Any Fellow Vegetarians?

[Mz Chaos]

Vegetarians Are Evil People

See for yourself!

http://www.hungrymonster.com/humor/Jokes.cfm?jid=46

 

[sadira]

No offense to anyone who is vegetarian, but every one I've ever met had a very unhealthy pallor about them to say the least. The majority of them were preachy, self-righteous pricks too.

HEY!!! I've met LK, and she is NOT like this at all! She doesn't rant on and try to get everyone to eat like she does. She lets everyone make their own choices! Just because "every one" has been that way to you, doesn't mean ALL vegans are. I've worked for some very intelligent, healthy, interesting complete and partial vegetarians. And, since knowing LK, she's a great person to be around. NOT at all like your generalization!!!!

 

[slacker2114]

Ok, it seems I've been misunderstood. I said any veggies I've ever MET. Having never met lk or anyone else in this forum, that statement does not apply to you. Geez, you people are grumpy. You need a hamburger or something. 😛

 

[cabalist]

Not exactly sure what a "cowboy cut" is, but if that means it's thick, juicy and ready for grillin', count me in.

No offense to anyone who is vegetarian, but every one I've ever met had a very unhealthy pallor about them to say the least. The majority of them were preachy, self-righteous pricks too. Humans are omnivores, like bears. They need both meat and vegetables to be truly healthy. I admit, I don't eat as many veggies as I should. But forgo meat? NEVER!!!

Does anyone else think this post comes off as a little preachy and self-righteous (and bigoted to boot - come on, humans "need" meat? The scientific facts just don't support that opinion at all) -- and therefore a little hypocritical as well? 😉

 

[lk70]

Ok, it seems I've been misunderstood. I said any veggies I've ever MET. Having never met lk or anyone else in this forum, that statement does not apply to you. Geez, you people are grumpy. You need a hamburger or something. 😛

Oh I just knew they'd be coming after you, teddy bear!

To know me is to love me. 😀 ROFLMAO. Just like you.

We shall simply have to get together for dinner one day, that's all.

 

[lk70]

And, since knowing LK, she's a great person to be around. NOT at all like your generalization!!!!

Back at ya baby!

 

[Krokus]

I think generalizations are unfair. I've had to deal with them alot, and I don't like them! ><


However, this has truly been a life changing experience. I've never felt better, I've never looked better, and I get more fiber, which is excellent.

 

[Icycle]

No offense to anyone who is vegetarian, but every one I've ever met had a very unhealthy pallor about them to say the least.

It is possible they were suffering from a vitamin B12 deficiency. Vitamin B12 is an a nutrient that is important for many bodily functions, inlcuding the production of red blood cells. A B12 deficiency can result in anemia, one of the symptoms of which is pallor. Vitmain B12 is naturally found in meat, eggs, and dairy products, but not in plant products. Lacto-ovo vegetarians get enough B12 in milk and eggs, but strict vegans need to supplement their diets by taking multivitamins or eating fortified foods, like fortified breakfast cereals.

 

[Krokus]

Yea, I'm taking a multivitamin/protien shakes as well

 

[Mz Chaos]

Seriously... ain't nothing wrong with folks who don't eat meat. I have met a few vegetarians and let me tell ya... they look pretty damned healthy to me. If they hadn't told me they were vegetarians, I'd never have known. It's cool that there are folks out there who dare to be different and who choose not to be like the majority for the sake of their beliefs and health...

Besides... leaves more meat for us carnivores.

 

[cabalist]

As a "strict carnivore" until sometime during my college days, when I first began to shun meat, based on personal experience and observation, it seems clear that there are two primary reasons people eat meat: Either because they like it and/or out of habit/tradition. But aside from conditions wherein it might be the only form of adequate sustenance available, in general meat is the least efficient and economical, or most "wasteful", means of obtaining the protein needed in the human diet.

For example, a cow has been described by some as "a protein factory in reverse" -- meaning that the amount of protien the cow needs to consume prior to slaughter is many times over the amount of protein its meat makes available for human consumption. So one might speculate that "world hunger" for us humans might be nearly eradicated were these valuable potential food resources fed to humans rather than to the cows raised to feed those who can afford meat. Of course, the meat industry profits well from this flagrant wastefulness.

