As warning, I do not think it works like this but I will show you how some vanila people can and would conect the dots about you:
Except, unlike my explanation, these are all demonstrably faulty, as I'll show you in a moment. My explanation laid out explicitly how a guy who used to tickle women exclusively as a fetish and now likes tickling guys as well has shifted from being 100% heterosexual to now having some degree of bisexuality. These arguments are riduculous.
. He needs to be tickled or tickle the girl to have sexual pleasure
That's an assumption, and a wrong one. The hypothetical me gets a sexual thrill from being tickled by women. That was the hypothetical scenario. We never established that this fetish is his sole means of achieving sexual gratification. Most guys that like being tickled by girls still like to have regular sex with them.
Strike one.
. He doesnt get full sexual pleasure from normal standard sex
A reiteration of the first wrong assumption, and therefore wrong as well.
Strike two.
. There is something wrong with him
So what? Unless you're perfect, there's something wrong with you, too.
Strike three. One out.
. Maybe he is not really into girls and he doesnt know.
Except the scenario assumes a guy into F/M. You offered, F/M, M/F, or F/F. I chose F/M. That means he is into girls and he knows it.
Strike one.
. Because you know...guys could also tickle him or be tickled by him.
Nope. Sorry. F/M is pretty gender specific, and precludes both of those possibilities.
Strike two.
. There´s no need to have a m/f pair for tickling
We're not talking about m/f. we're talking about f/m.
Strike three. Two outs.
. And tickling is such a girly thing anyway
Yes, which is why he only likes being tickled by...drum roll please....girls!
Strike one.
. Maybe he is gay and he doesnt know
Nope. He's into girls cause he likes girls. He knows what he likes, so he knows he isn't gay.
Strike two.
. If he was trully straight, he would be happy with having normal sex with the girls.
Ridiculous. "Straight" and "gay" refer to the gender orientation between you and the person with whom you are deriving sexual satisfaction, whether it's regular sex or fetish tickling. Hence, a "trully" straight guy can and will enjoy tickling with girls.
Strike three. Third out. You're done.
Do you dont believe some vanila guys do this kind of train of thought when coming across with a tickling fetish?
I suppose it's possible. But most of the guys I know ARE vanilla, and none of them are that stupid.
You touch on the exact issue that lies at the basis of the debate here. Is ones sexuality defined by oneself, or by others opinions of your actions?
The entirety of their sexuality is up to them. To what degree they are interested in the same or opposite genders is up to the individual to decide. How society views, identifies, and labels that degree is not up to the individual. According to societal norms, if some of your preferred sexuality happens with the same sex, you are bisexual.
How society views him, does not define him. It defines him in the context of the society in which he operates, but does not define what his individual sexuality is. Only he can do that. He also has the right to accept or reject societies judgement of his classification from without. His success in doing this projected in the real world of course can vary. But unto himself, he is the final arbitrator of what he is.
He can reject all he wants, but it won't change a thing. Society's label will stand, regardless. Whether it's tickling guys, or plonking their asses, as far as society's concerned, he's not straight, no matter how he chooses to self-identify.
Sorry, why can't he be repulsed by the thought of having gay sex? I would guess a lot of people are. I am. 🙂 There's a lot of sexual stuff that I am repulsed by, but I still don't judge people who do it as long as they don't expect me to do it. Really don't see anything wrong with what he said.
Because the guy who is offended by this notion thinks we shouldn't be grossed out by the thought of gay sex. For people like him, it's not enough for you or me to be tolerant of people with different gender preferences. We can't have any revulsion towards gay sex whatsoever or we're just as bad as those who use terms like ******, polesmoker, bone-smuggler, etc.
It's an absurd posture in my opinion, especially given that many (most?) lesbians regard the idea of sex with a man to be as repugnant and puke-inducing as straight guys do.
but I have a question... how could someone be gay if they are not attracted to men?
They can't. But if they like tickling guys, then the guys' potential ticklishness becomes the attraction. "Hey look at this guy! I'll bet he's really ticklish!" SHPROINGG. Little Elvis stands at attention.
I thought this place was more progressive-thinking than that.
Good grief, I certainly hope not.
You really deserve any flack you get for backwards opinions like that.
I have that exact same opinion, word for word, about you and the things you've said.
The guy didn't even said that the thrill he gets is a sexual thrill, and yet you rush to declare him to secretly want it up the butt...lol.
Feel free to point out where I've made this declaration. Otherwise, I'm officially declaring bullshit.
I don't mind it if people can't mentally disassociate something (like tickling) from sexuality and thus finding it repulsed when the same gender does it to them. That's perfectly normal. But not everyone's feelings are like that, and I wonder how many in this thread just refrain from it because they are of "catching the gay" if they did such a thing. xD
Throughout my entire life, I've discussed tickling with many people who are without the fetish. With few exceptions, just about every guy in these discussions thought that a guy tickling another guy was at least borderline. They look at it like two guys dancing, or spooning. Some regard it as flat out gay. Others regard it as "suspicious" at the very least.
Sorry to bust your bubble, but you don't need to associate tickling with sex to associate two guys tickling as homo-erotic.
Secondly, many straight guys want to hold on to their heterosexuality. It's important to them to identify as being straight. So their reluctance to tickle or be tickled by another guy is certainly understandable and even commendable.
Why limit the recipient's ass to a homosapien?
How about a sheep, or a goat or a cat or a dog?
Does that change the fact that an asshole is just another orifice?
Do you check the sex of the animal before you determine if it's a GAY act or not?
Where do you draw the line?!?
A rather disturbing and horrifying direction to take, but I guess it does apply. The ass-fucker can say, "Hey, my paralegalia is not only gender nonspecific. It's SPECIES non-specific! Doesn't make me a bestialitist, cause I'm...you know....not attracted to them. Just their asses."
I'm not sure about this thread going in circles, but the logic has certainly gone out the window. Obviously there are some here who want to change the definition of what people who are truly straight/heterosexual individuals really is.
Yes there are. And then there are those of us who are simply interested in clarifying what preferred behaviors qualify somebody as straight, gay, or somewhere in between.
