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Animals and tickling...

ikaiyoo

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OK this post is kind of a rant. Please bear with me.

I just listened to a discussion about the use of animal in tickling videos. During this conversation I listened to I understood and respected the opinions of the parties in respect to their distaste and their non belief in if it tickles or not.

The parties went on to talk about how this is considered bestiality. And though I disagreed with their thoughts and opinions on the validity of using animals as , for lack of better word, "tickling tools". I found them defining using animals for tickling bestiality as one of the more extreme broad definitions of a term I have heard in a very long time.

To say that dogs, cats, whatever licking the feet, tummy, armpit of a person as bestiality is like saying the fact that you enjoy watching a guy tickle a girl is a form of homo-eroticism if you are a guy. Or saying that the scenario of watching a woman kidnapped or "chloroformed" and then tied up and tickled as a form of satisfying your urge to rape someone. Or spanking is attempted murder.


Using an animal as a tool for tickling is not bestiality. Unless the animal is licking and tickling the genitalia of the person. Then it is because that is sexual relations with the animal.

The reason people use animals for tickling is that if you can get it right the animal will lick without regard to the pleas or noises of the person being tickled. It is a form of tickle torture. The theory (though the animal rarely licks for that long of a period of time in all reality) is that a person would eventually show compassion and after a period of time lessen or stop the tickling. Where an animal doesn't care it wants whatever food substance is coated on the part of the body of the ticklee and will lick until it is gone, and sometimes longer.

I have had the privilege of using both dogs and cats in play sessions with people in the past and i can attest that the people I was playing with were very receptive to the tickling. I have also known women who let their pets lick their feet because it does tickle and they did not have anyone that tickles them on a regular basis. I know of one woman whom i have known for many years who went as far as to train her lab to lick her feet on command and would lick for a while regardless if anything is on her feet. And it drove her crazy and tickled her immensely.

That being said. What do you think? Do you think I am off base with my strong objection to the classification of using an animal as a "tool" for tickling as Zoophilia? Do you think it is gross or sick to do so? Do you think that the tickling that people see from animal licking someones feet in a fetish film as being staged or fake?
 
Nah - I agree with you. Using a toothbrush to tickle someone doesn't mean you have an dental fetish or you're getting off on the use of the tool. It's just a tool.
 
IN my opinion, it depends on the person.. Like for me, since I can predict, because I'm obsessed with learning about animals, exactly where their toungue will be by the position of everything else, it doesn't tickle. Also, if you are aroused at the thought of an animal tickling someone or whatever, who am I to judge? People get aroused from far more stranger things than that. I don't know, maybe (hypothetically) someone has a bread fetish and can't eat sandwoches because they get really excited. I don't care one way or another. But that's just my opinion.
 
I, personally don't care about being 'tickled' by an animal at all.
As long as an animal isn't forced to do anything it wouldn't do naturally, I won't judge what other people are doing though.
 
I don't really see any issue with using an animal as a "tool" of sorts.

I might take issue with this though. 😉

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Hey, each to their own and all that, and what people get up to behind closed doors is completely fine by me, but personally, i think using animals in any kind of fetish video is a bit nasty. Now i know i dont have to watch that particular video, and i dont, but seen as i relate tickling with sex, because it is the way i am programmed, the last thing i want to see is an animal getting involved, and that has nothing to do with my veiws on bestiality, i just think its a bit wrong.
 
Whatever floats your boat.

I will say that until a major college or university allows a cite from Wikipedia for research papers it is about as credible an information source as a booger for anything right or wrong...
 
That being said. What do you think? Do you think I am off base with my strong objection to the classification of using an animal as a "tool" for tickling as Zoophilia? Do you think it is gross or sick to do so? Do you think that the tickling that people see from animal licking someones feet in a fetish film as being staged or fake?

No, I don't think you're off base at all. However, the folks in disagreement with your opinion might not be off base in their own opinions either. In MY opinion, it only becomes beastiality when sex is occuring.

I don't think it's offensive or disgusting, but it's not something that I'm interested in watching or taking part in.

