Are other straight guys into M/M tickling, or am I just weird?

[ticklemepls]

Just as an observation, I don't see anybody hating on the guy who started this thread. A question was asked. Opinions were invited. It used to be that one could express the opinion that m/m tickling is gay without being dog-piled by the intolerant self-righteous. That day is long gone, it seems. The irony is that those who associate such an expressed opinion as "hate" or "insult," are making an undeniable inference that being gay is a bad or shameful thing. It isn't. And identifying a behavior as indicative of homosexuality or bisexuality is not an expression of "hate." So how about some of you gay rights activists climb down off your high horses and join the rest of us down here on Earth?

Is it really that outlandish to regard m/m tickling as homoerotic? We're talking about a dude tying up another dude and using his fingers to stimulate the other guy's nerve endings to evoke a response of pleasure (laughing). Forgive my saying, but that doesn't seem all that "Alpha Male" to me.

The "question" asked had NOTHING to do with asking if he was a closet gay or bi... The question was simply if other straight guys tickled other guys. So dog-piling on him calling him gay and bi is harsh and uncalled for. He stated at the beginning of his post it was NOT sexual yet people jump on him anyways. So yes, some of us "self-righteous" people feel the need to stick up for the OP when others are spreading hate and discontent.

 

[femfttickler21]

@MercilessTkl29...

Sorry to inform you that your thread has officially been sentenced to a slow and painful death. There are those on this forum that once they find a thread to sink their teeth into, will never relent and eventually steer the conversation so off track that you will never hope to find out what the original conversation began as.

If you are into tickling other guys and can enjoy it, then go for it. It is not for everyone, but if you are comfortable enough to do it then don't let others interfere. It isn't illegal what you are doing, so their opinions should not matter or change who you are anyway.

 

[nenezinho]

Just as an observation, I don't see anybody hating on the guy who started this thread. A question was asked. Opinions were invited. It used to be that one could express the opinion that m/m tickling is gay without being dog-piled by the intolerant self-righteous. That day is long gone, it seems. The irony is that those who associate such an expressed opinion as "hate" or "insult," are making an undeniable inference that being gay is a bad or shameful thing. It isn't. And identifying a behavior as indicative of homosexuality or bisexuality is not an expression of "hate." So how about some of you gay rights activists climb down off your high horses and join the rest of us down here on Earth?

Is it really that outlandish to regard m/m tickling as homoerotic? We're talking about a dude tying up another dude and using his fingers to stimulate the other guy's nerve endings to evoke a response of pleasure (laughing). Forgive my saying, but that doesn't seem all that "Alpha Male" to me.

As for the opinion side, I would like to ask you this:
What would you think a straight guy would feel if his male friends told him that tickling is gay, m/f, f/f, f/m...you pick what you like.

As for your interesting poing on regarding m/m as homoerotic:
Yes, it can be! No doubt! As much as m/f can be erotic or sexual. But they can both also be neither of that you know?
I have been to gatherings, I have played with a few share of female friends. There was never any sexual or erotic drama. We are and I hope we remain good friends 🙂

Honestly, I would like people to think outside the box.
The way in which we deal with things is not the be all, end all. Despite our life experience, and there are many way more experienced then me, we can never see or understand everything which is out there. And I think it comes with a great loss if we stand ourselves closed in just a single mindset.

But, as discussed, this is kind of off-topic and for that I am also to blame and sorry 🙂

Back on topic:
Myself I would not do it. But this is coming from the way I grew up....and maybe with the kind of experiences I have had with teammates. I tend to feel a bit off if I see M/M domination. Maybe because I have seen it when it was not really for fun and I wanted to stop it. And this kind of puts me in the wrong mindset.
I can absolutely believe that its possible to have m/m tickling just for fun or for sheer sub/domination play (which doesnt need to be sexual also!).
We boys already do tons of wrestling where we get quite close, we play indians and cowboys tying each other, we play with torture or arrest scenarios...all this is natural and goes on with boys. Tickling is also quite natural for kids and at those ages it doesnt know weather to be m/m or f/f or whatever....its pretty much whoemever is at hand.
I know that past a certain age there are other things happening with our bodies. True! But they dont happen all the time. As example: we dont get a hard on each time we go to the beach...but sometimes we do. Sometimes its one of those days when we feel our hormones. Other days its normal and its just another day with beautiful girls out there 🙂

