita Von Teese work is an all-time favorite of mine. To the "thread-flamers," grow up. FM Concepts produces a soft-core tickling product for a particular audience. If you want the more intense stuff, hit up Tickle Abuse. Want some sex mixed in? Tickle Torture has good stuff in that arena. It's all out there- domestic, foreign, nude, dressed... go get the stuff you want to see and leave producers to make the stuff they want to make- the profits will demonstrate the approval level.

The perennial posts about "Which female member of the TMF would you like to tie up and which male member would you give a feather to" are another shining example of a sincere lack of common sense. Poster(s): Most of the women on this site are not tickle-hungry nymphomaniacs dying to be left at the mercy of a near-stranger... and the ones who enjoy it as a fantasy in the dark corners of their imaginations don't generally want it in practical reality. You can post what you like, but be aware that it will bring judgment and poor reaction from the vocal majority. To the vocal majority: tickling is sexual for many people. Some of the sexiest women I have ever had the privilege of laying eyes on are regular posters of this forum, and like many males between 14 and 85 I have entertained fantasies about some of them. For some guys (and girls), that kind of voyeuristic vicarious approach is as close as they will ever get to the 'beautiful people' and while you may find it distasteful and which they demonstrated more eloquence or restraint in their commentary, understand their position and reveal the strength of character and class that you wish they had. What I see instead is one overzealous fetishist starting a thread and a few dozen snarky, self-righteous or cruelly sarcastic posters replying one after another.

To the Sanctum Sanctorum, the inner circle of the TMF: You are not unique and beautiful snowflakes. I know that some of you have been on the site since it stood up. Others have earned their reputation from attending NEST, or posting thousands of threads and replies, or by being part of the mystical minority that is 'beautiful women'... you are no better, no more moral, and no more fit to make anyone feel unwelcome than the first-time poster that found this site by accident. Your contributions to TMF are remarkable and are the backbone of this amazing site, but when you post some of the things you have posted (you know who you are) you bring discredit to the forum, the fetish, and yourselves. I have been involved in one way or another since the days when Realtickling was a series of blue hyperlinks to 45 second videos, before the "lifetime" membership... 1998? 1999? If I had found this Community the way it is today, I am not sure I would have gotten the enjoyment, comfort, or satisfaction from my fetish that I have... and that is a sad thought.

No one expects this to be Utopia. If you did, you have been asleep at the wheel. Adult conduct and responsible interaction is not unreasonable to expect. Moderators- effing moderate. I will be the last to support censorship, but if a reply doesn't have anything to do with the thread- delete it.

I don't expect many responses to this post and in all likelihood it will fade into obscurity in a matter of days- if you don't like it, I genuinely do not care. I am trying to put a message out to the people addressed in this self-proclaimed rant... if it bothers you or gets you worked up... I am probably talking about you. If you are part of the reason that lurkers remain lurkers, or make others feel uncomfortable about tickling (moreso than many do, as I did when I was first growing into my fetish), then shame on you.
 
I think the reason nobody replied is because nobody likes sanctimony. Especially not if it is text-wall sanctimony.

So it turns out that the participants in this forum, like any other group of individuals gathered for a common purpose, approach their subject matter from different angles and different depths. This shouldn't surprise anybody- it's human nature.

What is surprising is how few people seem capable of stomaching it. For those who would like to stop reading at this point, let me be clear: this is a rant. There will also be a lot of comparisons between tickling and sex.

Not long ago, I saw a post about how to get a girl to let the poster tickle her. The result was overwhelmingly "why don't you try respecting her" and other such commentary, as well as a barrage of personal attacks of varying eloquence. People, not every tickle-fetishist wants to have a lifelong relationship with a dear friend who is also into tickling and meet on level ground, just like not every guy goes to a bar looking for a girl to take to church and meet his parents so they can get married and have 2.5 kids... it can just be about tickling, just like it can just be about sex- and at least in this country, no matter how morally indefensible you happen to find that pastime (in either case), it's not wrong. He didn't ask, "How can I be judged as morally deviant by a populace that participates in a fetish generally considered outside the mainstream practices of intimacy". He was trying to find a girl to tickle and wanted advice.

FM Concepts just posted a request for feedback on their clips and is considering no longer releasing their contents here. FM Concepts, are you effing kidding me? Personal attacks are par for the course when the subject is personal, which a fetish is (deeply) to many people. Keep doing what you are doing because it obviously works, and by the way your Dita Von Teese work is an all-time favorite of mine. To the "thread-flamers," grow up. FM Concepts produces a soft-core tickling product for a particular audience. If you want the more intense stuff, hit up Tickle Abuse. Want some sex mixed in? Tickle Torture has good stuff in that arena. It's all out there- domestic, foreign, nude, dressed... go get the stuff you want to see and leave producers to make the stuff they want to make- the profits will demonstrate the approval level.

