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Blackstar216

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Sure there are some points made in this article that make some sense. However, it just doesn't take into account that many children simply love being tickled simply because it's fun. They like it for what it is, not what it represents. So maybe the author might need to visit a place like this and read some of the childhood tickling stories we love to brag about here.


http://www.parentleaders.org/articles/why-not-tickle-my-child.html
 
VaTickler said:
Sure there are some points made in this article that make some sense. However, it just doesn't take into account that many children simply love being tickled simply because it's fun. They like it for what it is, not what it represents. So maybe the author might need to visit a place like this and read some of the childhood tickling stories we love to brag about here.


http://www.parentleaders.org/articles/why-not-tickle-my-child.html


The Author of that article obviously did little research prior to its' being written.

TTD
 
What a stupid, unresearched, piece of trash. For god sake can't there be some middle ground for this person?
 
Hrm.... Okay sure, I'll give him that if parents are too rough or constantly go overboard, then yeah maybe it would affect them a bit to the negative, but I don't think he has much understanding of the concept at all... Let's find him and tickle him!! Give him a first-person experience of the situation.. *giggles*
 
Indeed Acorna. That's what I meant by there seems to be no middle groud. He's probably one of the same people that say you shouldn't kiss your child goodnight because they find it sexually threatening.
Excuse me...I have to go shake my daughter's hand and put her to bed.
 
and PFT.. My mom didn't tickle me when I was little and look how I turned out.. I have issues out the whazzoo with her.. of course.. that might be related to my older sister and mom's 2 failed marriages though..
 
That story was simply assinine. The author sounds like my cousin who wrote child pschyology books. They changed completely after he had children.
 
On some levels, HER (yes, the author was female) has some useful hints for general tips. But like I said before, she really doesn't attempt to make any acocunt for the fact that the SENSATION of tickling is simply very pleasurable for some people. But definitely not all people. We of all people should know that tickling isn't for everyone and no, not all children like being tickled. Matter of fact, I 100% HATED being tickled by adults when I was young. It did make me feel vulnerable and without power when that happened (as if being small wasn't enough). I had no love for being tickled by adults at all. And yes, when a child says that they don't enjoy it, then they shouldn't be tickled.
But as far as when a child ASKS to be tickled, her entire argument is BUNK! Fact is, some kids looooooove being tickled. If the motive of the kid is to enjoy the company of the adult, then any activity will do! Fishing, baseball game, reading a book together, playing catch.......But if tickling is requested, then guess what, lady!? The kid enjoys the tickling for the tickling, not who's doing it.
 
Couldn't have said it better myself, Va. The very idea that if a child asks to have fun with tickling and therefore he MUST be desperate for some contact, ANY cantact because you are SUCH a rotten neglectful parent that it's the only way he can be close to you. Thanks for your advise/insult! I'ts a pity that none of us can speak on behalf of our community against the author's so called educated opinions because coming from us they'd find a way to twist it into some weird perverted thing.
 
nessonite said:
Couldn't have said it better myself, Va. The very idea that if a child asks to have fun with tickling and therefore he MUST be desperate for some contact, ANY cantact because you are SUCH a rotten neglectful parent that it's the only way he can be close to you. Thanks for your advise/insult! I'ts a pity that none of us can speak on behalf of our community against the author's so called educated opinions because coming from us they'd find a way to twist it into some weird perverted thing.

Actually I will respond to them via their "Contact Us". I will print/post my response to them here later on this evening after I write to them.
IF and or when they respond back to me, I will post that response as well.

TTD

Ps. Perhaps others should do the same but if you do, I ask that you do it in a constructive manner while keeping it very passionate and serious and now allow them to "twist it into some weird perverted thing".
 
nessonite said:
I'ts a pity that none of us can speak on behalf of our community against the author's so called educated opinions because coming from us they'd find a way to twist it into some weird perverted thing.

When I first saw the article, I searched the site a for her profile, but it didn't list her e-mail address. I figured the "contact us" link would be sort of like "customer service" for your phone company. They just won't bother.
 
VaTickler said:
When I first saw the article, I searched the site a for her profile, but it didn't list her e-mail address. I figured the "contact us" link would be sort of like "customer service" for your phone company. They just won't bother.


Actually if you click on her name at the top of the article, it takes you to a bio of her but there is no Email address specifically for her. The only way to write to her is through the "Contact Us" in the tool bar which is what I plan to do later on this evening when I have the time.

They claim they will respond. Keyword is CLAIM.

TTD
 
Before I wasted my time writting my comments to the author, I sent in Inquiry to the "Contact Us" and am awaiting their reply with info on where to send it.
She needs to be educated.

