At what point does posting candid pictures on a fetish site become creepy?

[ElFewja]

I don't know that this is about morality so much as it is about respect (of others) and consequences.

Subjectivity is subjective and all, but I think we're mostly talking about a very specific set of circumstances that invade upon another person's privacy whether or not they're aware of it, which I see as disrespectful towards the subject of said circumstances. Whether or not it's actually viewed as disrespectful is up to the subject, obviously, and while I would imagine a majority would not appreciate having pictures taken of them that doesn't necessarily mean that everyone thinks it's wrong. But just because a subset isn't necessarily opposed doesn't make the disrespect acceptable.

Anyway, that's a fairly minor part. I think the larger issue at hand is the idea of consequence. If someone can get away with something, if it's consequence free, then they're more inclined to do something that others might consider nefarious. One might argue there isn't any harm if the other person knows, because they don't recognize that they're necessarily being harmed but I don't agree with that.

I'm sure that comes off as putting me on the 'morality police' side but I try to believe that whatever is right for an individual is right for them, and who am I to judge? It's when those actions and decisions negatively impact another, separate individual that I have problems.

Anyway, the main reason I decided to post was to make a suggestion that will never be implemented and probably not even noted by admins. I was thinking, you know, if there is such a rampant problem with how certain members treat other members, then why not implement some sort of infraction system, one that can publicly be viewed (as in, warnings on record)? Aim used to have a warning system and I was thinking of something similar. Rather than have it be account based, have it tied to an IP. Allow a person to challenge a warning by making a case before several (emphasis on more than two) moderators that can then view the case and judge whether or not it's worthy of penalization. It probably wouldn't happen (since we're using a pretty generic forum setup) but I think we're long past talking about problems. Let's talk about solutions.

 

[smokinj]

It's more than that. I suspect that it's a sense of self-righteousness coupled with an immense ego of the sort that makes one believe he should be acknowledged as one of the reigning experts and gets frustrated when that doesn't happen. Add to that the transparently self-serving desire to minimize competition by labeling other guys as creepy while at the same time making it clear to any women who might be listening that he is sooo above that sort of thing.

So why is it always YOU flashing your badge? Do you fancy yourself as their champion?

I've talked to several women about this very thing too. In fact, I've shown this thread to three of them, and asked them what they thought of your comments in particular. Without fail, every one of them shook their heads and rolled their eyes. One of them said, "Look at this guy. He really thinks he's the expert on women. Yeah, right. The only ass a guy like that will ever get is when his fingers break through the toilet paper." The others laughed and agreed.

It's never been a problem for me.

Rhiannon is always at the forefront of any discussion involving the right and wrong of tickling. You are a close second.

Hate to have to bring you up to date with current events, but most anybody who carries a smart phone is "sneaking around with a video camera." You might want to tone down your self-righteous rhetoric there, Pastor Piety.

That's your problem. Most of the women you know are from this one community. You act like these are the only women that matter. There's a big wide world full of women who love tickling that have never heard of the TMF.

What it tells ME is that they're tired of interacting with those whose social development parallels most sixth graders, who (in their utterly pathetic attempts to ingratiate themselves to women) continually beat their chest telling everybody and their brother how to act, and losing their tempers when their "sage advice" isn't heeded.

Because many have told me so, that's how. Many have PM'd and/or emailed me. They tell me things like, "DAJT, why do you waste your energy arguing with those self-righteous assholes? We're both going to continue to do what we do. Fuck them and anybody who looks like them."

To which I usually reply,"I hear what you're saying but I have my reasons."

Kind of like the way you and Rhiannon show up every time this topic comes up?

Well, a gathering is different from just being out in public. I've never advocated anybody to disregard the rules that you agree to in order to attend the event. Those who hold the gatherings and set behavioral standards for these events aren't the morality police. The morality police tell you how you're supposed to behave out in bars, shopping malls, walking down the street, at an amusement park, etc.

If the gatherer says no candid photos or videos, and no unsolicited touching, I'd naturally oblige. Because my invitation to the event is contingent on my agreeing to those terms. Out on America's streets, I've made no such agreement except to obey the law.

You've clearly got way more experience with gatherings than I do. I would think that the idea to whip it out and start pounding away would be precluded by the rules and guidelines to which one would be oblidged to agree in order to receive an invitation.

Assuming that's not the case, I'd have to say his "offbeat behavior" would be regarded by me as inappropriate, regardless of who's going through his mind at that particular instance.