As far as it being fake in films and what not; well, that can be heavily debated along the same vein as whether or not model's are showing genuine reaction to being tickled. And as far as that goes, if the model's ticklish, then it's going to be hard to fake a response.
 
In getting turned on by watching a guy tickle a girl, if you're a straight guy you're getting off on the girl's reactions, so that's not homo-eroticism at all. A lot of videos feature male lers but concentrate on the 'lee.

Using an animal to tickle a person is just fuckin' weird and unnatural. If that situation were similar to the one you used in your comparison, the reactions would be what mattered, thus not needing the animal at all.

I compare it to bestiality because even though the person is not having sex with the animal, it's being used to tickle and thus, cause arousal.
 
I don't even like people licking my feet .. let alone an animal! haha
but its whateverrr!



:beathorse: okay what is this smiley icon? lol
 
:beathorse: okay what is this smiley icon? lol

I believe that’s the “beating a dead horse,” smiley.

As for the topic at hand, I’ve never personally had a problem with the ideas of animals being used as tickle tools. In fact, I think there should be more videos produced that contain them.

My basic reasoning is this. Bestiality is having sex with an animal. Having sex with an animal is wrong. The animal isn’t consenting, so it’s basically rape. Forcing an animal to do something violently against its nature is always wrong, and forcing to have sex with a human falls into that category. Letting an animal lick some tasty grease, milk, or what have you off some poor girl’s feet is not. No more than when I let my dog to eat a piece of food that fell on the floor.

I honestly don’t think anyone watching a video or looking at a tickling image or reading a story that features an animal as a tickler is going, “Damn, that critter is hot.” Seriously. I don’t. I know my typical reaction is, “Dang, that tongues got to tickle like hell,” or “that dog isn’t going to stop just because that poor girl is begging it too.” People who fantasize about having sex with animals are probably either watching their own version of porn or the Animal Planet.

Face facts people. No matter what is produced, someone out there is having a vastly different reaction to it than what was intended. How many mainstream movies are famous in our community because they contained a tickling scene, which no one else really paid attention to but us? Somewhere, someone right now is probably watching a tickling video and going, “Dang, that is some seriously sexy rope.”
 

OK I honestly laughed at the fact you are sighting wikipedia as a reference of fact.

but if you want to use it lets go for it... so using an animal to tickle someone is zoophilia because....

"Zoophilia can refer to sexual activity with animals (bestiality), the desire to do so, or to the paraphilia of the same name which requires a definite preference for animals over humans as sexual partners."

or...

Masters (1962) uses the term "bestialist" specifically in his discussion of zoosadism, which refers to deriving sexual pleasure from cruelty to animals. Stephanie LaFarge, an assistant professor of psychiatry at the New Jersey Medical School, and Director of Counseling at the ASPCA, writes that two groups can be distinguished: bestialists, who rape or abuse animals, and zoophiles, who form an emotional and sexual attachment to animals.

or...

Zoophiles are often confused with furries or therians (or "weres"), that is, people with an interest in anthropomorphism, or people who believe they share some kind of inner connection with animals (spiritual, emotional or otherwise).

or...

The concept of zoosexuality as a sexual orientation, as opposed to a fetish, paraphilia or affective bond, can be traced back to research such as Masters in the 1960s. This was around the time (following Kinsey) that minority sexualities and sexual interests began to be seen as something other than a sign of mental abnormality.

I do not see how any of those fit the category of using and animal to tickle with. Zoophilia and bestiality is performing sexual acts with an animal not a member of the human species.

And before you say well it is paraphilia :

The current version of the DSM (DSM-IV-TR) describes paraphilias as conditions which "are characterized by recurrent, intense sexual urges, fantasies, or behaviors that involve unusual objects, activities, or situations and cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning."

Which does not describe that.

The fact of the matter is it is not besiality nor is it zoophilia.



In getting turned on by watching a guy tickle a girl, if you're a straight guy you're getting off on the girl's reactions, so that's not homo-eroticism at all. A lot of videos feature male lers but concentrate on the 'lee.


