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are you paying too much for your vids??

amkes

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so I noted something with the videos that I buy. alot of producers lets say charge you $9.99 for 9 minute and you get a vid with 2minutes of intro and then another 2 minutes of the intro(now the credits) again at the end. so I just payed $9.99 for really a 5 minute vid. then there are some that say charge $7.99 for a 9 minute vid same thing i am really paying for a 5 minute vid again even though it says it is a 9minute video. there are some producers that due it right and the vid is 9 min plus there intro/credits for $9.99.

so the question is now is do you pay the right amount for a video???

note: I don't want to hear ohh it is a producers right to charge that for a pay per minute video and if you fall for it ohh well. I am asking simple if are paying for the the "meat and potatoes" or the "filler" lol
 
It seems to me that a producer could sell more clips at under $10 than over $10. I seldom spend more than $10 on a clip. For me to spend more than $10 on a clip, it has to be irresistibly hot. It seems that they would make more money volume-wise if they were to make shorter clips and sell them for less. These are tough economic times. Another thing is that after I have watched a particular girl's feet getting tickled for 5 to 10 minutes, that is usually enough, and then I want to see another one...variety is the spice of life. When I do buy a marathon length clip for say, $15-$20, I usually wish that I had bought three or four 5 minute clips instead for variety.
 
One thing to keep in mind is that Clips4Sale, to some extent, forces you to charge a certain price for your clips. That price falls within a certain window, which gets narrower the shorter the clip is.

For example, a 26-minute video such as "Barbie vs. Nastasha" (from my own store) can go as low as $12.99, but a 5-minute video can only go as low as $4.99.

That's not to say that some producers aren't guilty of padding out their videos so that they can charge more, but it's a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't situation because some people ask producers why they don't include more before-and-after/interview/tying up-type stuff in the video if you leave it out, but other people complain about "filler" if you put it in. And, if the video is short enough anyway, putting it in will jack up the minimum price of the video and you have no control over that. Generally, though, I try and price my videos such that you're not paying for the extra stuff.

And no, cheaper clips don't sell any better simply by virtue of being cheaper. By that logic, "Kiki's Tickle Test" and "Teri is Ticklish" should be my top sellers, as they're only $2.99. They're not. For a while, it was actually the full-length, 15-minute version of "Catalina Siri and the Tickle Torture of Doom". (It's currently "Julie is Ticklish"; people love her to death, it seems!)

And while we're on the subject, I once heard it said that if producers offered more free stuff, we'd sell more. That's also a crock. I offered a ton of freebies when BvN first came out and still didn't sell a single copy.
 
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You can't really say that your experience of the buying patterns of customers is the same for every producer. So much has to do with so many things like the cuteness of the model, the sexiness of their feet, the camera work, the tickling technique, etc. That is why clip buyers shop and why previews are so important to sales. You should consider directing prospective customers to your Youtube page, because the previews are much better than what C4S provides. You may be happy to know that after seeing these previews I have added a couple of your clips to my 'buy list'. As an aside, most of the clips at Tickle Addiction are in the $5-$6 range and are many of them excellent. It can be done.
 
Good topic mustang. I think there is a dollar amount threshold that would decrease demand once it's crossed. I think he term is "price point?" Business majors correct me if I'm wrong. But basically it's a price where people are suddenly going to say "no, that's too much". Selling clips just below that threshold maximizes demand and profits selling more clips. I think prices like $4.99 and $9.99 take advantage of this concept or any price that ends in .99.

Back in the day $40 bucks was too much. The $10 clips are much more affordable and I'm sure producers make more than they did back then.

They say if you give it out for free people will come. Yes and no. People will come if the product is liked. Give them just enough to wet their pallet with the good stuff being sold at market value. People will get accustomed to using your product/service that they'll NEED to have more. If the product isn't valued, one will never get anyone to buy it. Hell, a guy couldn't even give it away. If the freebies satisfy the needs of the user....then there is no incentive to buy. "Why see that movie, all the funny lines were in the trailer".
 
