any straight guys had a tickle session with other guys?

[kucheeku]

He thinks, and you hope.

After almost 40 years spent as a professional actor, (so I have some knowledge of the people whereof I speak) I still find it sadly amusing that so many gays seem convinced that a straight man is simply someone who doesn't know he's gay yet, and yet paradoxically like to believe that a man who says he's straight but 'interacts' with men or wants to, IS straight.

First off--

your "years of experience in the acting field" doesn't impress me one ounce regarding whether you know or don't know someone's sexual orientation. Unless you are, say Dr. John Money and have studied gender identity and sexual orientation as your job, being around actors is not a qualifier.

The second, and really the main point of my first post, is that the labels don't matter one bit for male/male tickling. If you think it's weird, or "non-straight" or whatever, so effing what? Unclebill brings up "what if a guy tickled another guy in a mall or sporting event". You know what? If that guy was my pal, damn yes I would tickle him and anyone criticizing would get a truly hearty "fuck you!" from me. I've faced homophobes before with daggers in my eyes and they've ALWAYS backed down.

So, the male/male tickling thing. A problem? Really? Wow.

 

[kcantankerous]

hi
sorry if this has came up on the forum before, but was just wondering if any straight guys have met up with any guys on here or from anywhere else for a tickle session. Finding a lady who is prepared to be a ler or lee is fairly impossible, and going to a pro domme place can be very costly.

I'm totally straight myself, but I am looking for the thrill of being restrained and helpless, squirming and begging for the tickling to stop. my favourite sites are tickleabuse and tickleintensive, I have long watched their videos and wished to be the one in the seat 🙂

I think it would be weird with another guy but could also be fun.

so just seeing if anybody on here has had an experience like this? and would you recommend it?

thanks

Hello mickbds,

I know your simply asking a question and wasn't necessary looking to start a debate or otherwise on the subject but let me say this. Cheers to you for keeping an open mind, I am rather close minded (regretfully on the subject) that I only tickle and enjoy being tickled by women. However, I believe two straight guys tickling each other as no big deal. Any push back that you are receiving is probably from individuals who make a direct link between tickling and sex. For me it can be fun, like an impulse and it can be sexual. Even so, I stick to females, but again that is most likely due to my close mindedness.

I hope you find someone that that will help you satisfy your desire. I think your way would be more efficient to get that result. As I always mention, it is tougher to set things up with women than men (not that I try the latter lol). Just look at the personals sections. Anyways, hope you find your fix.

Thanks
K

 

[kucheeku]

Hello mickbds,

I know your simply asking a question and wasn't necessary looking to start a debate or otherwise on the subject but let me say this. Cheers to you for keeping an open mind, I am rather close minded (regretfully on the subject) that I only tickle and enjoy being tickled by women. However, I believe two straight guys tickling each other as no big deal. Any push back that you are receiving is probably from individuals who make a direct link between tickling and sex. For me it can be fun, like an impulse and it can be sexual. Even so, I stick to females, but again that is most likely due to my close mindedness.

I hope you find someone that that will help you satisfy your desire. I think your way would be more efficient to get that result. As I always mention, it is tougher to set things up with women than men (not that I try the latter lol). Just look at the personals sections. Anyways, hope you find your fix.

Thanks
K

Thank you for posting your comment, K. For the record, I don't think you are closed-minded. Being open-minded with this for me simply means to understand where some guys get these urges. I don't get into ticking or getting tickled by women, but completely understand those guys and gals who do.

 

[Mane'o]

the responses here reach under the covers of both the problems in our society of coming to terms with sexuality in a healthy, open way and reveals that some do not separate tickling from sex. If you are of the school that all ticking has some sexual subtext then men tickling men has a sexual context. If you are of the school that not all tickling is connected with sex then men can tickle other men with no whiff of sexual undercurrents. The strident stand some take on this says more about their own view of the world than on some reasonable reality.