Well that is a contradictory statement. I am concentrating on the reaction of the woman as well. so no at that time it wouldn't be bestiality or zooeroticism. And speaking of clips no you are wrong because it is not just about the reactions of the lee. If that were the case then all tickling clips would be shot from the head up and only show the lee laughing her head off and no one would see why.... because it is just about the reaction. right?

Using an animal to tickle a person is just fuckin' weird and unnatural. If that situation were similar to the one you used in your comparison, the reactions would be what mattered, thus not needing the animal at all.

OK, you want to disagree with me then fine go for it. But do not begin to chastise someones interest because they do not fit into your perfect world of what you deem is normal or acceptable. And the situation is more similar then you think... if it were not not only would what I said above be the media we have to view... but there would not be demand for f/f tickling or m/m tickling or f/m tickling or m/f tickling. it wouldn't matter. People would be just as content seeing m/m tickling as f/m tickling because it is all about the reaction. And on top of that if it were the case that it is only about the reaction... and technology is advanced enough that you do not need any living interaction. You could create a machine that worked off of sound levels and gauge what kind of tickling to administer and we wouldn't have to watch any kind of interaction human or other wise.

I compare it to bestiality because even though the person is not having sex with the animal, it's being used to tickle and thus, cause arousal.

And I respect your opinion... I think you are wrong and off base by your broad generalization of bestiality. just as you disagreed that my broad categorization of homoeroticism is wrong as well. It goes both ways. You cant take an extremist view on a subject and not apply that brush to everything in a discussion.
 
OK, you want to disagree with me then fine go for it. But do not begin to chastise someones interest because they do not fit into your perfect world of what you deem is normal or acceptable.

I never once saw her chastise, guy. Just because her view differs, doesn't mean that she's looking down on you or what you're interested in.

You like using animals as tools. Some folks don't. Just because we don't agree with it and openly discuss opinions as to why we don't, doesn't mean we're always dragging something through the dirt.
 
Well, it's not for me, but I also don't see anything to wrong with it. It's a matter of opinion. Who am I to tell someone their opinion is wrong.
 
I never once saw her chastise, guy. Just because her view differs, doesn't mean that she's looking down on you or what you're interested in.

I do not have a problem with someone disagreeing with my opinon... buddy. But ...
Using an animal to tickle a person is just fuckin' weird and unnatural.

Is chastising... it is berating and demeaning that what I find perfectly OK is "fucking weird and unnatural." Like there is something not right with me if I want to do this or not. So that is why I responded the way i did.

I don't think it's offensive or disgusting, but it's not something that I'm interested in watching or taking part in.

This is disagreeing... I have no problems with that. you do not agree I respect your opinion about it.

I have no problem she doesn't agree with me.. I have no problem with anyone disagreeing with me... but there is a definitely a difference with how you communicated your disagreement and how she did.
 
Is chastising... it is berating and demeaning that what I find perfectly OK is "fucking weird and unnatural." Like there is something not right with me if I want to do this or not. So that is why I responded the way i did.


It's hard to convey voice with only typed words. Remember that, hon. 🙂

Ray-- Agreed. :yayzorz:
 
I tried to post in TMF Radio chat last night to disagree with what was being said and to post the definition of beastiality, but good ol blog talk wouldnt let me and by the time I was able to post again the subject had turned and I did not want to reopen it...

AS I stated, I have no interest in animals used as "tools" of any sort, but I disagree with what was said and how it was stated on the show...
 
When I tickle, it is always considered bestiality. I am a fucking animal.
 
I definitely agree with the OP.
Most of us have seen the old Popeye cartoon, "Shiver Me Timbers". It's the one where Olive Oyl is tied up on the deck of a ghost ship, and then her bare feet are licked by two cats. I doubt that anyone would consider it bestiality.
 
I definitely agree with the OP.
Most of us have seen the old Popeye cartoon, "Shiver Me Timbers". It's the one where Olive Oyl is tied up on the deck of a ghost ship, and then her bare feet are licked by two cats. I doubt that anyone would consider it bestiality.

Let us put a spin on this topic...

Would it be considered bestiality to have the cat tied up and two humans licking its paws?
 
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