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At what point does posting candid pictures on a fetish site become creepy?

Filthyweasel

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In my opinion, the moment the poster clicks the 'submit new thread' button. I'm all for posting shoots of a consensual session as long as the 'lee says it's fine, but I see 'candid' pics all the time. Hell, there are websites devoted to candid feet pictures. 'Candid' is a nice, politically correct way of saying 'a picture taken surreptitiously and without permission'. In some respects it's fine if it's just a regular social site and it's an innocent picture (eg. someone posting a candid pic on facebook and saying 'where can I get this dress?), but posting them on a fetish site? There's very little difference between posting a picture of a girl you saw on the street and saying 'I bet she's ticklish huh-huh-huh' and pretending to lose your change and taking a picture up a woman's skirt. At that point, it doesn't matter how innocent the picture is (I've seen plenty of pictures on here over the years that say 'this is my new room mate...I wonder if she's ticklish!' If you don't know then you obviously didn't ask your new room mate if you could take the picture of her and post it on a tickle fetish forum). If it's on a fetish site, then it's posted for about 80,000 people to fap to, whether everything is left to the imagination or not. That...is creepy.
 
It is rude to take anyone's photograph without consent, fetish or no.
 
I won't pretend that I dislike candids per se, but I agree that posting them on a fetish site without the models' permission or knowledge is iffy at best. But I think it's significantly worse when the photographer/videographer actually sells the material, like through Clips4Sale.com or the like. It seems there are several sites like that. Even in those cases when the models are posing willingly (possibly approached by a funny stranger who tells them some bogus story) I'm pretty sure they're not always told what the material will be used for. I seriously doubt they all give their informed, written consent, or get paid for it. And that's deplorable.
 
It is rude to take anyone's photograph without consent, fetish or no.

This. And thank God, in Germany it's not only rude, it's illegal.

Posting the pic is definitely not right, but there's a massive difference between photographing feet (a "public" body part) and upskirts of vaginas (a "private" body part).

Is it really? Why is a picture of a pussy "private"? Right, because it's about sexuality. If you post a picture of feet on a fetish site, it's about sexuality as well. So it makes it the same damn thing.
 
Agreed, candid pics are pretty invasive, especially if you're uploading them on a fetish site for others to fap over.
 
What's the difference between a foot or a vagina if you're doing the same thing looking at the foot pic that a vanilla dude might do when looking at a vag pic?

I'd be pissed if someone took a picture of me AT ALL, even if it was a picture of an ear or an elbow, and put it on some kind of adult website for masturbatory fodder.
 
What I think is even worse is when people post pictures like Graduation Photos, Facebook finds, etc etc with girls who happen to be barefoot in the pictures.. but that's juuuuuuuust me.
 
Yeah, the whole candid-shots being uploaded without the person's knowledge purely for spanking-material is, to say the least, a little bit creepy.
 
You aren't walking around in the nude, that's part of the difference. A candid vag pic is trying to photograph something the girl isn't inviting the public to see. Photographing feet means that the girl is wearing sandals, and is comfortable with people seeing her feet (perhaps not photographing them, but we'll get to that).

The other major difference is that one is an actual and legitimate crime, the other is just weird.

Again, posting the pictures is a no-no, but you can't deny that there's magnitudes of difference between the fallout resulting from your feet being posted on a fetish site and your vagina being posted anywhere online. One might get you teased, the other might cause serious trouble and result in huge consequences for the uploader.

Really? Taking a picture of someone's feet against their will and posting them on a forum where people are going to be fappin to them, without their knowledge, isn't a crime? I have no idea one way or another, but I would be surprised if it wasn't. Saying you might just get teased for posting a candid foot picture is a huge assumption, I think.

Also, just because I wear a low cut shirt, doesn't mean I am inviting people to stare at my tits or take pictures of them. Same thing with sandals.

Your line of thinking is seriously ridiculous.
 
Taking a picture of someone's feet against their will and posting them on a forum where people are going to be fappin to them, without their knowledge, isn't a crime?

Nobody took the picture against their will. It is candid...
 
Nobody took the picture against their will. It is candid...

Candid = without the person's knowledge. Does that automatically mean it wasn't against their wishes? I imagine most people wouldn't want their picture taken by strangers while they're out and about.

This thread makes me want to wear burkhas everywhere I go from now on.
 
What if a parent shot a picture of their child, and the child is too young to consent. The picture is sent to a relative; for instance, an uncle... The uncle sees the picture, and finds a way to molest the child.

But... The child was too young to consent, but was still abused... How does consent protect the innocent?

If anybody is into candid/voyeur fetishism: keep it on the monitor, and not real life!
 
Candid = without the person's knowledge. Does that automatically mean it wasn't against their wishes? I imagine most people wouldn't want their picture taken by strangers while they're out and about.

This thread makes me want to wear burkhas everywhere I go from now on.

You will not do that! Being a creep is still in the miniority! 🙂
 
It isn't a crime. Hell, look at all of the celebrity "nip-slips" and "beaver-slips" out there. With entire, well-known sites dedicated to such things. If people can get away with that level of invasive photography on a public figure, I can't imagine anyone going to court over a picture of a woman's toes.

