and you thought you were having a bad day...

[sole seeker]

Steph - your original post was just awful, as were the follow-up stories of specific individuals.

I was impressed with your recent post about the general issue of suicide. You're right, it's not black and white.

I've had a lot to do with suicide intervention/investigation. Over the years I've thought a lot about the why and I've come to the conclusion that all of them had one thing in common - the person lost hope.

One of the best things about having faith in God is that it forms a basis for hope. (Not to say that those with faith never lose hope.) So I try very hard to never say anything that may take away a person's hope. I don't want some off-hand flippant comment of mine to be the final straw.

 

[tulipangel]

Me and Steph wouldnt fight! We wuv each other lol!
I just feel a little different then she does! She feels bad for stupid people and I dont lol!

 

[TicklishLurker]

Me and Steph wouldnt fight! We wuv each other lol!
I just feel a little different then she does! She feels bad for stupid people and I dont lol!

It's not stupidity, it's desperation. Longing for an end to the pain and perhaps a fresh start in the next life.

And no, people, I'm not fighting with Tulip. It's just that I've been there and I know how it feels that things will never get better. That the only way to get the pain, the depression, the desperation to end is to end your own life.

 

[kis123]

Calling people with a true death wish "stupid" and "morons" completely ignores the core issue. Someone lost the will to live-and that's what the bottom line is to me. Someone decided to lie down on train tracks and ALLOW train to run over her? I can't see a sure-fire way to check oneself outta here better than that. As many times as I've been depressed and even suicidal at one time, I have never thought about lying down in front of train tracks to take myself out. For those with the "if you're going to kill yourself, just do it already" mentality, I think she did just that. How she lived behind anything of that magnitude just boggles my mind.

Suicide is not a frivilous decision as some had accused. It's usually taken years to conclude, accept, plan, and execute (for lack of a better term). This person sounds like she had nowhere else to go and death was better than living in pain.

Depression is looked on in society as something cut-and-dry, black-and-white, take a pill, get some counseling, and everything will be just fine. Sometimes it's just not that way. When a person gets deep in a depression and goes into a suicidal state, they introvert to a place they can't always get out. If they truly have no support system in place to help them through, where do you suppose they get the resolve to live another day in a bottomless pit of pain? If they don't have insurance or money to pay for help, how do they get the help. When they've run out of the ability to lift themselves out of bed to do anything past going to the bathroom, how are they supposed to pull themselves by the bootstraps and get help for themselves?

As Steph already wrote, it's not as clear-cut as some have made it. Depression runs rampant in my family. No one is suicidal but the potential is there to change at any minute. It's a battle that can either be won or can overtake the person before they know what hit them.

 

[tulipangel]

It's not stupidity, it's desperation. Longing for an end to the pain and perhaps a fresh start in the next life.

And no, people, I'm not fighting with Tulip. It's just that I've been there and I know how it feels that things will never get better. That the only way to get the pain, the depression, the desperation to end is to end your own life.

Ok, I been there! Young and STUPID and felt the world had nothing to offer me after I lost my baby! So i know first hand and it was a learned behavior! K? So not only have i seen it go on my whole life but i tried it and FAILED! So now i know that if you try to kill yourself its not only a sign of weakness but its stupid and if someone really wants to be dead they will DIE! Now, im not posting in here anymore!

 

[Illtcklu]

Okay. No one on here can truly say they know the pain other members here have experienced.

Tulip and Steph are saying the same thing from two different points of view. IMHO.

Suicide is about pain. It is a sensitive topic. It's not only the pain the suicide victim is suffering but also the pain and suffering that it causes their loved ones!

Steph is looking at it from the point of view of the healer. She knows there is nothing she can do for this person, and that tears her up. She needed to talk about it, and get it off her chest. IMHO.

Tulip..............lord knows how many times you have been through this. The way it changes the lifesyles of you and your family members. Catering to it, to the point of resentment. That is not fair. That is I believe what you are saying....................and for all intents and purposes you are right. This is not to say she does not care for the person who is suffering, she does, and would be sadened by their loss. IMHO.

So as I see it.............................. you both are saying suicide isn't the answer! IMHO.

 

[steph]

good call!

On this I think we can all agree friends.

I do apologize if I've upset any of you by sharing my stories (so not my intention) and I appreciate everyone who contributed to this thread and who showed me so much love when I felt so sad...We are a strange species, aren't we? Animals act 100% on instinct, humans are so much more complex. If we all agreed on everything we'd be androids, yes? 😛

XOXO

So as I see it.............................. you both are saying suicide isn't the answer! IMHO.

 

[steph]

Ok~new visual breakthrough that may help illustrate...

I wonder where Frankie featherfingers is~he always finds these things for me!

Try to see the video for Blue October's "Hate Me." As I understand it, it's a musical apology and tribute to the lead singer's deceased mother, apparently the only person to stand by his side as he fought drug addiction & suicidal thoughts. Forget what the guy looks like~the song and video is as amazing as it is heartbreaking....

XOXO

 

[Illtcklu]

. If we all agreed on everything we'd be androids, yes? 😛

XOXO

I agree Steph............................excuse me I have to go reboot now!!!! -lol

 

[steph]

You silly!

I agree Steph............................excuse me I have to go reboot now!!!! -lol