Self-righteousness? All simple statements of fact, to the best of my knowledge.

 

[asutickler]

For example, a cow has been described by some as "a protein factory in reverse" -- meaning that the amount of protien the cow needs to consume prior to slaughter is many times over the amount of protein its meat makes available for human consumption. So one might speculate that "world hunger" for us humans might be nearly eradicated were these valuable potential food resources fed to humans rather than to the cows raised to feed those who can afford meat.

Call me crazy, but most of the people I know don't really enjoy eating grass or hay.

 

[cabalist]

Call me crazy

Okay, you're crazy.


😉

 

[Mephistopheles]

I'm a carnivore. I live on meat and vitamine pills.

 

[Babbles]

Cool grandpop

Hey Senbab, can't blame you there, I eat meat too...

That is so sad! I do eat meat, but not fish or any other seafood. I am tempted to be a vegetarian because of the cruel conditions the animals lived in before their deaths. *shudders*

Yeah, thanks TG4L! You're kinder, I got mad -- It was a particularly obnoxious, stuffy, arrogant classmate, too, though I hadn't actually pegged him as a torturer... Never viewed those cold beady expressionless eyes quite the same way again..
(Hope Karma smacked him but good upside the head...)

I avoid the veal too, but as for the lobster...

Hmm. As far as I know, it is just steam escaping the carapace as it heats suddenly. It's certainly not a scream in the literal sense of the word, because lobsters don't vocalize.

Besides, my grandpa taught me that you shouldn't put the lobster live into boiling water because it would make the meat tough as it took too long to die. Better to chop its head off with a cleaver first.

Hey, stop looking at me like that! Just try to tell me Grandpa's way isn't more humane!

I like your grandfather
Made it quick, and great argument for a much kinder death...(if we need one...)
Of course they can't "scream" literally, but the fact that any creature reacts like that at all when dropped into boiling water
....is more than enough of an indication (that's too cruel). Though why that would be done in the first place beats me...
Kill it to eat, fine, perhaps, but knowingly/likely torture it to death... ?!

I've heard they're also *steamed live --
OMG I know I'm the last one able to talk, so fine, here's my jugular,
but GEEEZZZZZ --- at least kill it *first....
I'd think there's a level of unnecessary cruelty that really needs to be illegal rather than common practice in most restaurants..
(Though I suppose "unnecessary cruelty" is hopefully redundant...)

I realize we've mostly been brought up with this as the "norm," not knowing or being taught better, to a point, but what amazes me is how/why it begins... and catches on... A quick death shouldn't be too much to ask at least, right? Or insist upon -- Sorry, I'll quit semi-hijacking...

 

[Icycle]

Call me crazy, but most of the people I know don't really enjoy eating grass or hay.

The vast majority of beef in America is fed corn, not grass or hay. And even if they were fed grass or hay, if we raised less beef, some of the pastureland could be converted to human-edible crops.

 

[lk70]

It is possible they were suffering from a vitamin B12 deficiency. Vitamin B12 is an a nutrient that is important for many bodily functions, inlcuding the production of red blood cells. A B12 deficiency can result in anemia, one of the symptoms of which is pallor. Vitmain B12 is naturally found in meat, eggs, and dairy products, but not in plant products. Lacto-ovo vegetarians get enough B12 in milk and eggs, but strict vegans need to supplement their diets by taking multivitamins or eating fortified foods, like fortified breakfast cereals.