But lets remember this thread is about taking pictures of feet and posting them here. That's quite a difference from unleashing the one-eyed trouser trout at a gathering.

Couldn't agree more with everything you said. Furthermore, anyone could look at a furniture catalog or Sears insert and fap to one of those beautiful women.

If someone posts pictures of some random girls feet they took candidly, so be it. Jeez it's not like pics of child pornography which is reprehensible. Lighten up people.

 

[TJDoom]

There is certainly a difference between child porn and this kind of thing. However, I don't think people fantasizing or getting pleasure from a random pic that could be from anywhere is what's problematic. Taking advantage of folks regularly to the extent these picture takers are capable of can be very detrimental and it goes beyond respect or not caring.

Maybe twenty times the status quo goes unscathed, but it can be an accumulative behavior that leads to isolation and sexual frusturation that builds and builds. It can become dangerous because it's never enough and, if a full blown obsession develops, then you have a potential for another police matter where it's taken too far. Perpetuating the behavior of objectifying people in such dense ways is a slippery slope. That's not overtly P.C. or needless seriousness. That is part of the big picture.

 

[smokinj]

There is certainly a difference between child porn and this kind of thing. However, I don't think people fantasizing or getting pleasure from a random pic that could be from anywhere is what's problematic. Taking advantage of folks regularly to the extent these picture takers are capable of can be very detrimental and it goes beyond respect or not caring.

Maybe twenty times the status quo goes unscathed, but it can be an accumulative behavior that leads to isolation and sexual frusturation that builds and builds. It can become dangerous because it's never enough and, if a full blown obsession develops, then you have a potential for another police matter where it's taken too far. Perpetuating the behavior of objectifying people in such dense ways is a slippery slope. That's not overtly P.C. or needless seriousness. That is part of the big picture.

That is a broad strokes look at it but you have a point. I guess to me it all seems like much ado about nothing. No one is being exploited in a random feet pic/video. No one is getting hurt and you could also say it would bring joy to many people. Ok that last sentence was a little creepy, however it's all very harmless in the big picture.

Everybody has a phone with a camera, we are entering a golden age of candid videos of all kinds. People, nature, art, etc. Not saying we should get clandestine shots up skirts or down blouses but feet, legs, asses are perfectly acceptable IMO.

 

[TJDoom]

No one is getting hurt that you know of.

Is it really inconceivable to imagine a woman that catches it being done and takes great issue? I posted a scenario earlier of a bad uncle taking inappropriate pictures and a stranger bringing those scars back to the surface after even partially revealing what he was doing. Double that up with a college guy ruining possible lifelong friendships by being caught. Does he not earn himself distrust? Are they not all hurt in some way? Broad strokes allows you to see more. If you gloss over real possibilities, how do we better ourselves?

 

[smokinj]

No one is getting hurt that you know of. Is it really inconceivable to imagine a woman that catches it being done and takes great issue? I posted a scenario earlier of a bad uncle taking inappropriate pictures and a stranger bringing those scars back to the surface after even partially revealing what he was doing. Double that up with a college guy ruining possible lifelong friendships by being caught. Does he not earn himself distrust? Are they not all hurt in some way? Broad strokes allow you to see more. If you gloss over real possibilities all around you, then you limit the improvement of yourself and the world around you.

Ok point taken. I certainly wouldn't want to see any of those scenarios play out for anyone I cared about. On the other hand if the 'subject's' face was not seen and only her legs or feet then I don't see the harm unless the person shooting the video/pic was caught red handed by his quarry.

The other reason these videos are so appealing is you could imagine yourself at that bookstore or cafe watching some hot girl shoeplay then kick yourself for not getting it on camera. The staged nicely decorated sets used with model hot girls being told what to do are not my cup of tea. It feels fake because it is fake. It can have negative effects but the right situation can be intensely erotic.

 

[TJDoom]

I can appreciate that. There's something to be said of a natural setting. I just prefer it under the umbrella of, "Hey, my girlfriend/wife wants to share pics".

If a bloke enjoys a random girl's pic, I would not chide them for that. But it makes me raise an eyebrow when people are taking dozens and dozens of pictures through an entire city, bragging about how close they got to sneaking a tickle in and how much of a thrill it is almost being caught. You can observe innocently enough, but not everyone chooses to recognize excess or boundary crossing. I just hope that whatever somebody's thing is, don't get lost in it.

 

[smokinj]

I can appreciate that. There's something to be said of a natural setting. I just prefer it under the umbrella of, "Hey, my girlfriend/wife wants to share pics".