The perennial posts about "Which female member of the TMF would you like to tie up and which male member would you give a feather to" are another shining example of a sincere lack of common sense. Poster(s): Most of the women on this site are not tickle-hungry nymphomaniacs dying to be left at the mercy of a near-stranger... and the ones who enjoy it as a fantasy in the dark corners of their imaginations don't generally want it in practical reality. You can post what you like, but be aware that it will bring judgment and poor reaction from the vocal majority. To the vocal majority: tickling is sexual for many people. Some of the sexiest women I have ever had the privilege of laying eyes on are regular posters of this forum, and like many males between 14 and 85 I have entertained fantasies about some of them. For some guys (and girls), that kind of voyeuristic vicarious approach is as close as they will ever get to the 'beautiful people' and while you may find it distasteful and which they demonstrated more eloquence or restraint in their commentary, understand their position and reveal the strength of character and class that you wish they had. What I see instead is one overzealous fetishist starting a thread and a few dozen snarky, self-righteous or cruelly sarcastic posters replying one after another.

To the Sanctum Sanctorum, the inner circle of the TMF: You are not unique and beautiful snowflakes. I know that some of you have been on the site since it stood up. Others have earned their reputation from attending NEST, or posting thousands of threads and replies, or by being part of the mystical minority that is 'beautiful women'... you are no better, no more moral, and no more fit to make anyone feel unwelcome than the first-time poster that found this site by accident. Your contributions to TMF are remarkable and are the backbone of this amazing site, but when you post some of the things you have posted (you know who you are) you bring discredit to the forum, the fetish, and yourselves. I have been involved in one way or another since the days when Realtickling was a series of blue hyperlinks to 45 second videos, before the "lifetime" membership... 1998? 1999? If I had found this Community the way it is today, I am not sure I would have gotten the enjoyment, comfort, or satisfaction from my fetish that I have... and that is a sad thought.

No one expects this to be Utopia. If you did, you have been asleep at the wheel. Adult conduct and responsible interaction is not unreasonable to expect. Moderators- effing moderate. I will be the last to support censorship, but if a reply doesn't have anything to do with the thread- delete it.

I don't expect many responses to this post and in all likelihood it will fade into obscurity in a matter of days- if you don't like it, I genuinely do not care. I am trying to put a message out to the people addressed in this self-proclaimed rant... if it bothers you or gets you worked up... I am probably talking about you. If you are part of the reason that lurkers remain lurkers, or make others feel uncomfortable about tickling (moreso than many do, as I did when I was first growing into my fetish), then shame on you.

tl;dr:

"You are self-righteous; here are examples of your self-righteousness, and here are my self-righteous opinions on why you're all bastards. I know you won't reply so I win by default".
 
I think the reason nobody replied is because nobody likes sanctimony. Especially not if it is text-wall sanctimony.



tl;dr:

"You are self-righteous; here are examples of your self-righteousness, and here are my self-righteous opinions on why you're all bastards. I know you won't reply so I win by default".

Exactly.

This whole block of text is basically just you describing what and who you hate about the TMF. :shrug:
 
You said, and I quote: "if it bothers you or gets you worked up... I am probably talking about you. If you are part of the reason that lurkers remain lurkers, or make others feel uncomfortable about tickling (moreso than many do, as I did when I was first growing into my fetish), then shame on you."
"OK. Let me start by saying this. I lurked for awhile. Not one thing that I saw here at "ANY" time made me feel uncomfortable about my love for the world of tickling. As in life, there is always someone who has to start something. What I enjoy here is the fact that we can be open. I love this place. It is a way to enjoy something outside of my everyday life. The reason it took me so long to become active is simply that I can be very shy. Period. I was not going to respond to this at all. I just felt moved to reply.
 
I liked it a lot. I think this "rant" is an accurate description of the TMF as a whole. We have become spoiled as a community by this site we have, and some of us have come to believe we are more special than the community as a whole. This is not the case. I almost wish we could go back to the days before TMF, so people would appreciate everything we have now that we didn't back then. It's amazing to me how a group of misfits can still form it's own "popular" clique to the exclusion of the rest of us "nerds."
 
I liked it a lot. I think this "rant" is an accurate description of the TMF as a whole. We have become spoiled as a community by this site we have, and some of us have come to believe we are more special than the community as a whole. This is not the case. I almost wish we could go back to the days before TMF, so people would appreciate everything we have now that we didn't back then. It's amazing to me how a group of misfits can still form it's own "popular" clique to the exclusion of the rest of us "nerds."