So, in the end, everyone has to find out in whom they can trust. Everyone needs to get out, get to know people, see what vibe they get from them. And each one knows what they are looking for. Good luck to all in finding fun and joy is all I can say 🙂

But I think we did not need and we should not turn this into a sexual orientation discussion. And I refer to the 1st question I posed up here....its not really nice to be branded with labels, be them true or false. It never ever comes with a win.

 

[duderino84]

Hope everyone is having a restful and tickle-filled holiday season.

So I'm a reasonably expert tickler, 33 yo in the NE, and have always loved tickle torturing women. But because women into this are, comparatively speaking, rare -- I've started tying up and tickling the heck out of guys. It isn't sexual; it's more just the "who's more alpha male"/"can I break this person?" kind of curiosity. Are there any other straight guys who have tied up other guys, or been tied up?

Just to give you an idea of how intensely I take my sessions, recent pic is below 😈


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Well....no. I don't like openly discussing that before I started tickling women I was something of an aspiring sub from my earlier days. I don't know why , but tickling seemed to just correlate directly to sex/sexual urges. But I like tickling women. I like being in control. I like the "I make you happy" thoughts that go through my head when I tickle a woman. The TL;DR answer tho is I just don't friggin know. I just like talking with ppl that want to relate on this issue.

 

[shaolindog]

OP Dude, I'm a straight male 'ler. Tickling is like sex to me and the idea of tying up and tickling another guy is the most repulsive thing I can imagine. I don't like anything/M. I don't even want to see, hear or read about it. It's positively puke inducing for me. And as far as partaking of it because of a lack of lady 'lee partners? I've only been able to indulge my tickle/sex fetish once and that was more than ten years ago. No, I'd never consider tying and tickling another man under any circumstances.

Are you weird? No "weirder" than the rest of us.

 

[ShiningIce]

I enjoy f/m but not m/m

 

[DontAskJusTckle]

I do, however, think it's rather arbitrary for you to declare a person gay when he himself has said he isn't. I certainly don't think being gay is bad, but I just don't see why it's important for you that people identify with the orientation you assign to them.

I never declared him to be gay. I merely suggested that tying guys and tickling them is indicative of a move in that direction. Especially when you consider that he initially tied up and tickled women exclusively. Or maybe that was also nonsexual, "alpha male" behavior?

I can say I have had plenty of F/F fantasies myself, and I've been married to a man for over 20 years. No one demands that I come out of the closet as a lesbian.

Nor should they. After all, it's not like you've embarked on a career of tying and tickling women and then posted about it on the TMF. It's not like you posted a picture of one of your female victims to demonstrate how serious you are about it while simultaneously fishing for new ticklees.

The "question" asked had NOTHING to do with asking if he was a closet gay or bi... The question was simply if other straight guys tickled other guys.

Perhaps you should take another look. He also asked if we thought he was "weird." I took that to mean, out of the ordinary, unusual, or in any way a departure from the mainstream. I think homosexuality falls under that umbrella.

So yes, some of us "self-righteous" people feel the need to stick up for the OP when others are spreading hate and discontent.

And evidently even when nobody is spreading hate or discontent. But I guess some people can't resist the opportunity to strike a posture of self-righteous indignation even when there's nothing to be indignant about.

As for the opinion side, I would like to ask you this:
What would you think a straight guy would feel if his male friends told him that tickling is gay, m/f, f/f, f/m...you pick what you like.

I'd ask them to connect the dots and explain how a woman tickling a man is gay. You know, the way I explained how a man tying up and tickling another man is homoerotic.