 

[kcantankerous]

Hello Kucheeku,

It means a lot to me that you said that. In my youth I was bigoted not violent but still mean towards the gay and lesbian community. Since then I felt like I matured, not to steer this thread off track. Also it's good to get your perspective on the matter. Someone, who I will not name, seemed to insinuate that tickle play between dudes must obviously be sexual. Clearly, this fetish is diverse as anything else.

I can tickle a lady friend for fun, and enjoy it in a non sexual way, because of my impulse if she's fine with it, or I can incorporate it into sex and enjoy it that way too. Really I enjoy the laughter of women, that's why I'm not into the hard-core stuff (not that there is anything wrong with fans of that genre). Having said that I feel as you do but in reverse lol.

Thanks
K

 

[Libertine]

First off--

your "years of experience in the acting field" doesn't impress me one ounce regarding whether you know or don't know someone's sexual orientation. Unless you are, say Dr. John Money and have studied gender identity and sexual orientation as your job, being around actors is not a qualifier.

The second, and really the main point of my first post, is that the labels don't matter one bit for male/male tickling. If you think it's weird, or "non-straight" or whatever, so effing what? Unclebill brings up "what if a guy tickled another guy in a mall or sporting event". You know what? If that guy was my pal, damn yes I would tickle him and anyone criticizing would get a truly hearty "fuck you!" from me. I've faced homophobes before with daggers in my eyes and they've ALWAYS backed down.

So, the male/male tickling thing. A problem? Really? Wow.

You addressed none of my points while descending rapidly into a a shrieking rant bordering on hysteria. This is certainly not typical of gay men in general, who never indulge in such behaviour.

I really don't care what gay men get up to with one another, and hope they enjoy doing it. In fact, Kucheeku, as a Christmas wish I hope you yourself have the kind of sex you like (with every possible pleasurable permutation thereof) with as many men as you want, anywhere and everywhere you want, throughout your entire life. For a wider age range of partners you should come to England- the age of consent for gay sex in the United Kingdom is 16, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_Offences_(Amendment)_Act_2000 but for your own safety please make sure if you are having sex with a boy aged 16 or 17 not to offer him a cigarette afterwards because it's illegal for minors to smoke here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoking_age#United_Kingdom

To return to the topic- (sparing us the spurious deconstructionist argument of massage or professional wrestling or suchlike rubbish) something which is physically pleasurable performed in tactile combination with another person/s when everyone's wearing as little clothing as possible is sexual. The partner chosen shows the sexual orientation.

So what?

 

[kcantankerous]

You addressed none of my points while descending rapidly into a a shrieking rant bordering on hysteria. This is certainly not typical of gay men in general, who never indulge in such behaviour.

I really don't care what gay men get up to with one another, and hope they enjoy doing it. In fact, Kucheeku, as a Christmas wish I hope you yourself have the kind of sex you like (with every possible pleasurable permutation thereof) with as many men as you want, anywhere and everywhere you want, throughout your entire life. For a wider age range of partners you should come to England- the age of consent for gay sex in the United Kingdom is 16, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_Offences_(Amendment)_Act_2000 but for your own safety please make sure if you are having sex with a boy aged 16 or 17 not to offer him a cigarette afterwards because it's illegal for minors to smoke here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoking_age#United_Kingdom

To return to the topic- (sparing us the spurious deconstructionist argument of massage or professional wrestling or suchlike rubbish) something which is physically pleasurable performed in tactile combination with another person/s when everyone's wearing as little clothing as possible is sexual. The partner chosen shows the sexual orientation.

So what?

Hello Libertine,

I did not read the arguments between you and Mr. Kucheeku. I am speaking specifically of your last paragraph. I think you might be one of the individuals I referred to earlier as not seeing a distinction between sex and compulsive play. I am not sure how or where the pedophilia stuff came from nor do I really care as this an adult forum and I'm sure there wasn't mention of age specificness.

As a heterosexual male who once had a dim view of gays. Tickling women is a compulsion that I control, by playful tickles here and there for the fun aspect and (as I am currently single) watching fetish videos for the sexual aspect. There is a line that separates the two, I enjoy tickling women no matter what they look like. However, I must be attracted to them to get the sexual feeling.