This is a great topic. Sole Mates was right on about the C4S pricing structure. If a clip is 3 minutes, you can't sell it for less than 2.99. To some extent, that is why the DVDs and Blurays on my own site tend to be a lot cheaper, because I am not limited by that. For example, Haley & Ivy's 1st Adventure Full DVD was 30 minutes long. And that's 29:57 of tickling...no credits or pad. I put it on C4S as a single downloadable file and I was able to charge $24.99 for it. On our site, it's available on DVD or Bluray for $13.
Most fo the sales of this vid were the $24.99 download, because people don't want to wait for shipping, I suppose. But if I had to choose between $24.99 for a download and $13 for a DVD, I'd buy the DVD every time.
 
You can't really say that your experience of the buying patterns of customers is the same for every producer.

This is absolutely true. I speak only for myself and my observations aren't meant to be taken as read for every producer out there. At this point I think I'm ready to admit that I really have no idea what I'm doing.

So much has to do with so many things like the cuteness of the model, the sexiness of their feet, the camera work, the tickling technique, etc. That is why clip buyers shop and why previews are so important to sales. You should consider directing prospective customers to your Youtube page, because the previews are much better than what C4S provides.

This is actually an interesting point. As far as YouTube goes, my channel, since it opened, has seen a LOT of traffic in terms of views and subscribers, but that activity doesn't actually translate into sales in any meaningful way. Also, you mentioned the previews I have posted there; at least one of those previews, when I posted it here, earned me verbal abuse from a couple of posters because the model's reactions weren't up to their standards.

You may be happy to know that after seeing these previews I have added a couple of your clips to my 'buy list'.

'preciate it. I do notice that buying tends to run in cycles; people buy clips roundabout the times paychecks are issued (middle/end of the month) and sometimes a slow month is followed by a great one.

As an aside, most of the clips at Tickle Addiction are in the $5-$6 range and are many of them excellent. It can be done.

Yup. Don't get me wrong, I'm definitely not saying my clips are the absolute best in the business and that there isn't any room for improvement. Just that in general, I think it's safe to say that there's two types of producers in this market; the ones who are pulling enough volume that they can charge whatever they feel like, and the guys like me who aren't making jack and can't afford to undercut themselves. I just lowered the price on a bunch of old clips to the absolute minimum that C4S allows, and they still aren't selling. Some of 'em are quite good; "Ash is Ticklish" is one of my best early clips and yet it's sold one copy in the entire time it's been up.
 
I love you producers, I really do, but I don't understand the business aspect of what you do.

We're a niche audience, I couldn't think there'd be more of a million of us TOPS. You guys can't be making a good living off of what you do! Why do you stick to it?

(And if I can encroach a bit... How many sales do you get on an 'average' clip? Don't worry, I'm in pharmacy school, I won't try to join the fray.)
 
(And if I can encroach a bit... How many sales do you get on an 'average' clip? Don't worry, I'm in pharmacy school, I won't try to join the fray.)

It really, really varies. Some of the big names make a living off of this stuff; IE, they make enough money to pay their rent and buy groceries and what-not. I've heard tell that most folks simply break even each time they produce a clip, which lets them keep going even if they never actually make a profit. Me? I've been losing money steadily since day one. The only model that I hired that made back her session fee was Julie, and she was the cheapest model I hired. I lost a fairly large chunk of money on Barbie and Natasha. Natasha was supposed to do a series of belly-dancing clips for me that never materialized. It's probably just as well, given how poorly her other material has sold.

Why do we do it? Hard to say. It probably varies by producer. Most of us, though, I'd say we do it because on some level, it's fun. I personally enjoy working with the girls, coming up with new clip ideas, editing the stuff together to make it look good, and creating the graphics. I've made a couple of friends doing this, and I'm able to keep my costs a lot lower than some of the other guys. That said, though, I currently make an average of about $30 per model (not per clip, per MODEL). They... cost more than that to hire.

That doesn't bother me. I realize that it takes time to build a customer base. Currently, I consider myself lucky in that most of my business is repeat business; I don't have a lot of customers, but the ones that I do have, come back on a regular basis. I still get excited over every E-mail I get from Clips4Sale telling me I've sold something.

