Vegan here
And I must say to all those of you who commented on the "self righteous veg pricks" - have a look at this thread and think again.
What do you think it makes me feel when I see people making these sad jokes about "how this conversation has made them crave for a burger now", and "how they are now enjoying this juicy burger"? This is mean and insensitive. people described here how the animals suffer - and you are craving for a burger, are u?
then, a bunch of people here are commenting on "vegetarians", giving educated opinions on their health. Too bad your views contradict the position statement of your own organization of dietitians (the American dietic association) - but still - why not add to the prejiduce, to make vegetarianism look bad - if we can!
How dare you sit back and call me and my friends self righteous while you are having a laugh and chewing on the corps of a once alive and tortured being – who was killed for you because you couldn't be bothered to even consider a cruelty free alternative?
You have the whole society standing behind you, my meet eating friends. They all believe it is ok, and they all make nice and flattering stories about themselves – and how they are “carnivores” - just like lions! They reassure each other, and have a laugh at those “wierdows”. What do you know, the enlightened ones of you say self-righteusly “I don't have a problem with vegatarians, of course...” THANK YOU! HOW KIND OF YOU!
Let me give you a little inside information ok? There are two approaches among my friends, as to how to convey the animal rights message. There is the one that complies with all the rules of “marketing”, striving for conversation. Then, there is the other one that says – that no matter what you do and how nice you are – meat eaters will do whatever they can to present you as a “self righteus” or “hippie” or fool – just so they don't really have to consider what you say – and don't have to confront with the reality behind these steaks.
As I meet along more and more responses like these, I am inclining to the latter, and to saying frankly, plain, and simple:
What I have seen here from people is the core of human evil and hypocrisy. They sit in America, “the land of the free”, after people have fought and died against oppression (and some still do). They sit in their nice apartments in front of their computer – having THEIR rights protected by law and society. And now, after obtaining this protection, what do they do? Try to live by a “live and let live” idea? HELL NO! They are intoxicated by their position as “masters of the earth”, looking at other suffering individuals as a THING.
You won't understand, unless you are put in a position like those animals. Until you are precieved so inferior that you are property (sounds familiar, America?)
So – all I can wish, is that you will be put in such a position. Soon. That you experience violence and tragedy like these animals. Soon. And when you are about to lose everything you have, slowly and painfully – think of your oppressor, think of him sitting and writing in some forum that “this thread makes him want to slap your asses one more time”. And think of how he argues that this is how things are, the dominant dominates the weaker one. “It is only natural”, he will argue, and he – he couldn't be bothered to consider the alternative of thinking of you as moral subjects.
I am well aware you will hate me now. But what the hell. Putting the mirror in front of someone's face is not a popular thing. Hate me, but if dare hate me for what I SAID – what should the animals do – for what you DO to them?