I will keep you informed on the progress, if any. For those who care. :redface:


TTD
 
I care, TTD! I'm sure you will drag her ass through the dirt very well.
 
We always care, TTD. Quite a story, indeed, seems she didn't do much in the way of research. She did say that too much is bad, but that's a common sense thing. Just goes to show you, don't comment unless you truely understand what you speak of.
 
Much to my amazement...

....I got a reply from Patty Wipfler and in a mere 24 hours after I made first contact!
I will make my "point" or OUR point, to her after Thanksgiving, probably on Friday after work. I, like I said, will post my letter here as well.

I wanna read her Article again too so all of what she stated will be fresh in my mind and I will want to hit her with some cold hard FACTS as opposed to her reckless opinion and mis-conseptions. :happy: 🙄


TTD


Ps. Thanks for caring! :happy: 🙂
 
Here is my response to the author of the article

Any and or all of you can write to her too. She openly invited me to write to her and welcomed my comments and response.
I just did write this to her. She may respond or visit here too but if not, I will post her reply back to me.




Hi Patty,

As promised, I wanted to address your collumn/commentary and or opinion in your article on/about tickling.
I will try not to ramble too much but I do indeed believe, as do many others, that you failed to research the topic enough and subsequently, have made a false judgement against tickling and those who.......tickle and or for that matter LOVE to BE tickled. Not sure if you know or knew that there are thousands upon thousands if not more, who love to tickle and BE tickled.

Whether or not you did indeed visit certain sites where you will/would see that.

Sooooooo, for openers, here are a few of the sites or "Forums". The first two, you do NOT have to be a member to view the posts but would have to be a member to view most of the posts and or material within. The third one listed, you do have to be a member to view anything in the forum.

Membership in all three is free, so you can, discretely join and research all therein, incognito, thus getting a better grip on tickling and those who share the passion OF it.

1.) http://tickletheater.com

2.) http://ticklingforum.com

3.) http://tklovers.com/forum/

Some of the quotes you made in your article I have left in and will address them specifically.

Generally, I believe along with many others, you were way off base in how you made tickling out to be. I will place a star * in front and at the end of each of your statements. My response will be in brackets [ ] followng. Hope I don't confuse you. You seem to be an open and intelligent person(lady), unlike "Dear Abbey" and "Ann Landers" who are clueless about life let alone the subject at hand, in my opinion. So, I am sure you can take this and perhaps grow and learn something you may not have know about before and in turn, write another article with that different viewpoint.





*Tickling is one of those customary kinds of play that is passed down from generation to generation through our families. It deserves to be thought about more carefully, as it's a form of play that can, despite good intentions, hurt a child.*

[Tickling, to most, is a form of affection and playfulness between parents and their children. As a child, my mom would pin me down and tickle me senseless all the time and I loved it. We and or she, would tickle her female friends all the time too and not one of THEM were damaged by it nor was I. The older I got, the more I got "into" tickling both being the tickler and the one tickled(ticklee).]

*Adults and children often feel differently about tickling, although those differences may go unspoken. Adults usually perceive it as a playful activity. It gets children laughing, so tickling looks, on the surface, like a kind of play that children enjoy, and that is good for them. And indeed, some children ask their parents for tickling games. Parents are usually delighted to be asked — it feels great to have an instant way to laugh and be playful together.*

[An accurate statement. I often either asked to be tickled as a child or baited someone, in various ways, into tickling me!]



*In my many years of listening to adults talk about the emotional challenges of their lives as children, tickling comes up again and again as an experience that has been hurtful. *

[Here I think you have only listened to a narrow range of adults and their experiences during childhood relating to ticking and have only witnessed the negative as opposed to widening your range and talking to those who had nothing but positive reactions as opposed to publishing only the negative.]

*I've listened to a number of adults who can't relax when others are physically close to them--they can't sleep through the night with a trusted partner, or are internally on guard any time there's more than casual touching between them and someone they love. When asked what they are afraid of, their memories go straight to being tickled as children, and not being able to get the tickler to stop.*

[You would get the same response and reaction to those who were physically abused and beaten during childhood. By comparison, you will find this to be the case far more than those who were merely tickled and eventually, some of the ones tickled in childhood grow to be "into it" just like those who have been physically beaten or abused, end up being in relationships where physically abuse is present. Just like women will stay married to their husbands who physically abuse them.]

