Ban on skinny models

[Snail Shell]

I've never been a fan of the whole stick-figure body type for women. I look at some of the movie starlets and fashion models today and I've never thought it looks attractive. I don't even think it looks healthy. Then this came up on the news today and I just about had kittens I was so thrilled.

In an effort to promote healthy eating in young people, Spain has issued what they called "body type analysis" on fashion models. To model in Spain, your Body Mass Index must be at least 18 or higher. For example, if you are 5'9" tall, you must weigh at least 122lbs to legally be allowed to model. This is to ensure young people have a healthy body image to grow up with.

To put this to North American standards, the news channel took this to a Canadian modelling show and weighed the models there. Of the 12 models that participated, only of them met the new Spanish standard.

I think this is a great idea! I really do! What all are your thoughts on this?

Snail Shell

 

[pink_sheep501]

I'm with you on this one. Although models have always been slim, it seems to have gone overboard of late and some guidelines to control just how skinny they can be. I'd say it's not just for the sake of young people looking at these people as role models but also for the sake of the models themselves who probably come under pressure from the fashion industry to stay skinny or get skinnier.

When your knees are fatter than the rest of your legs, it's time to start eating cake again!

 

[Budweiserbob!]

Of the 12 models that participated, only of them met the new Spanish standard.

I think you forgot the point of that sentence by missing out the main figure! 😛

And I agree with you, it doesn't look attractive and it definitely doesn't look healthy.

Hurray for Spain! 😀

 

[BigNorm]

i think it's a great idea! i hate those sticks that pass off as models, this would help out alot. go Spain, woot!

as Captain Spaulding so epicly put it: "More cushion for the pushin'"

 

[DarthGrinn]

Yay for Spain 😀

ITs a good idea cuz models are also who a lot of girls look up to. Enough with making girls think they have to be stick-figures to be pretty; it just aint true at all, not to mention the adverse health/psychological effects.

I often find myself, when looking at certain celebs, actually thinking "Hey she's cute, if only she had a few pounds".

I'm not knocking skinny/wirey girls tho; some are just naturally tall and lanky, and not all girls have hips. But u can definitely tell who's stressing their bodies too hard to get that effect by how their face looks. The malnutrition ones always have this dead look in their eyes.

It's the same with these guy models as well; I notice a lot of guys (in commercials) that just look like a bunch of strung out junkies. Take some protein supplements bruddah lol, eat a steak or something... you look like ur gna pass out…

 

[Camel26]

Thank GOODNESS!!! As a woman who survived an eating disorder, and has many friends still battling them, I think this is a step in the right direction...if only it would happen here...I think Spain is worlds ahead of the US on so many levels...

And, on a personal note, let's hear it for NORMAL CURVY WOMEN!!!!!! Bring on a girl with hips, a butt, and thighs...finally...

Curvy gals are delicious...

 

[Sockstickler]

Speaking as a guy, I too think this is a great idea, and something that's far past due. Let's face it. A lot of the girls they have as models are so skinny they look sick. I rarely if ever find myself turned on by them. More likely I feel like yelling "For crying out loud! Eat something already!" Rail thin skinny is just not attractive to me. I'd much prefer a girl who has a little something to hang onto, you know? I'd much rather have someone with a more real shape to her.

 

[DarthGrinn]

Curvy gals are delicious...

haha indeed they are Camel26. Deliciously curvy ftw =D

 

[Excess]

Well first of all, it depends on what your definition of skinny is. If it's "thin like Brooke Burke" skinny, then I couldn't disagree more, cuz she's a goddess. However, if it's (and I'm assuming it is) "thin like Kate Moss" skinny, then I couldn't agree more. Looking like you could break in half at any moment=not attractive.

 

[Sockstickler]

Well first of all, it depends on what your definition of skinny is. If it's "thin like Brooke Burke" skinny, then I couldn't disagree more, cuz she's a goddess. However, if it's (and I'm assuming it is) "thin like Kate Moss" skinny, then I couldn't agree more. Looking like you could break in half at any moment=not attractive.

Yeah, I was pretty much thinking Kate Moss/Nicole Richie/Paris Hilton skinny as not being so good.

 

[Excess]

Yeah, I was pretty much thinking Kate Moss/Nicole Richie/Paris Hilton skinny as not being so good.

Aye, as was I. And don't forget Linsey Lohan...or has she put some back on now? I don't keep up with it.

 

[howl]

Its terrible, Im more or less only attracted to girls that most people would call skinny/slim, I know women must hate to hear that but you cant change the way you are.
On a widerpoint there must be a reason for the demand for slim models, could it be that if people were more honest more people would say they look good? ( btw im talking slim not anoerexic)

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

I think the whole issue and problem with the industry has always been that it creates, through the models, unrealistic standards and expectations on and for women, and it also tells men that these are the types of standards they should have on women.

I'm for this change so long as it doesn't discriminate against the naturally thin and petite. People like my mom are often the envy of other women, particularly women who are trying to diet with little success. When people ask my mom "whats her secret", and she says there is none, and this is just the way she is, I'm sure that the mean ones secretly think that she's either anorexic or is taking some kind of drugs or something. I've seen the way they look at her sometimes. Very hateful looks.