Wearing a low-cut shirt, like wearing sandals, means you have no expectation of privacy from the stares of those around you in regards to the area of that body part you are exposing. If a guy pulls you shirt down to see the part of your breasts you expect to be covered, that's a serious issue. If he removes your shoe forcefully to see your soles, that an issue as well. But if he's photographing you, as you dressed yourself to appear in public, then he isn't doing anything wrong.

Posting said pictures online is absolutely messed up, but again there simply aren't enough people who find your feet relevant in your daily life for it to be a major issue. (Unless, of course, you surround yourself with foot fetishists.)

Well, thanks for your reply and the explanation. Guess that answers that. Still fucked up in my opinion though!


You will not do that! Being a creep is still in the miniority! 🙂

Ha, yeah, keep telling yourself that. It's obviously not in the minority here.
 
But the alternative IS wearing a burkha. It IS being constantly afraid of what is, essentially, a totally harmless gaze. It IS wanting to prosecute people for "thought crimes" instead of targeting actual predators who actually cause real harm to men and women.

So, being happily paranoid is the road to happiness and elation?
 
People sometimes masturbate to you (yes YOU!). It happens to everyone, guys and girls. You've had friends in college who secretly fantasized about you, guys you know on Facebook who have downloaded your pictures to scope out your body, and sometimes they aren't people you'd enjoy finding out about.

I would rather make them cum, and not a young child!
 
Really? Taking a picture of someone's feet against their will and posting them on a forum where people are going to be fappin to them, without their knowledge, isn't a crime? I have no idea one way or another, but I would be surprised if it wasn't.

Generally speaking*, it's not.

I did some research on this stuff prior to starting my video business. I didn't do it with the intent to be able to cover my ass should I get caught snapping candids, but rather I felt I needed to know what the rules were so that I could follow them, vis-a-vis securing model releases.

There's a lot of discussion about this stuff (in a non-fetish context) on photography websites. Just Google "model consent form" and read your heart out.

In summary, though, no; you don't need a model release to take someone's photo, or even to sell it, at least not in the US. The article I read used shooting a kids' soccer game as an example; a photographer is, legally, in the clear if they don't secure releases from every player/member of the crowd, even if they bundle all of their photos into a book and sell it.

The lone exception, it seems, is photography that implies endorsement. So, for example, if said photographer took a photo of Timmy shooting a goal, and then added a caption that said "Timmy votes Republican, like all soccer players do!", that's a no-no, and Timmy (or his parents) are justified in doing whatever it is people do when they need to seek legal recourse in such matters.

However, fap snaps (as I like to call them) are a whole 'nother kettle o' fish because of a little thing (at least here in the US) called 18USC2257. It's the law that makes sure porn is produced all legal-like and that all participants are over the age of 18. Anyone filming video of a sexually explicit nature (the exact conditions of which are spelled out in the code) MUST keep detailed records of their models in accordance with said code.

Do foot fetish videos count? The jury is out on that one, AFAIK (that's a pun, son) and foot fetish content, strictly speaking, does not fall under the conditions described in the code... but as most of these clowns are posting said videos/photos on fetish sites, where pictures of minors are strictly verboten, and/or selling them on sites like Clips4Sale, an ambitious DA could very well make the case that said videos/pictures are, in fact, porn, and thus need to be 2257 compliant. Oh, and if you're not? Congratulations! You just committed a felony.

So, the thing about candid fap snaps is that I'm pretty sure none of these guys are keeping 2257 records for these random girls on the street. And that's a problem. Not to mention, yes; there's something just inherently stupid-creepy about guys following women around with video cameras so they can masturbate over the footage later. Regardless of the legality, no woman I've ever met thinks otherwise, and that in and of itself is a pretty damn good reason not to do it.

* Laws vary by jurisdiction. I am not a lawyer.
 
It's creepy at the start, and becomes exponentially more creepy when the people keep coming up with these ridiculous as fuck "Hey, this is Jen, I took a bunch of pictures of her feet where it looks like she has no idea she's being watched, and then we had a 45 minute discussion on how much she loves having them tickled!".

I don't know if it's a crime, but it's seriously one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen.
 
It's creepy at the start, and becomes exponentially more creepy when the people keep coming up with these ridiculous as fuck "Hey, this is Jen, I took a bunch of pictures of her feet where it looks like she has no idea she's being watched, and then we had a 45 minute discussion on how much she loves having them tickled!".

I don't know if it's a crime, but it's seriously one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen.

Srsly. It honestly drives me bugfuck when these guys outright lie, either to the girls they're filming or to their audience. I know for a fact that one of the most prominent foot fetish video producers lies his ass off about the circumstances under which his videos are shot, because a model-friend of mine was approached by his company and told me what really happened.

It's sad, manipulative, and yes, creepy. That's why I am 100% honest about everything surrounding my shoots.
 
Well it's too late at the moment and I post so rarely now that I can't remember how to insert quotes and shit, so deal with it. First of all to desperado_flare: I never brought a comparison between a foot pic and a vag pic. I said a pic of someone in the street and saying 'I bet she's ticklish' and a creepy upskirt picture. The content of the picture is not the issue, not at all. It's the SITE it is posted on and the INTENT in which it was posted. Both types of picture are there for the EXACT SAME REASON and they were both taken without permission. There is no difference when the intent is the same, none whatsoever.

When I posted this, I told a friend of mine (who is also a poster on this site) that I suspected it would get buried quickly. She replied "Nah you'll get a creeper who will attempt to justify it."





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