Boston Public....and "that" word...

[evilqueen]

If your post is missing from this thread, it contained (or quoted) direct flames between members which are NOT ALLOWED ON THIS FORUM. Krokus and Shining Ice, if you two have a problem with each other then TAKE IT OFF FORUM and e-mail each other your threats. BTW Krokus please stop saying "we" when you mean "you." You do not speak for me, and the melanin content of my skin has nothing to do with my self pride.

 

[Krokus]

Heh.....

- edited for my past stupidity

(damn I was a dumb son of a bitch back when this thread originated)

 

[Sunriseticklee]

All I know is this: I love to eat, and I love good food. If it weren't for all the ethnic and racial diversity in this world, would we have kung pao chicken, jambalaya, New England clam chowder, barbecued steaks, beef teriyaki, flan, gazpacho, pasta carbonara, Brie, sauerbraten, falafel, basmati rice, that really cool soup you get in Thai restaurants that comes with its own little flaming heater, goulash, hot buttered yams, pita bread, delicatessen meats, chicken Kiev, miso soup, or about a billion other cool things you could name? NO. So, instead of saying something stupid and pissing off the next person in line, kids...SHUT UP AND EAT.

Easter is coming, and THIS Polack intends to have plenty of kielbasa and paska on hand. 🙂

All I gotta say is.....

When YOU gonna invite me over for dinner? 😛

Love, Laugh and TICKLE
Sunrisetickle

 

[Blackrook]

Constructive Suggestion

Perhaps when admonishing one or more members for flaming eaching other, it is best to do it via their emails instead of the forum since the golden rules are well written and front and center.

Rook

 

[Sunriseticklee]

Re: Well

Why is it that on Martin Luther King day, the kids get the day off from school, but on a day like Presidents day, they do not?? Am I alone on this??

I can say that there were a lot of schools who were out for Presidents' Day. Because of the amount of vacation days allotted, some school systems chose Presidents' Day, while others chose Martin Luther King's birthday for a vacation. Believe it or not, I remember NOT getting MLK Day off from school (sometimes). I moved around a lot.

I will take any holiday off I can get! BELIEVE ME! I don't give a damn what race is involved.

Let me tell you one more thing....I double majored in History and Education in college for a reason. I enjoy history emmensely, and I think culture and diversity is a beautiful thing. I also study and celebrate all cultures even down to some of THEIR holidays. Cinco de Mayo? Always have. Chinese New Year? Always have! El Dia De los Muertos and more. I encourage (which means "make" in teacher language) my students celebrate it too. This should NOT have turned into a black versus white thing.

I posted to let people know that history and culture is something to learn about, to be proud of, to be a part of, and to educate everyone about, and to celebrate. I also wanted to encourage people to not give up and to realize that words DO have power and consequences.

Blacks are not the only ones who have a portion of the year to celebrate and inform about their past and embrace their future. Latin American History is also a part of our calendar. Did you know that? Other cultures are celebrated and embraced because they WERE and ARE often forgotten and sugar coated.

But what has appeared in this thread are a bunch of misconceptions and stereotypes that are being passed along like they are reality. Frankly, I don't give a damn if you (general you) have met 2000 African Americans who blame your race for their hardships. I promise you that there are another 2000 that do not. DON'T LABEL SOMEONE (or a group) BASED ON YOUR LIMITED EXPERIENCES! And as much as people see things in the same colored glass as Zebra does, you do not have a right to dictate to me or anyone else how long and how often they can delve into their past and DISCUSS it!

Don't forget your heritage? Just don't live it everyday? Let's be realistic ladies and gentlemen. It really isn't your business unless it is causing you direct and immediate bodily harm how I choose to relive and celebrate my culture, or how often I choose to complain, praise, or express my love or annoyance on ANY SUBJECT.

Ignorance, hate, racism, elitism...have no sexual, cultural or ethnic boundaries. They can be found anywhere. Strength, love, peace, forgiveness, faith, acceptance, respect... can also be found everywhere. If you are hurt, if you feel slighted... these things happen, move on. But do not label me because of your pain. I never said any person in 2002 is guilty for slavery. I never said ALL of a certain race is the cause of me being held back. You see, you may try to hold me down, you may get in my path, you may even think you have won... but the only person responsible for my success is me.

Racism DOES exist, people do STILL get slighted, treated badly, overlooked for their race. YES in 2002, Dear, it still happens. DOES THAT STOP ME? HELL NO! I won't let anyone or anything dictate how far I will go. I will overcome REGARDLESS!!!!