If a bloke enjoys a random girl's pic, I would not chide them for that. But it makes me raise an eyebrow when people are taking dozens and dozens of pictures through an entire city, bragging about how close they got to sneaking a tickle in and how much of a thrill it is almost being caught. You can observe innocently enough, but not everyone chooses to recognize excess or boundary crossing. I just hope that whatever somebody's thing is, don't get lost in it.

Yes it's the innocent observing from afar that I'm talking about, I would never tickle a stranger and even worse film it at the same time, that is definitely crossing a line. That's flat assault. Filming a stranger with her face never seen is very hot, also leaves a lot to the imagination of the viewer since the poster already knows if she's a dog or beautiful.

I would like to point out I have never shot any video myself of such things but I would look at a candid video any day over a Hollywood production. Love the idea that she is just being herself as long as her identity is protected.

 

[chicago]

I'm gonna start a website about creepy dudes and post their candid pictures there.

 

[Comfort Eagle]

I'm gonna start a website about creepy dudes and post their candid pictures there.

I think there's actually a lot of tumblrs already dedicated to that. Checkin' creeper privilege and all that.

 

[Bohemianne]

At what point does posting candid pictures on a fetish site become creepy?

It is creepy to almost anyone... except for only two species of people >>> the voyeur and exhibitionist.

The end.

 

[ArchNemesis]

Re: At what point does posting candid pictures on a fetish site become creepy?

When you get caught.

 

[LargerWorld2577]

Re: At what point does posting candid pictures on a fetish site become creepy?

When you get caught.

You know something is wrong when you have to try not getting caught doing it.

 

[DontAskJusTckle]

You know something is wrong when you have to try not getting caught doing it.

Not really. I know it's not wrong to take candid pics but I still try not to get caught simply to avoid unnecessary drama, as well as preserving the good chance of future opportunities.

 

[chicago]

Why would there be drama, if there's nothing wrong with it?

 

[LargerWorld2577]

Why would there be drama, if there's nothing wrong with it?

Exactly.

 

[rhiannon]

It keeps amazing me how little respect some people on here have for other people's wishes and borders!

 

[chicago]

It keeps amazing me how little respect some people on here have for other people's wishes and borders!

I was thinking the same thing.

 

[C.A.B.]

It keeps amazing me how little respect some people on here have for other people's wishes and borders!

...unless its their own being violated.

 

[smokinj]

It keeps amazing me how little respect some people on here have for other people's wishes and borders!

It keeps amazing me how some people with holier then thou attitudes never miss an opportunity to chastise others. Your rants are so tiresome. Please get a new fetish and play morality police on their forum.

 

[Wolf]

It keeps amazing me how little respect some people on here have for other people's wishes and borders!

It's not really so amazing; a lot of people on this forum have admitted that they've never had a relationship with another person where they could be open about their fetish (business relationships notwithstanding).
Some people just might not have a frame of reference for those boundaries.

 

[DontAskJusTckle]

Why would there be drama, if there's nothing wrong with it?

Because the presence of drama is by no means an indicator of right or wrong. Many people are prone to drama over this type of thing, as strongly evidenced in this thread. They seem to believe that they can go out in public places with the expectation to never be photographed, leered at, lusted over, or fantasized about. It's a radically unrealistic expectation. So that's why there can be drama when there's nothing wrong with it.

People, some of you seem to feel that if someone snaps a photo of you in a public place, you have some kind of veto power if the photographer decides to choke his chicken over that picture in the privacy of his dark room. It's absolutely a ludicrous notion, and good luck enforcing it. Taking a picture is not an invasive act. It's simply capturing some of the light that reflects off you. You don't own that light. People are free to take pictures in the public domain, and yes they can take pictures of feet and drool over those pictures while they hold the sausage hostage.

And there's not one damn thing wrong with it.

But DAJT, that is soooo creeeepy!

Too fucking bad. It happens. Daily. Get the fuck over it already.

Nooooo! I can't get over it! It's tooooo creeeeeepy!

Would you quit that already? It's really starting to get annoying. You know, the paparazzi does this kind of thing all the time. Taking candid photos of people without their knowledge. And they are way more invasive with it.

Well yeah, but...but that's like...their JOB...n'shit

So if they do it, it's okay. It's their job. If I do it, then it's creepy? Why?

Because it creeps me out! I'm a hardcore BDSM guy. So if I'm creeped out by what you do, trust me, YOU'RE the problem! YOU'RE in the wrong!

You have a tickling fetish yourself, don't you? You associate feet and tickling with sexual arousal, right?