People probably look at me and think the same thing.

In this same way, I don't want skinny models to fall under too much scrutiny simply because they're very thin and also happen to have it all in the right places (if you know what I mean 😉) and because they are also attractive.

While being too thin is not only unattractive and unhealthy and sends an unhealthy messege to young girls AND young men, whatever line the industry draws in the sand needs to be fair for all models of all shapes and sizes.

I cannot help but feel that deep down inside however, the advocates of "plus size" models, and whatever other terms are used to discribe a model who is not thin, are waging this campaign out of spite and jealousy; jealously and spite over the fact that alot of these models would still be more beautiful than they are whether they're extremely thin or not, and also because the thin models have thus enjoyed the luxury of the business having catered to them for so long.

I have no problem with plus size models, but only if they are naturally large the way many thin models are naturally thin. A naturally thin model has the legitimate excuse that they're just that way. The larger model however is to blame for their weight and proportions by unhealthy eating, minimal execise, and lack of self-discipline. Thats just as unhealthy a messege and state of being as what the extremely thin models do.

Just like sickeningly thin models have no excuse for being that way, these fat models have no excuse either and they shouldn't be allowed on stage or given modeling work. They need to ferret out parasites such as these. They're not real models nor have they earned it. They're just taking advantage of a system that is trying to be politically correct.

An anorexic woman shouldn't be rewarded with a modeling career for inducing vomiting, and neither should a blob for wolfing down a bucket of greasy chicken wings.

 

[BigNorm]

it doesn't apply the same to plus size models. people don't look at them and are like, holy cow, i gotta back on the pounds to be just like her!

no, it's all about being thin and "fit" plus size models aren't popular

 

[BigNorm]

An anorexic woman shouldn't be rewarded with a modeling career for inducing vomiting, and neither should a blob for wolfing down a bucket of greasy chicken wings.

that kinda talk gonna get you many friends here alright. IMO, "Blob" should be substituted with atleast "overwieght"

would you like it if people went around calling you or someone else who's skinny "Twig" or "Stick". oh wait, they don't, only large people get ratted on for their size.

 

[BigNorm]

Anywho, it's good to see that the tickling "industry" encourages all shapes and sizes by producing videos featuring girls who are skinny, curvy, of average build, plus size and some that are just plain fat. There also seems to be a cross section of heights (although it tends towards the shorter, just because the average woman is shorter than the average man: there are simply fewer tall girls out there).

Tickling also seems indifferent to race and ethnicity. Very few websites feature a lily white cast. Age too, is another factor - whether you prefer uni students in their early 20s, young mothers in their 30s or executive types (who probably aren't executives but could look like one given the right outfit) who might be in their 40s.

Hair colour, eye colour, breast size, foot size, sole shape and colour, social grouping (eg goth, Valley girl, surfy girl etc) they're all here. No matter where your tastes run, they'll be satisfied by someone in some video made somewhere by some producer!

It's a real cross section of woman kind. I think that's rather enlightened.

It's the m/m videos, not that I've seen many but I have seen a couple, that seem to feature only guys that are jocks. Big tall dudes with massive abs, 24inch pythons and a huge cock. And they're all white. M/m producers need to even up the balance.

Sorry about the long post. :super_hap

i couldn't agree more. i like the whole tickling media community really diversifying the tickling field, and agree the men should be more diverse.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

that kinda talk gonna get you many friends here alright. IMO, "Blob" should be substituted with atleast "overwieght"

would you like it if people went around calling you or someone else who's skinny "Twig" or "Stick". oh wait, they don't, only large people get ratted on for their size.

I refer to some of these women in the scornful term of "blob" simply because of the damage they've done to themselves. It is very hard for me to respect a person who doesn't respect themself. If they can't love themselves and have abandoned themselves to the sickness and illness that is UNNATURAL obesity (ie- they're gluttons), then they have very little sympathy from me for their SITUATION. I do wish them well and I of course would hope they reform and get healthy the way a twiggy or "mop" needs to get help.

It is not the PERSON that disgusts me, its what they've DONE to themselves, especially when the industry may try and use this as an angle.

In fact, this way of thinking is on topic.

This whole skinny model thing is a result of people being sickened by extremely thin models still getting work and sending all the messeges and such that they do (often without knowing it). They don't want it to represent real women because healthy women (small, medium, or large) are nothing like this.

If the industry, the women at home and in the work place, and models everywhere can be disgusted by this, then, its only logical that I choose to be too, albeit also for overweight models who are not that way naturally.

In actuality, I'm being unbias, as I'm not calling either skinny or heavy the "lesser of two evils". In my eyes, in this business, they're both a disease in their own ways.

I suspect enough people feel this way as well, since something is clearing being done to make things right...or theres an attempt to, anyway.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

What is being done to "make this right?"

And what is not right? Sorry - too many threads to keep up with at one time.