I'd say the only thing about this that I don't like is the folks who tell me how great my stuff is, but never actually buy it. I made the mistake early on of predicting that positive feedback would result in sales. So far, it hasn't. There's definitely a business aspect to this whole thing that I haven't quite grasped just yet. Still, it's an interesting challenge. Hopefully one day I'll figure it out.
 
I love you producers, I really do, but I don't understand the business aspect of what you do.

We're a niche audience, I couldn't think there'd be more of a million of us TOPS. You guys can't be making a good living off of what you do! Why do you stick to it?

(And if I can encroach a bit... How many sales do you get on an 'average' clip? Don't worry, I'm in pharmacy school, I won't try to join the fray.)

I'd be willing to bet most of these producers do it for the love of tickling. The money probably barely cover the costs.
 
Soul Mates, I respect your efforts to produce a product that all of us on this blog are dependent upon. What would we do without the clip producers, go back to looking through women's swim suit magazines to get our 'foot fix'? Most folks don't know what a hassle you producers go through to produce these clips. Back to business now...I have my eye on a couple of your clips. My 'thing' is models that express the ticklishness of their feet by curling, spreading, and wiggling their toes. I don't know why, but that is the pervy fact of the matter for me. In your judgment, which of your clips (or, which model) features wiggly, dancing toes the best? I want to have a good experience the first time and if I do I will be back for more, that is my usual pattern.
 
GQGuy, I didn't realize that you are brilliant. Do you have a business degree or are you self-taught? You gave an excellent class on the economics of clip buying.
 
Soul Mates, keep hiring attractive models with sexy, ticklish feet, use some imagination to set yourself apart...maybe with some exotic foot tickling techniques, or some simple role-playing, and you will rise up the popularity and sales charts. You have one thing going for yourself and that is that you are a foot tickling fetishist yourself. I have always felt that the best videos are done by those who have foot tickling fetishes themselves (as opposed to those who do it only for money). A far as expensive models go, Mike the Tickler who produces the 'Ticklish Girls' C4S store gets girls right off of the street and most of them were great. I'll bet that he didn't have to pay much for them. Erotic imagination is a relatively unexplored area when it comes to the foot tickling clip arena. There is so much that could be done with that to get the buyers climbing the walls and coming back for more.
 
LOL - I totally did not intend to hijack this thread, even though there isn't much more to say on the original topic. I'll keep this short.

(Mustang, I'll PM you in a moment with my recommendations.)

There are a couple of things as a producer that I absolutely will not do. I realize this will probably hurt my business in the long run, but that's just the way it is. I will not do nudity, I will not do roleplaying, and most importantly, I will not mislead anyone, client or model.

And on that last note, while I don't know Mike the Tickler's work personally, I will caution you all to take anything a producer says about how he got a model to work with him or the circumstances under which a video is shot with a huge grain of salt, because I know for a fact that some of them lie, either to the girls about the purpose of the video (that's why they get them so cheap; the girls don't know they're doing foot porn) or to you about how they hired her (she's not a rando off the street doing it because she loves to show off her feet; he slipped her a twenty before hitting Record). Also, I'd be surprised if a lot of these guys filming "girls on the street" are collecting IDs and filling out their 2257s for all of these clips. It's a felony if they don't, but they're generally not going to get caught unless someone files a complaint. Also, some of these guys are just super-creepy; you can see it on the video. Sometimes it looks like the girl never consented to the guy touching them but they're willing to play along because the camera's rolling. Are they squirming and laughing nervously? Dead giveaway, but the guy's never going to see her again so what does he care as long as he got his footage (and jollies)? Me, I'm trying to build professional relationships with these women so that they're not only comfortable with coming back, but they WANT to because they had fun.

Anyway, what GQ said about price points is spot on; most of my sales are on my $5-$10 videos, although some of Catherine's more expensive stuff sold fairly early on. It's also spot on with regards to models; there's a price point below which the girls simply won't bother with you, and the more they're willing to do, the more money they'll ask for because they know what they're worth. It's why I don't work with professional fetish models (Barbie was an exception; I didn't know she'd modeled for FM Concepts until we chatted after the shoot); they charge hundreds of dollars an hour.