As for your interesting poing on regarding m/m as homoerotic:
Yes, it can be! No doubt! As much as m/f can be erotic or sexual. But they can both also be neither of that you know?

Yes, I know. But that possibility seems unlikely in this particular case, given that the thread starter used to tickle women exclusively, and when he couldn't find any willing recipients, then and only then did he start tickling guys, which he says isn't sexual. Just "Alpha Male" superiority. But if that's true, why would he have focused his tickling strictly on women in the first place? There can be only one answer. Because the idea of tickling gave him an erotic thrill that his sexual orientation (at that time) insisted it be manifested in a m/f context. Since then he has compromised on his sexual preference, and has decided he's okay with getting an erotic thrill from tickling guys. But he can still claim to be "straight" because he doesn't want to have sex with them. Yet.

 

[kucheeku]

Since this has to do with the nature of who one would tickle, be it same sex or different sex, I will provide my sincerest opinion from my view.

Tickling is like sex to me and the idea of tying up and tickling a woman is the most repulsive thing I can imagine. I don't like anything/F. I don't even want to see, hear or read about it. It's positively puke inducing for me. Why? Because contrary to popular myth, being straight is not a trait that one inherits at birth. It is learned. An "acquired taste," so to speak. So, I'd rather go without than do this to a woman. I am repulsed at the idea of doing it to a woman. It's disgusting to me.

 

[berlinerbaer]

I understand that there are a few guys around who are absolutely straight, but love tickling guys for non-sexual reasons. And I don't think it is anyone's business to tell them they are gay / bi. However, I would recommend them to question their feelings. I am gay, and it took me many years to accept this fact. Indeed, all my gay friends went through a very similar process of discovering homoerotic feelings, hoping not to be gay, accepting to be maybe a little bit bi, to eventually accepting and later embracing the fact that they are gay.

So indeed whenever a guy wants to tickle other guys or be tikled by guys I suspect that he is somewhere on the road described above, and I wish everyone to arrive at the finish line - acceptance of one's sexuality - as fast and painlessly as possible. Hint: A good physical indicator that something sexual is going on in your (male) brain can be found between your legs. If it gets hard when you think about male/male tickling you should quit lying to yourself.

At the same time, let's not push those who aren't ready yet too much. And more importantly, leave those alone who have honestly challenged their sexual feelings and come to the conclusion that tickling is non-sexual for them. (Although for me, THAT is more weird than being homosexual :-D )

 

[shaolindog]

Since this has to do with the nature of who one would tickle, be it same sex or different sex, I will provide my sincerest opinion from my view.

Tickling is like sex to me and the idea of tying up and tickling a woman is the most repulsive thing I can imagine. I don't like anything/F. I don't even want to see, hear or read about it. It's positively puke inducing for me. Why? Because contrary to popular myth, being straight is not a trait that one inherits at birth. It is learned. An "acquired taste," so to speak. So, I'd rather go without than do this to a woman. I am repulsed at the idea of doing it to a woman. It's disgusting to me.

I feel sorry for you....

 

[rhiannon]

Whenever I see a thread like this, I wonder when we will stop giving sexual orientations names which can bring a shameful innuendo with them and let people just enjoy what they enjoy.

 

[ticklemepls]

Whenever I see a thread like this, I wonder when we will stop giving sexual orientations names which can bring a shameful innuendo with them and let people just enjoy what they enjoy.

It's impossible. The community as a whole tends NOT to be very accepting of things when it doesnt "float their boat" sort to speak... So people automatically jump on the "label them and degrade them" train ---- then people wonder why new people dont like posting around here. It's pathetic that as a community built to support one another in a fetish a lot of people feel the need to tip toe around what they post because of how a select few (and typically always the same ones) will react and what horrible/cruel things will be said.

 

[femfttickler21]

As someone stated in a different thread....."Its like kissing. I don't kiss my grandma the same way i kiss my boyfriend."