It's true. I have at least a glass of milk per day (organic low fat of course- don't get me started on hormones and antibiotics in the dairy industry..ask me why antibiotics don't work to cure our illnesses anymore) and probably 3-4 free range vegetarian eggs per week. I put away a good amount of soy based protein too. The majority of my diet is high protein and whole grains. And I really LIKE this food so it works out well. The rest of my diet is pizza and beer- it's all a balance 😀

 

[Babbles]

It's true. I have at least a glass of milk per day (organic low fat of course- don't get me started on hormones and antibiotics in the dairy industry..ask me why antibiotics don't work to cure our illnesses anymore) and probably 3-4 free range vegetarian eggs per week. I put away a good amount of soy based protein too. The majority of my diet is high protein and whole grains. And I really LIKE this food so it works out well. The rest of my diet is pizza and beer- it's all a balance 😀

That's a(nother) really helpful post (including the pizza and beer recommendation 😀 )

My parents will only buy Farmland milk as it seems hormone & antibiotic free... I don't know anything about the company otherwise (& should therefore research that further as well...)

 

[lk70]

That's a(nother) really helpful post (including the pizza and beer recommendation 😀 )

My parents will only buy Farmland milk as it seems hormone & antibiotic free... I don't know anything about the company otherwise (& should therefore research that further as well...)

Not sure about Farmland but Horizon and Stonyfield Farms both make organic milk and other dairy products. Horizon even makes chocolate milk!

 

[Icycle]

Not sure about Farmland but Horizon and Stonyfield Farms both make organic milk and other dairy products. Horizon even makes chocolate milk!

lk70, since you seem to be a vegetarian on animal welfare principles, you might want to reconsider your decision to drink Horizon milk. Horizon is part of big organic, the large food production companies that follow the letter of the law when it comes to the organic label, but are otherwise like any other large industrial food production company.

Several thousand Horizon cows spend their days in a grassless fenced enclosure, eating grain and silage when they aren't being milked three times a day. Their organic feed is shipped in from all over the West, and their waste accumulates in manure ponds (see Michael Pollan's The Omnivore's Dilemma, pp. 156-7). This is much like the way things operate in any large scale industrialized dairy, except that the cows must be kept under much closer health surveillance, since they aren't fed any antibiotics.

If you are truly concerned about the welfare of the cows that provide your milk and diary products, you might be better off trying to find a small, local dairy instead of one of the large, nationwide, industrial organic dairies. It might be slightly more expensive, but you'll have much greater assurance about the welfare of the animals. Heck, you could probably even meet the farmer and his cows if it's close enough!

 

[Babbles]

And I was *just about to thank lk70 for referring us to that chocolate milk...
😱

 

[lk70]

lk70, since you seem to be a vegetarian on animal welfare principles, you might want to reconsider your decision to drink Horizon milk. Horizon is part of big organic, the large food production companies that follow the letter of the law when it comes to the organic label, but are otherwise like any other large industrial food production company.

Several thousand Horizon cows spend their days in a grassless fenced enclosure, eating grain and silage when they aren't being milked three times a day. Their organic feed is shipped in from all over the West, and their waste accumulates in manure ponds (see Michael Pollan's The Omnivore's Dilemma, pp. 156-7). This is much like the way things operate in any large scale industrialized dairy, except that the cows must be kept under much closer health surveillance, since they aren't fed any antibiotics.

If you are truly concerned about the welfare of the cows that provide your milk and diary products, you might be better off trying to find a small, local dairy instead of one of the large, nationwide, industrial organic dairies. It might be slightly more expensive, but you'll have much greater assurance about the welfare of the animals. Heck, you could probably even meet the farmer and his cows if it's close enough!

Thanks for the info Icycle. I'll do some research into that. Local dairy? In central NJ? Not likely! Local oil refinery, yes, dairy no 😀

My largest concern about drinking organic milk is the absence of hormones and antibiotics but the welfare of the dairy cow is an issue as well.

 

[Mz Chaos]

Anyone up for a chicken sandwich???

 

[slacker2114]

Not for me, thanks. I'm currently enjoying my nice, thick juicy burger made from 100% pure cow meat. YUUUUM-yum.

 

[lk70]

Not for me, thanks. I'm currently enjoying my nice, thick juicy burger made from 100% pure cow meat. YUUUUM-yum.

At 4:30 in the morning? Has anyone ever seen this man in the daylight?

Could he be a vampire? Was that burger really rare, slacker?

And Mz Chaos- go ahead- you bite that head off the chicken. I'll see if Ozzy Osbourne is free for tea later 😀