Anyways, I say this because I think you are only familiar with sexual tickling (if I am wrong I'd appreciate the correction). That is fine, but you really should entertain the possibility that others can experience one form (fun), another (sexual), or both. I once thought as you did, but after sometime I realized that just as in politics, fetishes, and anything else there are many facets not just one.

I await your cogent reply,
K

 

[P[a]pi]

I think mickbds is getting hammered here for no reason. Now I understand if people think he's lying. He's just a gay guy trying to get some, or he's just a confused guy who will be gay soon, but the thing is you don't say it. And the reason you don't say it is the same reason that you don't hammer a new "female" saying she wants to talk all day long about what you'd do to her or vice versa. We already know that it's possible that everybody is lying, except for those with pics, and even pics can be faked.

Now back to what the OP said. He doesn't want a session with a guy. He wants to be tied up and tickled (who would have thought?). And there are a lot more guys here than girls who actually want to do stuff in real life. So, he's just saying that in order to not take his fetish unfullilled to the grave, that he'd be willing to try an m/m session. Maybe he'll hate it and never do it again. Maybe he'll regret it. Maybe it won't be satisfying. Who knows? The bottom line is, it is understandable how he came to this idea.

 

[HallowedGround5]

So if a father tickles a son, does that make him a pedophile? If you sexualize all tickling, then this is the only conclusion you can come up with.

Uhhhhh... there's a BIG difference between a father tickling a son and a "restrained tickling session". Come on.

 

[rhiannon]

Ok, my personal opinion here, and nothing more!

If you crave something that bad that you are considering doing it with whoever, I would think you crave it sexually. I mean, I like massages, but if I don't get one, it's totally no problem. If I don't ever get an orgasm, that IS a problem.

Personally, I could only do something that I crave sexually with someone I consider to be a potential sex partner. So....if I considered being tickled by a girl, I would have to be at least bi to do it. Everything else would make me cringe! But hey - that's just me. Maybe there are some people who can detach the sexual action totally from who's doing it.

 

[HallowedGround5]

Getting tickled will NOT change your orientation, even if you end up having an orgasm.

First off, you talk about how people shouldn't "sexualize all tickling"; and, then, you throw in the part about how it's fine to have an orgasm. I'm sorry... but if having an orgasm isn't connected to sexual orientation, I don't know what is.

Let me explain something. I am a straight guy. It would be literally IMPOSSIBLE for me to experience any kind of sexual arousal, with another man. It wouldn't matter if the man was straight, gay, bi or a-sexual. To put it bluntly... I would never be able to get it up, nor would I have any desire to, whatsoever. This fact, is what makes me STRAIGHT. If, instead, I could get a sexual rise from any kind of interaction with another man, that would make me bi or gay. It really is that simple. There is no such thing as a straight guy who alos happens to like to have sex with guys, on the weekend. It just isn't true; and, I don't care how many people cry HOMOPHOBIA or pull the "you're being judgmental" card. I have no problem with gay people. I have many gay friends - I grew up in Los Angeles. We're very liberal here. That doesn't change anything.

 

[LD_Tickler]

Guys, cut the mudslinging out. Going back and forth calling each other gay is pretty childish, and very insulting.


As for women tickling women being a matter of different "wiring," I want to call shenanigans. It may be more like "programming." Gender expectations have normalized that kind of thing, whereas men have been socialized to think playing with other men, like tickling, is weird.

 

[HallowedGround5]

Guys, cut the mudslinging out. Going back and forth calling each other gay is pretty childish, and very insulting.


As for women tickling women being a matter of different "wiring," I want to call shenanigans. It may be more like "programming." Gender expectations have normalized that kind of thing, whereas men have been socialized to think playing with other men, like tickling, is weird.

I haven't seen anyone do any mudslinging on here. Although I agree that gender and social expectations do play a role in development, they don't trump one's true sexuality and orientation.

 

[kcantankerous]

Ok, my personal opinion here, and nothing more!