Well duh! I'm here on the TMF aren't I?

You know that a lot of regular folks get creeped out by foot and tickling fetishes. Really creeped out.

Well so what? Fuck those uptight judgmental assholes! I don't give a shit what they...hey, wait a minute...

See, now you know how I feel about you getting creeped out by what I do.

But...it isn't...you can't....I...uh....duhhhhh....

 

[primetime]

Because the presence of drama is by no means an indicator of right or wrong. Many people are prone to drama over this type of thing, as strongly evidenced in this thread. They seem to believe that they can go out in public places with the expectation to never be photographed, leered at, lusted over, or fantasized about. It's a radically unrealistic expectation. So that's why there can be drama when there's nothing wrong with it.

People, some of you seem to feel that if someone snaps a photo of you in a public place, you have some kind of veto power if the photographer decides to choke his chicken over that picture in the privacy of his dark room. It's absolutely a ludicrous notion, and good luck enforcing it. Taking a picture is not an invasive act. It's simply capturing some of the light that reflects off you. You don't own that light. People are free to take pictures in the public domain, and yes they can take pictures of feet and drool over those pictures while they hold the sausage hostage.

And there's not one damn thing wrong with it.

But DAJT, that is soooo creeeepy!

Too fucking bad. It happens. Daily. Get the fuck over it already.

Nooooo! I can't get over it! It's tooooo creeeeeepy!

Would you quit that already? It's really starting to get annoying. You know, the paparazzi does this kind of thing all the time. Taking candid photos of people without their knowledge. And they are way more invasive with it.

Well yeah, but...but that's like...their JOB...n'shit

So if they do it, it's okay. It's their job. If I do it, then it's creepy? Why?

Because it creeps me out! I'm a hardcore BDSM guy. So if I'm creeped out by what you do, trust me, YOU'RE the problem! YOU'RE in the wrong!

You have a tickling fetish yourself, don't you? You associate feet and tickling with sexual arousal, right?

Well duh! I'm here on the TMF aren't I?

You know that a lot of regular folks get creeped out by foot and tickling fetishes. Really creeped out.

Well so what? Fuck those uptight judgmental assholes! I don't give a shit what they...hey, wait a minute...

See, now you know how I feel about you getting creeped out by what I do.

But...it isn't...you can't....I...uh....duhhhhh....

Funny how I can disagree with you sometimes, and then agree with you sometimes. DAJT, keep being who you are. You truly are a human being with his own thought processes. I can disagree with you and not be offended, and agree with you on somethings. I will give you a lot of respect for that.

I am agreeing with you in this thread by one particular thing you mentioned. The paparazzi. Man, those type of people have got to be the most invasive, annoying people of all time who go way out of their way to photograph celebrities whether that celebrity or not likes it. Yet, for some reason, a "foot fetish" person takes picture of some person's unsuspecting bare feet, post it, and for some reason, it seems even more evil than the paparazzi invading a celebrity's personal space to take pictures of them, their baby, etc.

Look at TMZ. Their "reporters" go right up to celebrities univited, take pictures, video, etc and ask questions without any kind of permission. Sometimes celebrities like the attention, sometimes they do not. Do you see them always trying to bring legal charges against the paparazzi? Nopw. It depends on what it is. I hate to break it to some people here, but bare feet are not going to be considered "intrusive" and if a picture is posted, not a whole lot they can do about it. You take a picture of breasts, penises, or vaginas without permission, then you have a problem. People have "hand fetishes". So you can imagine this same kind of thing happens on the HMF (Hand Media Forum, if it existed...).

So for all this judgment on things, some people must realize that this stuff happens all the time. For all I know, there could be photos of my ass (yes, I have a nice ass if I do say so myself. I have witnesses from this forum.. lol) somewhere on the internet without my permission. Do I care? Not really. What could I really do? I guess some people are more sensitive to these types of things than others...

 

[phillyphilly]

IMO its kind of creepy taking candid pics for your own satisfaction but if that's your choice so be it, but I don't really understand the point in posting them on a fetish site to share with other people to me that's just weird, and I personally don't understand the point "hey look I snagged this picture of a girls foot when she wasn't looking isn't it awesome??" Fetish site or not it's creepy

 

[chicago]

A celebrity is well aware they will be followed by paparazzi. They will even call said paparazzi to let them know where they will be so they can get photographed.

And just because something happens on a daily basis, doesn't mean its ok. That kind of logic is just retarded. Though I guess if a person had a partner to play with, they wouldn't have to sneak shots of others and try to not get caught doing so.