Whaaa? :banghead:
How you interact on the forum is YOUR own choice.
This clique BS goes way out of hand.
What / who has stopped you from being you and who has not accepted you for who you are?
Where do you feel you are being put into a group or either "popular" or "nerd" here?
I'm curious.
 
Whaaa? :banghead:
How you interact on the forum is YOUR own choice.
This clique BS goes way out of hand.
What / who has stopped you from being you and who has not accepted you for who you are?
Where do you feel you are being put into a group or either "popular" or "nerd" here?
I'm curious.

This. :sowrong:
 
There needs to be a prom for this to explode into some sort of a dramatic love triangle. I've enclosed Saint Elmo's fire theme to move this into the musical genre. Don't worry... I broke the link so youtube won't take it down. I want to play Emilio Estavez.

http://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=8d9thIPddFw&feature=related
 
I'm pretty sure that people who lurk decide to do so of their own volition, and while the fear of being shot down by regular posters might feel very real, the testimony of the many delurkers that show up here would strongly argue against it.
 
I appreciated everything you had to say until you headed into this territory:


To the Sanctum Sanctorum, the inner circle of the TMF: You are not unique and beautiful snowflakes. I know that some of you have been on the site since it stood up. Others have earned their reputation from attending NEST, or posting thousands of threads and replies, or by being part of the mystical minority that is 'beautiful women'... you are no better, no more moral, and no more fit to make anyone feel unwelcome than the first-time poster that found this site by accident. Your contributions to TMF are remarkable and are the backbone of this amazing site, but when you post some of the things you have posted (you know who you are) you bring discredit to the forum, the fetish, and yourselves.

And because it clearly needs to be resurrected again, I will post this as my rebuttal:



Taken From This Thread.
Myriads said:
Second; Cliques. People keep talking about them as if they are some all powerful force that somehow grabs hold of new members and keeps them away from the good stuff.

Ok, I know that there are groups of friends that watch each others backs here. And casual groups that flirt and play. But I've yet to see a person fail to 'progress' in the community because some group targeted them.

I've seen members self destruct, I've seen members do dumb things and get on a lot of peoples bad sides, I've seen members THINK that there is someone out to get them, then the only person getting them is the ghost in thier own head. These are all ways that members fail to progress in the community. But all of them share the same issue. The person is the agent of their own failure.

But I've never seen the Tickling Illuminati point a bony finger at some noob member and say "They shall forever wander, never to find a lee or ler! SO BE IT!" *lightning crashes* Almost every member with any level of social skills who has spent time and energy working to MEET people in the community here has had some success, and seems to have found a place in the community here. It may not be the place they first envisioned, but it is a place where they are know and do interect.

I DO see many who feel there is some instant entrance into tickling nirvana that comes with clicking the accept button on the forums membership page, and when they don't see results in the first day, first week, or even month, they sour and seem to think that 'someone' is blocking them.

Here is a fact, on the TMF, like any community people are not going to warm up to strangers in seconds. It takes time to build a personality here like it does anyplace. Until people start to get a feel for the sort of person you are behind the contents of any given post, they are not going to connect with you strongly. It takes time and work. Like much in life of value, it's not free.



I don't expect many responses to this post and in all likelihood it will fade into obscurity in a matter of days- if you don't like it, I genuinely do not care.

....

Laugh&Beg said:
49 views and not a remark- point made.

Clearly you're looking for something..?
 
The hypocrisy in OP's post is so thick that I'm happier assuming this thread was started as an ironic joke.
 
Bollocks! I lerked for years until i joined in. Ive been here what 3 weeks now? and i bet people would recognize me at a meet! Man up and join in!
 
Every response to mine has only served to further illustrate my point. All I did was point out that there is a dominant inner circle of friends and "cool kids" on the forum, and everyone that took issue with what I said, for the most part, is a member of said group. I am not disparaging anyone, or begrudging anyone their friendship, but it does seem like semi-lurkers like myself are ignored/pushed to the side by the vocal minority of the cliques. I deactivated my first two accounts here before this one, purely because my posts were ignored by the inner circle in favor of posts made by other members of the inner circle.
 
Every response to mine has only served to further illustrate my point. All I did was point out that there is a dominant inner circle of friends and "cool kids" on the forum, and everyone that took issue with what I said, for the most part, is a member of said group.

Are you sure that it's not just you assuming that anyone who disagrees with you is in the Clique? 😉
 
Every response to mine has only served to further illustrate my point. All I did was point out that there is a dominant inner circle of friends and "cool kids" on the forum, and everyone that took issue with what I said, for the most part, is a member of said group. I am not disparaging anyone, or begrudging anyone their friendship, but it does seem like semi-lurkers like myself are ignored/pushed to the side by the vocal minority of the cliques. I deactivated my first two accounts here before this one, purely because my posts were ignored by the inner circle in favor of posts made by other members of the inner circle.

