Belief

[Betchass1]

The only thing that is certain is death; everything else is open to interpretation...

Also, whether something is true or not depends on what set of axioms you view the universe with (I studied Logic at uni). If you look at the world in the usual way, then 6x9=54. But if you look at it a different way, 6x9 actually equals 42 (base 13). But to one person who believes in the first case, the second is wrong, and vice versa.

Then of course, there is the fact that most people are quite illogical (and irrational) for a lot of the time. Trying to apply rational logic to irrational/illogical belief systems is fruitless at best. At worst, it might drive you loopy. 😛

Very good point about the bases. I think your last paragraph explains to a T the notion that the earth was flat.

 

[jj82277]

but my orgional point is still held true betcha, even in the face of completely incomprehnsable belief systems, the human mind in of itself still had a perception of reality that was a lot more indepth than shelter and finding accorns like other animals.

by a need for understanding i didn't mean that everyone on this earth was going to study philosophy at Harvard., I just meant that everyone on this planet would develop a belief system surounding the origions of man and their place in the world. those that burned poeple at the stake for heracy, although wrong, had a very clearly defined idea of where we all came from and what their place as.


as for the unconcious mind not being a thing i would strongly disagree. The relationshp between the subconcious as a programer of the concious after years of conditioning through filters has been documented. I don't have time to quote off everything that i have read, but i still believe that there is a subconcious mind that has your hardcore beliefs and pre-programmed patterns in it. and then there is the concious mind that programs the subconcious to autopilot most of the time.

lie the guy who makes the coments about the opposite sex with contradictions as friends, his belif system more than likely developed a long time before he met his friends right, probably hearing a relative or a father say it as a child, right.

what i think you were reffering to when you were reffering to a thirst for knowledge was the "enlightenedd" people who relaize that there subconcious belief patterns and patterns are subodinate to their concious authority and constantly seek out new information to verify or modify their interpretations of the world. i owuld call those people leaders. the scripture would call them those of the prophetic gift, and they in my oppinion have a great deal of responsability to share the emerging truth with everyone else.

 

[Betchass1]

but my orgional point is still held true betcha, even in the face of completely incomprehnsable belief systems, the human mind in of itself still had a perception of reality that was a lot more indepth than shelter and finding accorns like other animals.

by a need for understanding i didn't mean that everyone on this earth was going to study philosophy at Harvard., I just meant that everyone on this planet would develop a belief system surounding the origions of man and their place in the world. those that burned poeple at the stake for heracy, although wrong, had a very clearly defined idea of where we all came from and what their place as.


as for the unconcious mind not being a thing i would strongly disagree. The relationshp between the subconcious as a programer of the concious after years of conditioning through filters has been documented. I don't have time to quote off everything that i have read, but i still believe that there is a subconcious mind that has your hardcore beliefs and pre-programmed patterns in it. and then there is the concious mind that programs the subconcious to autopilot most of the time.

lie the guy who makes the coments about the opposite sex with contradictions as friends, his belif system more than likely developed a long time before he met his friends right, probably hearing a relative or a father say it as a child, right.

what i think you were reffering to when you were reffering to a thirst for knowledge was the "enlightenedd" people who relaize that there subconcious belief patterns and patterns are subodinate to their concious authority and constantly seek out new information to verify or modify their interpretations of the world. i owuld call those people leaders. the scripture would call them those of the prophetic gift, and they in my oppinion have a great deal of responsability to share the emerging truth with everyone else.

It's interesting you took that to mean a guy making unfair comments about the opposite sex, I was actually basing it on women I've known, but I realized it is very common with both sexes.

Anyway, I'm not saying there aren't processes in the brain that aren't conscious, I'm only saying I don't think there's a specific entity that is "the" unconscious. Thoughts and memories can be unconscious- an adjective- but they don't exist in a special realm called the unconscious. They just aren't activated frequently or directly. They can be observed influencing behavior, and they can surface unexpectedly, but to conclude there must therefore be a different sort of mind hiding in there is like saying there's a little man in the fridge who turns the light on when you open the door. And that bundle of unconscious beliefs you refer to can have many many contradictions, which is my answer to the original question.

I agree the human mind is far more advanced than the squirrel mind. I still think the mind arose to provide for the body, not the other way around.