So given this example and peoples arguments in this thread, everyone in here (including myself) is into incest and pedophiles because if you do something sexually with one person then it is impossible to do it in a non-sexual way with another. I am certain that everyone has hugged and kissed a baby or child at some point. This also applies to adult relatives as the example that was given indicated as well. Heck let's go even more extreme and include beastiality, because most people have rubbed the back of a loved one before and also pet a cat or dog. We are all sick bastards that need professional help I fear to stop our horrible lifestyles. And as people have earlier stated in this thread, do not live in denial of who we really are.

 

[kucheeku]

I feel sorry for you....

The entire paragraph I last wrote is a lie.

I have absolutely zero problem with */F tickling.

If you look and research carefully, you'll find my entire paragraph was constructed from responses of a few individuals who---instead of taking a diplomatic stance by simply saying, "I'm not into it"---replied with the strongest, most insulting terms they could think of short of using the word "******."

There are straight guys who have privately contacted me and stated how fearful they are of coming out with their interest in m/m because of such responses. My simple point is to please understand, if you take TMF seriously as a community, please think of these guys going through this.

 

[ticklemepls]

If you look and research carefully, you'll find my entire paragraph was constructed from responses of a few individuals who---instead of taking a diplomatic stance by simply saying, "I'm not into it"---replied with the strongest, most insulting terms they could think of short of using the word "******."

There are straight guys who have privately contacted me and stated how fearful they are of coming out with their interest in m/m because of such responses. My simple point is to please understand, if you take TMF seriously as a community, please think of these guys going through this.

THIS.

 

[kucheeku]

THIS.

You are welcome.

 

[Deleted member 2452]

if you want to engage in m/m tickling that is your busines, but that makes you not straight, period! you may be bi-sexual at best.

steve

 

[rhiannon]

if you want to engage in m/m tickling that is your busines, but that makes you not straight, period! you may be bi-sexual at best.

Why? I say unless he doesn't get sexual feelings out of it, he's not bi-sexual.

For me personally, tickling is hard-wired to sexuality and I couldn't and wouldn't want to do it with a female. But I know it's not the same for everybody. I can dance with someone I find sexually attractive which will make me feel quite aroused. At the same time I can dance just to have fun with female friends and feel nothing that's related to sexual arousal.

I can totally see it possible with tickling as well.

 

[SadCuzNotTcklsh]

if you want to engage in m/m tickling that is your busines, but that makes you not straight, period! you may be bi-sexual at best.

steve

Whoa. Can you judge me too?

 

[TheSolemnOne]

No one will ever completely understand how the "tickling" gene works (maybe in another lifetime or later in ours), but maybe there are some people who are just into tickling in general regardless of sex. The action may be the driving force behind the euphoria, not the gender. While tickling can lead to sexual intercourse, that is not always the end goal. I am sure there are some males who may tickle other males, but would not entertain the idea of being in a relationship or having sex with another male. If some of you are arguing that a man tickling another man is somehow a "testament" to their homosexuality because of the touching that is involved, then might as well through MMA, football, and wrestling into that same category.

 

[DontAskJusTckle]

Here's something interesting.

The guy who started this thread went right from here to the personals and put out an ad looking for a male or female ticklee.

http://www.ticklingforum.com/showth...owthread.php?258617-Expert-Ler-or-M-or-F-Lees

Within an hour, he got a response from an interested female.

I'm guessing the drought is now over.

 

[Myriads]

Let's try a different approach:

Ones sexuality Hetrosexual, Homosexual, Bisexual, Queer, Pansexual is determined by which sort of Person one is attracted to in the pursuit of sexual gratification and related feelings (an oversimplification, but lets not write a book here)

A paraphilia, like tickling is an attraction to an Act. It is not needfully constrained by a gender. In fact it might be genderless (If you get hot from sticking your feet into a pot of oatmeal, doesn't much matter what gender you want to fuck)

Now in many cases a paraphilia is Constrained by the individuals greater gender orientation (I only get turned on being tickled by the opposite sex, or I only get turned on tickling the same sex) but it is not Needfully so constrained. The act alone might be sufficient for sexual arousal regardless of which gender it is served up by.