*What makes tickling problematic is that children may not be able to say when to stop, or to get away when they want to. Most of us remember unpleasant or frightening times when we wanted a tickler to stop, but we were laughing so hard we couldn't tell them. Even worse was when we said "Stop!" or tried to escape, and the tickler continued on anyway. Often, while adults are tickling a child, they think they're aware of what's too much and when to stop. But it's easy to overwhelm a child without knowing it.*

[Here I believe you are making a blanket statement that ALL adults do this. Which is not the case. Also, more times than not, children even if tickled to the point you state, they come back for more. Also, a natural reaction to being tickled, is to say "Stop" even if one does not really mean it or want it to stop. This happens even in Adult Tickle play. Stop does not necessairally mean stop and even IF it does, they may indeed want more shortly after.]

*In general, we want our children to be able to say when touching doesn’t feel right to them. Expecting children to enjoy tickling or to tolerate tickling because we are trying to play with them doesn't help a child develop his own sense of what is appropriate. We want children to feel powerful enough to say what they like and don’t like. *

[Here, I think you are misleading. Tickling a childs ribs or feet is far different and should not be compared to or related to touching a child in an inappropriate place or sexual manner and the way you presented this, appears as if you are.]





*Parents and children crave times together when there's lots of free-flowing laughter and playful contact. It's so good for us to play, so good for us to be in touch with each other. We parents become attached to tickling because it seems to be a handy shortcut to laughter. We long to know that our children are happy and responsive to us.*

[Tickling is not a handy short cut to laughter between parents and children. However IF you were to take a "poll", people who grew up with tickling are far more affectionate and playful than those who were NEVER tickled by their parents as children.]

*But my child asks to be tickled!*

[A child who genuinly hated to be tickled would not ask to be tickled.]



There are many adults now who have lived through what you negatively portray and have either grown to be loving affectionate adults or have grown to LOVE tickling and or being tickled.

Maybe you think that is a bad thing too for if we were not tickled as children we would not have grown to have what is negatively portrayed as a "Tickle Fetish". That would be wrong too because some adults who hated being tickled as children and or as adults have suddenly grown to like it and to a lot of folks, it has turned into a "Turn on".

Bottom line is a blanket prognosis may not be true for all and should not be presented as such.



Visit the sites I mentioned. 90 percent of adults into tickling were introduced to it as children and have been INTO tickling and or being tickled since childhood.

The sites I mentioned are only the tips of the ice bergs. There are hundreds if not more and there are 10's of thousands of us out here.

If you have any questions.......feel free to ask either me and or those on the sites I presented to you.



Most Sincerely,



Ed D
 
Excellent work, TTD. There are so many things I'd love to write to this person but I lack the eloquence that you seem to posses and if I tried I'd be here all night. You covered it all very well though. Thanks from all of us!
 
Well, I must say I see the author's point.

VA was quite right on the matter: not everybody likes being tickled.

I've just posted a memory of mine about a female friend.
She'd been tickled tortured as a child for all night - and she developed a trauma about it.

Jokingly I proposed to tickle her - and she almost fainted with sheer, plain, clear terror.
She was afraid. And that's the kind of tickling the author is writing about.

Sure, it goes a bit overboard: it almost says "don't pet your children or you'll break them".

And overprotecting them is just as bad as not protecting them at all.


Abusing them - even with tickling - is a thing. Being playful and "wicked" in a healthy way is another.

I'd say this psychologist writes for the hapless parents who'd wash the pijamas with their child inside, and have to be reminded everytime to take the brat out. 😀 😀 😀

Keep in mind we are adult. We are strong and in control. We can lose it - for sexual interlude or foreplay - by our choice and for a short time.

It's easier to lessen a strict law than to make up one where none was there before.


Let's not feel insulted here. Tickling for us is a fetish, for some children is a torture.
And we're not talking about a fantasy, here. 🙂


My 2 eurocents! Be cheerful and just tickle your grownup neighbours - see if they've been tickled enough in their childhood! 😀


EDIT:
I've just read TtD's post; excellent, I'd say. 🙂
Let's just hope that psychologist is wide-minded enough. 😀
Or she'll end up saying that tickling your children turns them into pervs! 😀 😀 😀

...

Er... please, keep us informed on the outcome. 🙂

Reg's.
 
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Kalamos,

What your friend went through is the extreme. It seems it was used as torture of sorts as opposed to "play tickling".
I see her point IF that is where she is going but to me it did not seem she was talking about real torture tickling of children by their parents. Were she is, I believe, is between playful and where some of us are as adults tickling each other. Children are not adults...... but I don't think she was giving the benefit of the doubt and using any "regular" tickle play as being......a bad thing.


TTD
 
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