How do expect people to get to know you if you keep deactivating your accounts?

The people in this 'clique' are of every age, color and creed, male and female, of every size and shape imaginable. Just what is it that those people are doing that you aren't, in your opinion, and what prevents you from doing those same things?
 
Cute trick Artoo but Ad Hoc arguments are seldom successful. Bella, I know the people in the vocal minority are varied, but this is the internet, everyone can be anyone they want to be. So, that point is basically irrelevant. The cliquers do many things differently than me. They are more social, spend more time in general discussions, probably attend gatherings and munches. I can't go to gatherings, and I don't spend much time in general, so that sets me apart. However, none of these differences matter to my original point, which no one has yet to address. My premises were thus: that there exists a group that is clique-ish in nature, and, that that group sometimes behaves in a manner that is exclusionary to non-members of said group. No one seems to be able to refute this, in fact, your arguments only affirm it. I don't want to be a part of the "inner circle," I just don't want to be trampled over by them either.
 
Cute trick Artoo but Ad Hoc arguments are seldom successful.

Agreed, but it was hardly an ad-hoc argument.

Bella, I know the people in the vocal minority are varied, but this is the internet, everyone can be anyone they want to be. So, that point is basically irrelevant. The cliquers do many things differently than me. They are more social, spend more time in general discussions, probably attend gatherings and munches. I can't go to gatherings, and I don't spend much time in general, so that sets me apart. However, none of these differences matter to my original point, which no one has yet to address. My premises were thus: that there exists a group that is clique-ish in nature, and, that that group sometimes behaves in a manner that is exclusionary to non-members of said group. No one seems to be able to refute this, in fact, your arguments only affirm it. I don't want to be a part of the "inner circle," I just don't want to be trampled over by them either.

So, you're "rights" as a forum user are being trampled on by those people who choose to participate in a different way to you? Gotcha.

it's a conspiracy I tell ye!
 
You choose not to involve yourself, Tidas. You just said it yourself in outlining the areas where you spend most of your time.

That's not my problem, or anyone elses. YOU choose your involvement. No one seems to be smiting you for spending most of your time in A/v, are they? Yet you reach out and lash at people who spend more time in areas that you don't?

The people that seem the most tiffed about a clique are those who seem to predominantly spend time in A/v. Now, shit, if there's any kinda clique, it's the A/v folks. =P

But seriously, where's your concrete evidence that there's a clique, one and two, how it's completely impeding on your time downloading, watching and commenting on work done here, if there is one?
 
I think people can choose whether to get involved or not to get involved. Whether there is a clique or not, ultimately one's level of involvement falls upon one self. People shouldn't be judgmental of others, specially in a forum like this, but it will happen.
 
Bella, I know the people in the vocal minority are varied, but this is the internet, everyone can be anyone they want to be. So, that point is basically irrelevant. The cliquers do many things differently than me. They are more social, spend more time in general discussions, probably attend gatherings and munches. I can't go to gatherings, and I don't spend much time in general, so that sets me apart. However, none of these differences matter to my original point, which no one has yet to address. My premises were thus: that there exists a group that is clique-ish in nature, and, that that group sometimes behaves in a manner that is exclusionary to non-members of said group. No one seems to be able to refute this, in fact, your arguments only affirm it. I don't want to be a part of the "inner circle," I just don't want to be trampled over by them either.


My point was absolutely not irrelevant, in fact you've given it strength. You're absolutely right:
this is the internet, everyone can be anyone they want to be.
And if someone chooses to be less vocal and feels ignored because of it, that's hardly the fault of those who take the time to be more vocal and participatory. As for your premises, I'll refute them right now. How can a group that welcomes everyone here to gatherings, munches, chat conversations and threads be considered exclusionary? Heck, we have people accused of being in the Clique who live in other countries and have yet to meet anyone, they're loved and popular based soley on their posting. How is it that they haven't been 'trampled'? Could it be that they post often, and know how to be interesting and engaging in their posts, and wonder of wonders: people want to respond to them?

I will never say that there isn't a group of close friends on this forum, of course there is. And if you have no wish to be part of that group that's fine. But to say that those friends are exclusionary simply because you haven't really taken the time to make yourself known and to befriend them is a bit much, that's all. That ball is in your court and no one else's.
 
So, you're "rights" as a forum user are being trampled on by those people who choose to participate in a different way to you? Gotcha.

it's a conspiracy I tell ye!

Nowhere in any post that I have made have I said the word "rights" in any form. I don't care how you use the forum, I just am noting that there are those who exclude others here. Simple as that.
 
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