If you crave something that bad that you are considering doing it with whoever, I would think you crave it sexually. I mean, I like massages, but if I don't get one, it's totally no problem. If I don't ever get an orgasm, that IS a problem.

Personally, I could only do something that I crave sexually with someone I consider to be a potential sex partner. So....if I considered being tickled by a girl, I would have to be at least bi to do it. Everything else would make me cringe! But hey - that's just me. Maybe there are some people who can detach the sexual action totally from who's doing it.

Hey rhiannon,

If you crave pizza is it a sexual urge? You don't need it for sustenance, you eat it because you enjoy it. I know my example is really simple but the point is made. I like papi's point that we can't jump inside anyone elses head. If you look at Mikebds' first post he was asking if anyone would indulge him, not start a debate about whether it makes one gay or not.

In all seriousness that opens you up to potentially 100% of the market for ler/lees. Seems reasonable; anyways unless Libertine responds to my post, I have nothing more to add to this thread (I'm sure everyone is breathing a sigh of relief lol).

Thanks,
K

 

[Cosmo_ac]

Personally, I would say it's simply a matter of comfort levels. If your attracted to men, your attracted to men. If your attracted to tickling, your attracted to tickling. If your attracted to tickling regardless of the gender of the participent, then your attracted to the tickling.

Don't let others push their own insecurities unto you.

 

[FlockOfSeagulls]

There are some straight men who are actually comfortable enough with their own sexuality that tickling another man or being tickled themselves doesn't bother them. I've met several with very healthy relationships with women who are just like that. There's nothing wrong with it, and if the OP wants to try it, kudos to him. If he's curious of it, he should try it. As long as he picks a 'ler who will respect that he's anxious about the experience, he shouldn't have a problem.

That is the most politically correct answer I have ever heard in almost 6 years of being a member of this forum. Its politically correct yet 1000% wrong in reality . You have to be a male to truly understand this .

 

[rhiannon]

If you crave pizza is it a sexual urge?

I thought I explained it well enough with the massages, but apparently I didn't. 🙂 If I crave a pizza, I could very well live without it. I don't NEED to have it. Sex on the other hand....that's what my point was....if you are desperate enough for something that you are ready to compromise in who gives it to you, I would think the urge is so strong that it can only be defined as either

a) vital
b) sexual

Since tickling is nothing you need to stay alive, my only conclusion is that it's a sexual urge.

 

[rhiannon]

Sorry for the double post, but I just now saw this. 🙂

In all seriousness that opens you up to potentially 100% of the market for ler/lees.

Yeah...it's like the sentence: Double your chances.....be bisexual! 🙂

 

[kucheeku]

Hello Kucheeku,

It means a lot to me that you said that. In my youth I was bigoted not violent but still mean towards the gay and lesbian community. Since then I felt like I matured, not to steer this thread off track. Also it's good to get your perspective on the matter. Someone, who I will not name, seemed to insinuate that tickle play between dudes must obviously be sexual. Clearly, this fetish is diverse as anything else.



I can tickle a lady friend for fun, and enjoy it in a non sexual way, because of my impulse if she's fine with it, or I can incorporate it into sex and enjoy it that way too. Really I enjoy the laughter of women, that's why I'm not into the hard-core stuff (not that there is anything wrong with fans of that genre). Having said that I feel as you do but in reverse lol.

Thanks
K

Your point is exactly the well-stated one expressing where I stand. I've tickled so many guys quite overtly with no intentions whatsoever of having sex with them, because I realize that tickling and sex for me can be separated. I just feel it's unfortunate that some guys can't separate the two, since it would increase their chances of having tickling fun. A number of my straight friends, male and female, know that I have "a thing" for tickling but don't accuse me of getting sexual with them even when I tickle them.

 

[kcantankerous]

Your point is exactly the well-stated one expressing where I stand. I've tickled so many guys quite overtly with no intentions whatsoever of having sex with them, because I realize that tickling and sex for me can be separated. I just feel it's unfortunate that some guys can't separate the two, since it would increase their chances of having tickling fun. A number of my straight friends, male and female, know that I have "a thing" for tickling but don't accuse me of getting sexual with them even when I tickle them.