This is an open forum for folks to speak their minds and "get things off their chests". Saying what you said and then apologizing to all the good hearted African Americans doesn't make what you said any less offensive, misdirected and wrong. Sometimes I just wish some of you knew, really knew how it feels to be a minority. Sometimes I wish you could just visualize it for a second, for a day. What an eye opener that would be. I think it would be a life changing experience if some guy had to find out what it was truly like to be a woman. I can empathize, but I can't truly understand what it was like to be in a Nazi concentration camp. And some of you will never understand what it is like to be black.


"Don't judge a man until you've walked two moons in his moccasins." ~Sharon Creech~ (I think)

Before you speak out and get things off your chest, put yourself in someone else's shoes... visualize, imagine what it is like to be in their situation. And then realize that some people complain (not just black people). Some people blame (not just African Americans), some people even give up.... But not all people! And certainly not me. Don't EVER advise me on how to be black when YOU have NEVER been there.

I was so worried that I would not be accepted in the West Coast TK community for a number of reasons, one of which was my race. My first gathering destroyed that issue. I was accepted just for who I was, who I am. It was truly a wonderful feeling.

There are some of you on TMF who have added to that feeling. You have given me joy, encouragement, advice, your opinion and the frank truth (which I do respect). There are others that I realize will never see past the color of my skin, my weight, my hair, my eyes, my outer beauty...everything that does not honestly matter, and yet is a part of me because it makes me who I am. All I can say is, your negativity, your anger and your assumptions will cause you to miss out on someone truly wonderful one day. Hell, it could even be me, who knows.

I will live my life and I will live it WELL. I hope everyone else does the same. NO REGRETS!
Love, Laugh, and Tickle
Sunriseticklee

 

[Sunriseticklee]

*BLUSH*

Well I hope she equally understands when I you and say...

Thanks! I really needed that today. And I LOVE ya too! 🙂

Live, Laugh and TICKLE
Sunriseticklee

 

[venray]

maybe we should just forget and move on, but then again we're only human........

We should all definitely move on, but we should NEVER forget lest we allow our selves to repeat the mistakes of the past...and you are right shiningice...we are all only human..if we could only learn to
act accordingly to our fellow human beings. We HAVE come a long way. We HAVE a long way to go. We can only get there if we do it together.




Ven

 

[ShiningIce]

Thats all I was trying to say I guess Sunrise and Venray just said it better *sigh*

 

[venray]

Nah..not better..just differently....difference makes the world go round..😀

 

[Alex Warfield]

I figured I had to add my 2 cents on this. Martin Luther King Jr.'s life should be celebrated. This was a man who fought, without fear of punishment, for what he truly beleived in. He didn't stand at a podium and scream that he wanted more rights for minorities, he stood up and pleaded for everyone to be treated as equals, and urged all who followed him to protest nonviolently, no matter what was done to them. Much was indeed done to them, Mr. King himself was jailed several times, simply for declaring what he knew in his heart was right.

And it is a sad day when a man like that is killed, because it accomplishes nothing. The United States could use more people like him, people who don't discriminate against anyone for any reason, are willing to do anythng to make this a great country to live in, and want nothing more than equal rights, and most importantly, peace.

 

[Strelnikov]

It's time to throw another bomb, just to stir things up.

There's something I've noticed, these past few years. When I do business with an establishment with mostly Black staff and a mostly Black clientele, I'm often treated rudely. The peole who do this are no doubt good neighbors, devoted parents, kind to dogs, etc. I'm guessing they're rude to me because I don't look like them, they can get away with it, and it gives them satisfaction.

It's a little different in government offices. There, it takes the form of dumb insolence. Superficially polite, they seem to go out of their way to be obstructionist and unhelpful. It's as if they're daring me to make an issue of it so that they can scream "RACISM!" Yeah, I know, my tax dollars at work - but it's usually not that way in offices located in the suburbs and staffed mainly by Whites.

This sure looks like racism and discrimination to me. They're not responding to my Rebel Flag lapel pin, because I don't have one. Nor are they responding to trash talk, because I don't do that. It isn't restricted to the South. Both phenomena are worse in the Northeast than here in the Heart of Dixie.

I don't obsess about it. I'll do business with people whose color consciousness is restricted to the green of my money. As for the rest - screw 'em, and the horse they rode in on.

Strelnikov

 

[Zebra]

The same things happen to whites, blacks, chinese, and happen at white, black, chinese businesses.

Racism like that probably will never end.

Don't say "hey, it's views like yours that will keep racism alive!"...

Not true. It's views like mine that are realistic.

What makes up Racism? It's "difference". Well, then if it's difference that makes racism, then maybe the solution is agreed conformity. I won't serve Mexican food at my Las Vegas buffet if YOU agree not to serve Japaneses Sushi at yours.

I won't wear "Italian" silk ties if YOU don't wear FUBU.


I don't want to give up my Heritage...but that's pretty much the only way Racism will end. Everyone gives up everything "personable" that someone else won't like. That's everything...Every little thing you do. There's someone somewhere that doesn't like the way you do that.