I actually don't know. I'm only hearing about this on the news but not really paying attention, which is why there can only ever be a conversation for me and a viewpoint, and not a debate or something with more substance.

Until it can be verified what the business plans to do to even things out and expell the sickness of underweight models, I have little more to say than I already have.

I just hope that if they're going to target the obvious choice, they should also consider the opposite end of the weight spectrum.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

Actually, I think an option they have is to make model requirements stricter and make sure that all models are on healthy eating/workout regiments, perhaps even making this a part of their contract.

This gives models who are under and over weight time to reform and it sets guidelines for new models coming in.

 

[ILove2Tickle1]

Thank GOODNESS!!! As a woman who survived an eating disorder, and has many friends still battling them, I think this is a step in the right direction...if only it would happen here...I think Spain is worlds ahead of the US on so many levels...

And, on a personal note, let's hear it for NORMAL CURVY WOMEN!!!!!! Bring on a girl with hips, a butt, and thighs...finally...

Curvy gals are delicious...

::licks Camel26:: Yup. You're right. 😀

 

[Camel26]

Ilove2tickle...thanks for the lick!!! 😉 😛

Vlad--beware, again, how you phrase things...refer to an earlier thread where you had finally, after much ranting and raving, admitted what you said had been offensive to me, but never apologized...let's stop that here and now before this gets to be a 4 page flame war...

Calling someone a blob is offensive...calling someone a stick is offensive...there is no need to name call...

Also, for one who loves having his facts in order, let me remind you that anorexics do not purge...people suffering from bulimia purge...anorexics do not eat...hence the difference...neither is good...

Let's remember to be kinder to one another around here...seriously...everyone...just be nice...

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

Ilove2tickle...thanks for the lick!!! 😉 😛

Vlad--beware, again, how you phrase things...refer to an earlier thread where you had finally, after much ranting and raving, admitted what you said had been offensive to me, but never apologized...let's stop that here and now before this gets to be a 4 page flame war...

Calling someone a blob is offensive...calling someone a stick is offensive...there is no need to name call...

Also, for one who loves having his facts in order, let me remind you that anorexics do not purge...people suffering from bulimia purge...anorexics do not eat...hence the difference...neither is good...

Let's remember to be kinder to one another around here...seriously...everyone...just be nice...

I know its not nice word usage. I just don't feel like being nice about the subject of self-imposed self-destruction. I shouldn't have to be if I'm morally against it. Anyone should be against that. I'm no less a person or any less respectable because I used those words in passing. I know that everyone has their circumstances, and as I said, I wish them the best. But, because its hard to seperate the disease from the person, most comments seem directed as a judgement of the person, rather as a disgust for the disease which has consumed them and taken over.

I deplore the diseases (both in their physical and mental manifestations) because they transform people in such a way that they lose themselves. The illness robs them of their dignity and self-respect.

They don't deserve to be there and going through that, but they are there by choice, so you'll understand how I have little respect for them in that state or heading toward that state. Its pitiful and sorry.

Again, I wish them the best. Nothing is better than seeing these people reclaim themselves, and I truely hope they do, each and every one of them.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

Mmmm. Why stop at moral outrage directed at fatties and skinnies. I also deplore babies suffering from cancer and people with large noses. And especially I hate people with weird sexual fetishes - perverts.

A baby has no choice over whether it has cancer, nor does a person who develops a big nose (though they may consider surgery if it truely bothers them).

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

Likewise some people that get fat or can't put on weight ... so moral outrage and condemnation should perhaps be reserved.

QED, I'd say 😛

If you read what I said, I was refering exclusively to people who are not NATURALLY, (I said this at least twice) thin or heavy.

Models who ARE naturally thin or heavy are fine so long as they meet the modeling standards. Though, I would wish they still take good care of themselves, for their health's sake.

People who eat or starve themselves into modeling and take advantage of the state of the business and it's eagerness to appease the growing animosity toward very thin models are more specific to the point.

We don't want women becoming models simply because they're thin or large and appease a demographic, but because we would hope they are a complete package (personality, values, intelligence, and all of that good stuff).

 

[Janus4385]

If you read what I said, I was refering exclusively to people who are not NATURALLY, (I said this at least twice) thin or heavy.

I understand what you are saying, but I feel the need to say just one small thing:

As you keep repeating the word "disease" in some of your posts, I can see why aucklandtickler makes the point he does. I know there is a social related meaning for the word, but am not too familiar with it, anyway that's probably the connotation you were giving to the word.
However, I am familar with the medical meaning; and in this context a disease has a pathological cause, therefore it is a pathological condition, in this case, said cause could be a hormonal disorder or a glandular problem, among other things. Now, if such causes are ot present at all, then being obese is not precisely a disease all by itself, but it is the cause for other illnesses, in other words, you are not obese because you are sick, but instead you are sick because you are obese. Body types also have a lot to do with it too

Ok, I was starting to get a little carried away...
My point is, maybe it was all just a misundertanding, at least in that department.

Having said that, there's just one more thing, I honestly believe you should try not to use terms such as "blob". It's just not nice...