Yeah, some people see the old lady in the picture, others the young woman, only a few tend to see both lol. I outed myself to one of my closest female friends and now she understands that distinction. She asked good questions to grasp the understanding after laughing at the thought of it for a few minutes lol.

 

[angrygreek]

Yeah, I am lost as to why someone is somehow unable to at the same time sexualize the feeling of being tickled, whether the harbinger of such feeling is male or female; and not sexualize the engagement of different sexual acts whether with females or males.

A male can definitely compartmentalize being tickled by a man, while at the same time not sexualize the receiving or giving a blow-job from another man, for example.

Sexuality is complex, to dumb it down to 3 categories; especially in the realm of fetish, BDSM and role-play is absurd.

 

[ChicagoDavid]

Most of the responses to OP are off point from OP’s request. If he’s really gay, of course he’ll like being tickled by a guy -- no discussion needed. So let’s actually take his post at face value, and assume that he is straight, and offer him advice on whether he’ll enjoy a session where he’s tickled by a guy!

For me, it wouldn’t work. Then again, when I get a massage, I’d much rather it be a woman than a guy, even though I don’t think of a massage as “sexual” and don’t get a hard on during one. But I can tell, in advance, that I’d be uncomfortable with it. If you think that you might like it, I’d recommend trying a very short session, e.g., 10 minutes. That way, if it doesn’t work for you, what have you really lost? If you like it, you can do it in the future. Risks are worth taking when there is a high upside and a low downside.

 

[Libertine]

A:

Hello Libertine,

I did not read the arguments between you and Mr. Kucheeku.....

I await your cogent reply,
K

When you do so, you'll get my 'cogent' reply.

B:

Your point is exactly the well-stated one expressing where I stand. I've tickled so many guys quite overtly with no intentions whatsoever of having sex with them, because I realize that tickling and sex for me can be separated. I just feel it's unfortunate that some guys can't separate the two, since it would increase their chances of having tickling fun.

A number of my straight friends, male and female, know that I have "a thing" for tickling but don't accuse me of getting sexual with them even when I tickle them.

Well, the female ones wouldn't, would they?

As for the heterosexual men who lie back in a heterosexual way and happily allow you, an avowedly uncloseted and completely 'out' homosexual, access to them... IF during the non-sexual tickling they then decided they were actually straight men who want to try sex with other men (in a heterosexual fashion, naturally) what would your reaction be? Of course we must realize that having consensual sex with other men in no way indicates that a man has any gay tendencies, even if things conclude with a nice, satisfying orgasm.

I respect the fact your own innocence and self control combine to such an extent that you CAN separate sex and tickling, that you would never regard what you had done as any form of foreplay, and thus you would not have any desire to comply should your male playmates develop a 'heterosexual-enhanced' libido which resulted in them developing the urge to engage in non-gay sex with you. Even if the request came from the really handsome and muscular ones, or for argument's sake the attractive heterosexual cross-dressers, for the latter practice according to current thinking is also a straight man's pursuit.

In conclusion, thank you very much for making me understand how very wrong I was.

 

[kcantankerous]

Hello Libertine,

Fair enough, I'll read the former threads and get back to you.

Thanks,
K

 

[robmic]

Wow, this thread is making me dizzy! That poor guy just threw an idea out there to get some feedback, and now, on the fourth page, we're still arguing about whether he's gay or not. The homophobes, the gay and bi guys, the women that think they know what men are thinking, the men that think they know what women are thinking....it boggles the mind.
I say if he wants to try it, then he should go for it. Just heed the advice thrown out here about setting the guidelines beforehand. Then have fun! For those that associate tickling with sex, don't group everyone together. I tend to associate tickling with......wait for it......TICKLING!!! If sex is included, great. If not, great too. That's because I love TICKLING! The act of making someone wiggle and squirm and laugh is what I crave. Anything else that comes of the act is strictly coincidental. Don't try to read anything else into it, for me or him, or anyone else for that matter.