Jews don't like the way I eat/serve unkosher food.
East Indians would kill me if they knew how much red meat (cow) I eat.
I'm sure the way we treat our elderly offend the Japanese somehow.


Racism will end if you give up your Heritage.

 

[shark]

I don't agree that racism will end when you give up your heritage. There will always be those who want to stir up trouble,many of out differences will never be eliminated,and there will always be a "market" for those who can benefit from strife among ourselves.

Eternal vigilance .....................

 

[Frink]

It's time to throw another bomb, just to stir things up.

There's something I've noticed, these past few years. When I do business with an establishment with mostly Black staff and a mostly Black clientele, I'm often treated rudely. The peole who do this are no doubt good neighbors, devoted parents, kind to dogs, etc. I'm guessing they're rude to me because I don't look like them, they can get away with it, and it gives them satisfaction.

It's a little different in government offices. There, it takes the form of dumb insolence. Superficially polite, they seem to go out of their way to be obstructionist and unhelpful. It's as if they're daring me to make an issue of it so that they can scream "RACISM!" Yeah, I know, my tax dollars at work - but it's usually not that way in offices located in the suburbs and staffed mainly by Whites.

This sure looks like racism and discrimination to me. They're not responding to my Rebel Flag lapel pin, because I don't have one. Nor are they responding to trash talk, because I don't do that. It isn't restricted to the South. Both phenomena are worse in the Northeast than here in the Heart of Dixie.

I don't obsess about it. I'll do business with people whose color consciousness is restricted to the green of my money. As for the rest - screw 'em, and the horse they rode in on.

LOL. Strel, pal. I think you'll find people's attitudes in business vary MUCH more with the culture and socioeconomic status of the geographical locations in which they live/do business than they do with race. I've certainly noticed similar things in my travels.

My assertion is that those attitudes are generally not tolerated in successful and high-end businesses in more affluent communities. Also, I can assure you the treatment is pretty universal. Af-Ams are NOT known for treating their own better than they treat whites...quite the opposite in fact. (There's an excellent, hillarious comedic show by Chris Rock called "Bring the Pain" that you should check out to confirm this. LOL Of course there's literature, too, but this is FAR more entertaining. 😛 ) Next time it happens to you, just ask a few non-whites how they would rate customer service in those places. I think you'll be surprised how many agree that it is QUITE poor.

That being said, most people would do what you do when that happens a lot--go someplace else. 😎

 

[Strelnikov]

Haven't seen the Chris Rock act you mention, but it brings to mind a conversation a friend reported to me. She was the new kid on the job, and her (Black) boss ripped her a new one over some minor mistake. The terms "dumb blonde" and "cracker" figured into the tirade. She later asked a (Black) co-worker, what's the deal, does she hate me because I'm White? The co-worker said, pay her no mind - she treats EVERYBODY like a nigger.

Strelnikov

 

[SlaverTickler]

Canuck....

I didn't know Canuck was a bad term... wow some one tell the NHL that Vancover's team name is the N-word for Canadians. WOW!

 

[amk714]

Sticks and stones, that's what I say. I'm a yellowface, BTW. Hey, that rhymed! Cool. 😀

 

[Dave2112]

Apparently, someone has ressurected one of my posts from a good two years back. Please understand that this was a thread geared toward a specific incident on a specific television show that has long since passed. I hold no responsibility for anything posted regarding this topic henceforth.

- Dave2112

 

[amk714]

Don't look at me! It was SlaverTickler. 😛

I understand, Dave. I even read the first few posts, and some of the last ones, before responding. It's a good topic, I'll say that much. But yeah, it's a rather ancient thread, and the time that's passed is closer to FOUR years. 😀

 

[Krokus]

I'm glad this was brought back up. It gave me a chance to edit all my posts.

I can't believe I was that fucking stupid back then. I've certainly learned alot since then.

 

[amk714]

Maybe I should find my old posts and edit some of those as well. This is turning out to be an interesting day on the forum. 😀

 

[Dave2112]

Please understand that I'm not saying "Avoid this Thread". I think we've all learned a few things over the last few years. But...I almost pulled my own thread a long time ago. (Actually, I created this thread long before I was even a Moderator).

I just don't want this to turn into something ugly just because it's been resurrected. I would strongly suggest that anyone responding to this thread read the original posts on the first two or three pages before responding. There was a lot of heat (albiet minor) generated by this thread when it was originally posted. As for myself, I've said everything I wanted to on this topic and won't repeat it. Please understand the original topic for this thread before making a response that's four years removed, ok?

Thanks,
Dave

 

[Knox The Hatter]

I always thought Boston Public was bombastic and pointless...just like everything else from David E. Kelley.