And speaking of that, these girls charge by the hour, so it's pretty much a given that unless you rush, a shoot will take more than an hour. Some of them even expect a minimum shoot time (one girl answered my ad and demanded at least two hours' work). You'd be surprised how much time gets eaten up just by adjusting the camera to frame the shot right.

Finally, while I like amateurs as much as the next guy (Valerie was one), the pros are often just better on camera. The amateur girls get nervous, look at the camera, or simply aren't good to work with for various reasons. This isn't always the case, but I've had the best luck with professional models who don't normally do fetish work.

Anyway, TL;DR - it's a much more complicated business than people give it credit for. Especially if you don't simply want to do the same thing everyone else is doing.
 
At the risk of sounding like an old fart......

I was foraging for tickle media before the Internet went commercial in the early '90s, and I'd often wind up buying VHS tapes at porn stores for 40-80 bucks.

Trust me, youngsters, you are getting a damn good deal at a buck per minute. I get it --- this is the web, damn it, and you have a right to bitch, but you also need to have some historical perspective in the mix.
 
At the risk of sounding like an old fart......

I was foraging for tickle media before the Internet went commercial in the early '90s, and I'd often wind up buying VHS tapes at porn stores for 40-80 bucks.

Trust me, youngsters, you are getting a damn good deal at a buck per minute. I get it --- this is the web, damn it, and you have a right to bitch, but you also need to have some historical perspective in the mix.

But omaha... There are dozens of playlists that have full (Pirated?) videos online for free. When you have hundreds of videos to pick from, the stuff you have to pay for has to be high quality and cheap.

(Again, I'm still on my parent's dime and I can't run up their credit card buying clips or they'll get suspicious... That's not a convo I want to have.)
 
Am I missing something about the minimum prices for clips? SoleMates says that a 5-minute clip can be sold for as low as $4.99, and The Tickleshow says a 3-minute clip can be sold for $2.99. But to my knowledge, the minimums are actually $5.99 and $3.99, respectively (which is even worse). Is there’s something that’s not working properly on my side for some reason?

Thing is, in some cases I would love to be able to sell my clips for less. For instance, if I could sell 5-minute clips for $4.99, I would. But I can only select as low as $5.99. Which is really annoying, because the minimum price is the same for a 6-minute clip, so even if a scene could be done in 5 minutes, I feel I have to shoot a bit more so that customers can get an extra minute for the same price. The same applies to clips that are 9 and 10 minutes long, the minimum price for both being $8.99. I really hate the limitations C4S puts on the minimum prices. These are our clips, after all. Shouldn’t we be allowed to sell them for whatever price we want?

Going back to my initial question, is there really a way I can sell 5-minute clips for $4.99 and 3-minute clips for $2.99? Because if it’s possible I’ll make the appropriate changes. But I don’t seem to be able to do that.
 
Am I missing something about the minimum prices for clips? SoleMates says that a 5-minute clip can be sold for as low as $4.99, and The Tickleshow says a 3-minute clip can be sold for $2.99. But to my knowledge, the minimums are actually $5.99 and $3.99, respectively (which is even worse). Is there’s something that’s not working properly on my side for some reason?

I just double-checked one of the five-minute clips in my store, and you're correct.
 
I totally wish most producers would sell a monthly membership with a flat rate. Tickle Abuse did that and I damn sure got my moneys worth.
 
Yeah, my apologies...you were correct.

That's quite alright, no need to apologize. I was just confused for a while, there.

I don't know if anyone noticed this, but a few years ago it was possible to "cheat" by selecting a duration that was a little shorter than the clip's actual duration, allowing one to set a lower price than would normally be possible. I think you could only lower it by one minute (maybe two, I'm not sure), but I was happy to be able to lower the price of some of my clips, even if it was just by one dollar. Unfortunately, one day I found out that this trick didn't work anymore, the system automatically detecting a clip's duration and not allowing any changes.

Again, I really wish the C4S people would let us sell our own videos for whatever price we want.
 
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