This is what I was speaking to earlier in my post way above. Gender and Paraphilia attractions need not be in lock step. They can float independently of each other, and be of different and even conflicting directions.

The boxes of sexual identity and psychology are not as simple or uniform in shape as many wish them to be.

Myriads

 

[TheSolemnOne]

Let's try a different approach:

Ones sexuality Hetrosexual, Homosexual, Bisexual, Queer, Pansexual is determined by which sort of Person one is attracted to in the pursuit of sexual gratification and related feelings (an oversimplification, but lets not write a book here)

A paraphilia, like tickling is an attraction to an Act. It is not needfully constrained by a gender. In fact it might be genderless (If you get hot from sticking your feet into a pot of oatmeal, doesn't much matter what gender you want to fuck)

Now in many cases a paraphilia is Constrained by the individuals greater gender orientation (I only get turned on being tickled by the opposite sex, or I only get turned on tickling the same sex) but it is not Needfully so constrained. The act alone might be sufficient for sexual arousal regardless of which gender it is served up by.

This is what I was speaking to earlier in my post way above. Gender and Paraphilia attractions need not be in lock step. They can float independently of each other, and be of different and even conflicting directions.

The boxes of sexual identity and psychology are not as simple or uniform in shape as many wish them to be.

Myriads

My thoughts exactly.

 

[DontAskJusTckle]

I get what Myriads is saying, but I don't believe it really changes anything. Suppose the paraplegia in question is the act of anal sex. Men and women both have penetrable asses. The guy doesn't care and will fuck either one.

Most people would describe this guy as bisexual because he engages in an activity that to him is sexually stimulating with men and women.

But according to some of the logic that's been laid out in this thread, this guy could fuck another guy in the ass, and still claim to be straight, because hey, his paraphernalia is to an act that is gender neutral.

My belief is that if you can get your rocks off by engaging in an activity with somebody of the same sex, you can't claim to be straight. But if you still want to insist that you are, go for it. Just don't be surprised when people correct you.

Maybe this whole thing really isn't as complicated as some wish it was.

 

[nenezinho]

I'd ask them to connect the dots and explain how a woman tickling a man is gay. You know, the way I explained how a man tying up and tickling another man is homoerotic.

Yes, I know. But that possibility seems unlikely in this particular case, given that the thread starter used to tickle women exclusively, and when he couldn't find any willing recipients, then and only then did he start tickling guys, which he says isn't sexual. Just "Alpha Male" superiority. But if that's true, why would he have focused his tickling strictly on women in the first place? There can be only one answer. Because the idea of tickling gave him an erotic thrill that his sexual orientation (at that time) insisted it be manifested in a m/f context. Since then he has compromised on his sexual preference, and has decided he's okay with getting an erotic thrill from tickling guys. But he can still claim to be "straight" because he doesn't want to have sex with them. Yet.

As warning, I do not think it works like this but I will show you how some vanila people can and would conect the dots about you:
. He needs to be tickled or tickle the girl to have sexual pleasure
. He doesnt get full sexual pleasure from normal standard sex
. There is something wrong with him
. Maybe he is not really into girls and he doesnt know.
. Because you know...guys could also tickle him or be tickled by him. There´s no need to have a m/f pair for tickling
. And tickling is such a girly thing anyway
. Maybe he is gay and he doesnt know
. If he was trully straight, he would be happy with having normal sex with the girls

Do you dont believe some vanila guys do this kind of train of thought when coming across with a tickling fetish?

About him being gay or not and in what percentage that may or may not be....that was never the point.
Even if he is indeed gay or bi, it is not up to us. If he is, so be it! Let him be! Same way as I hope we let straight people like me go around and tickle girls without calling me abuser or whatever.....I hope......

The only real answer he was looking for was: "No, you are not anymore weird then anyone of us, feel free to explore whatever you like as long as you respect others"