If you say so. However the subject under discussion was getting into the business specifically for the purpose of fondling women's feet and getting off on it.
Now, if you sought out the glamorous life of a service station attendant because watching people pump gas got your motor going (so to speak) then yes, I think you might have a problem.
Your argument all along has been that it's not a problem if the person in question never gives you any indication that it's happening. So again, if you don't know about it, why? How is a doctor who gives you a gynecological exam because it turns him on being any less invasive than a doctor who puts a camera in his dressing room for the same reason - as long as you don't know about either one?
What I hear in your argument is that you would freak out if you found out about the camera. And therefore it's wrong. But would you not be similarly freaked if you learned that your doctor was getting an erection while you were in the stirrups? If so then what's the difference?
So, it's not a matter of an errant thought coming unbidden in the course of a normal day. It's about someone coming to work each day specifically to get his hands on women's feet because it turns him on.
If you sincerely don't see the difference, then I don't know how else to explain it to you. But I don't believe that to be the case. You're not an idiot. A picture is different than a thought. Period. I'm not beating this dead horse. Feel free to disagree with me, but I'm through repeating myself.
It does "turn me on" to get my hands on womens feet , not sexually , but in a gratifying way. This is why I chose to help women (and men) with their foot issues.
If it doesn't turn you on to do this , the job can be horrible to say the least.
Skip, we are not talking about THOUGHTS here.
This is about getting a job to gratify a fetish! It involves touching, using someone for their pleasure without their consent. It is different if someone during his or her job happens to see someone that he or she thinks is hot and then has fantasies about the person, nobody can help that. But you can help getting into a job for the only purpose to get sexual gratification! That is wrong unless you are a prostitute, porn star or something like that!
I think it's time to agree to disagree.
Why?I so want to bite you when you say that! 🙂
Why?
Yes, yes we are.
No, we're not. Do try reading the original topic again.
Person with tickling fetish gets job as pedicurist.
Person tickles clients to gratify said fetish, even though tickling clients is not part of what a pedicurist does.
Unless said person is Charles Xavier, the tickling was not in said person's mind.
You'll get no arguments from me that something that stays solely within your head is your own business, but that is not how the discussion started.
No, we're not. Do try reading the original topic again.
Person with tickling fetish gets job as pedicurist.
Person tickles clients to gratify said fetish, even though tickling clients is not part of what a pedicurist does.
Unless said person is Charles Xavier, the tickling was not in said person's mind.
You'll get no arguments from me that something that stays solely within your head is your own business, but that is not how the discussion started.
The tickling is not what people are pissed off about. The sexual gratification is what makes it an issue. If someone without a tickling fetish tickled women during pedicures just because he thought the reaction was funny, no one would call him skeevy or cowardly. The action isn't the problem. The thoughts are. So again, we're talking about thoughts.
Fair enough. So, let's say your OB/GYN went into the business because he likes fondling women. But he doesn't let on in any way that you notice. He just sets up a hidden camera in his exam room so he can tape you undressing, and record the exam for his private enjoyment later.
At what point does this cross the line? When he turns on the camera? When he shares the film on the gynecology fetish forum? Or is everything OK as long as you don't know about it and you aren't made to feel uncomfortable?
I guess everyone in the world is just everyone else's cum sponge, (physical contact included) as long as no one has to admit it.
We're not talking about enjoying doing your job, like my hairdresser friend who loves doing hair, and making people feel beautiful. We're talking about someone getting sexual pleasure from what they're doing, without the other person's consent,under the pretense of providing a professional service. It's a lot closer to rubbing up against someone on the subway. But a little more cowardly.
Standards of professional behavior are usually set within the profession. And I don't know of any non-sexual profession that considers it all right to derive sexual satisfaction from a customer.
I think it's obvious that it's morally wrong, but of course there is no such thing as thought police and people think some pretty fucked up shit.
Well, yes. I walk around a shopping mall in a low-cut top, and some teenage punk might notice my breasts and fantasize about them later. Pretending such things never happen seems a tad naive.
Someone who just tickled women because he thinks it's funny would most likely not do it very often, because people who get tickled too much and deliberately in a pedicure would be pissed off pretty quickly and not visit that pedicurist anymore. Nobody would risk losing a customer "just for fun".
It is common that pedicurists try everything to avoid tickling a customer. So if a pedicurist does the contrary, that's not what the customer expects and wants.....amd they would look for another pedicurist.
I'm really getting sick of the people on one side of this argument being labeled prudes just because we care about other people's personal space and boundaries.
My objection to the OP's plan is based on two simple concepts: Physical Contact and Consent.
Look, I don't give two shits about what someone thinks. I've had plenty of thoughts that would land me in jail, if thinking about illegal behavior was illegal.
And I don't give two shits about what someone does, with another consenting adult. However, when you take away the knowledge that it's a sexual situation (at least for one party), you are taking away the opportunity to give (or not give) consent to be touched for such a purpose. Some people, are apparently flattered by the prospect of such attention, even finding out after the fact (where's the mutual enjoyment in that? That's their issue. Let them seek that kind of attention. Other people, like a lot of people I know, would not be. They're not prudes just because they don't want a stranger's hands on them for that kind of purpose (without them knowing about it) even though the person would enjoy it sooo much, and wants to sooo bad....
Someone else's desire to do what they want does not overpower someone else's personal space. Unless you're reading a bodice-ripper romance novel.
That about sums up what the problem is about!
That's worse than the date rape comparison.seems a bit creepy to me. I mean the OP wants to do it specifically for that reason. ugh, thats like a pedophile becoming a pediatrician cause he gets sexual gratification from touching kids. as long as he conducts himself professionally its alright. thats not such a comforting thought. Sorry, I don't mean to like say its the SAME, but i mean, someone could use that too right?
Too many people these days find weird ways to satisfy their fetishes. Poor kids on youtube are being "dared" why do I find that junk when I just search tickling?? People videotaping peoples feet unknowlingly. I don't know.
just posting my thoughts-
That's worse than the date rape comparison.
Don't begin to include children in this discussion. That's disgusting and I refuse to take part in it.Why? After all, what difference does it make what's going on in his head, as long as he behaves professionally, right?
Don't begin to include children in this discussion. That's disgusting and I refuse to take part in it.
That's worse than the date rape comparison.
Originally Posted by taptoematt View Post
Why should she care ? If I'm professional and not doing anything illegal, how and why can she police whats going on in my head?
After listening to many of these crazy debates in philosophy classes, I can say with absolute certainty this is exactly where the conversation is going. This is only a hypothetical too! HA!
The only thing I can say is a lot of people have their own anxieties about sexual issues, especially when they know someone is thinking something sexual about them.
The problem is they never admit its their personal problem because they simply can't accept the fact that other people have their own minds and can think how they want about them in any given context. So, they project their own issues onto others under the guise of "ethics" in order to implant the same shame and guilt they feel about sex. Parents do this to their kids all the time with sexual issues and that stranger danger bullshit... AND by using extreme arguments and "fear tactics" to drive home their message.
Watch, someone might read this and say "yeah, well you go to the Hersey factory where some nutjob with a Hersey fetish secretly gets off to you while you're pulling a Costanza on that sundae!"
Why? After all, what difference does it make what's going on in his head, as long as he behaves professionally, right?
