"breaking" a 'lee

[AffectionateDan]

Me, personally?

I'll never see the appeal of "breaking" someone. To me, it's a shared experience in joy, meant to last as long as possible. Making a mission of ending it sooner, setting out to render them incapable of standing it any longer is just contradictory in my book. But I'm prolly in the minority on this.

EDIT--

Having just read Bella's post, I have to applaud her reply to this. Well spoken!

 

[terorizer]

I'll never see the appeal of "breaking" someone. To me, it's a shared experience in joy, meant to last as long as possible. Making a mission of ending it sooner, setting out to render them incapable of standing it any longer is just contradictory in my book. But I'm prolly in the minority on this.

EDIT--

Having just read Bella's post, I have to applaud her reply to this. Well spoken!

I understand and agree.... EXCEPT, if I am really comfortable with a lee and it's what she honestly wants. The Bella breaking is one thing, but I STILL don't know how I would do if tears were involved.

 

[AffectionateDan]

I understand and agree.... EXCEPT, if I am really comfortable with a lee and it's what she honestly wants. The Bella breaking is one thing, but I STILL don't know how I would do if tears were involved.

Oh, I know! Been there, had to deal with that on the tears thing. It's just one of those case-by-case things you have to be on the lookout for as a 'Ler. The time I actually had tears coming out of a 'Lee I was playing with, I of course stopped to comfort her and find out what was wrong. Then SHE got confused and asked why I had stopped. We had a good laugh about how she was "just crying because she was so happy". Then, play resumed. Life is good.

 

[BellaRisa]

OMG Bella, I can totally relate. Have you ever been forced to beg for tickling? In order to get something else that you want? Those Dom/mes can be so evil.

That would be too easy; I've been forced to beg for a spanking, or worse yet a paddling or a caning, to get the tickling to stop stop omg frickin' STOP; then made to go get the damned toys. That's the closest I've come to putting my own implements into the fireplace durn it 😉

 

[BrightEyes1082]

That would be too easy; I've been forced to beg for a spanking, or worse yet a paddling or a caning, to get the tickling to stop stop omg frickin' STOP; then made to go get the damned toys. That's the closest I've come to putting my own implements into the fireplace durn it 😉

Lulz... we are spoiled, aren't we 😉

 

[drew70]

And if the 'lee requests to be broken? If it is the 'lee's fantasy?

An excellent question, Samanthax. First of all, let's establish what it means to be broken. Most of us know that something is really broken when it needs to be repaired. And anything that gets broken enough times ultimately becomes irreparable. As far as people are concerned, there is little to nothing that when broken heals overnight. Losing a tickle fight or being tickled into saying whatever the Ler wants you to say isn't being broken any more than losing at arm-wrestling is. You've simply run out of the necessary energy to continue resisting. Call it resignation or acquiesence but it hardly qualifies for the term "broken."

To me, the word broken speaks of damage. It speaks of something that no longer functions as it once did. One is broken from tickling when one is forced to endure more tickling than one can bear without traumatic results. Many fantasize about this level of tickle torture. You can read of such fictional incidents in the stories section. But even most of those who fantasize in this way will tell you that these types of fantasies are best left to the realm of the imagination and have no place in the real world.

 

[MrTicklee]

A Very Ticklish Man

There have been many interesting replies on this issue, including a variety of definitions. Could it be that "broken" means different things to different people? As a Lee, I always associated being broken by a Ler as that point of insanity where I cannot take anymore and truely give up. It's not just saying a safe word, but it's not to the non-consentual level others have spoken to either. Rather, it's a place where I am physically and mentally unable to endure anymore. That's what it means to me.

MrTicklee

 

[WheresThe Clip?]

Breaking a lee, is when their foot falls off

 

[slap'n'ticklee]

Oh, how charming I guess you still have the other one 😱

Breaking a lee, is when their foot falls off

 

[P[a]pi]

An excellent question, Samanthax. First of all, let's establish what it means to be broken. Most of us know that something is really broken when it needs to be repaired. And anything that gets broken enough times ultimately becomes irreparable. As far as people are concerned, there is little to nothing that when broken heals overnight. Losing a tickle fight or being tickled into saying whatever the Ler wants you to say isn't being broken any more than losing at arm-wrestling is. You've simply run out of the necessary energy to continue resisting. Call it resignation or acquiesence but it hardly qualifies for the term "broken."

To me, the word broken speaks of damage. It speaks of something that no longer functions as it once did. One is broken from tickling when one is forced to endure more tickling than one can bear without traumatic results. Many fantasize about this level of tickle torture. You can read of such fictional incidents in the stories section. But even most of those who fantasize in this way will tell you that these types of fantasies are best left to the realm of the imagination and have no place in the real world.

When people talk about breaking a lee they are using the word "break" the same way people who train horses use the word "break." They aren't talking about breaking appliances or dishes.

When you break a horse you get it to fully submit to you. The way a lee fully submits to a ler is for her to admit to him that she can't take anymore. She basically says, "Alright, you win." That's the same thing that happens to a horse. The horse can't talk, so it fully submits by action. A lee can talk so she fully submits verbally.


If anybody has a problem with me making the ler male and the lee female, get over it. That's how my relationship is, so that's how I talk. I obviously know that lers and lees can be male or female.

My girlfriend, Meka, has broken me before, so I can take what I dish out as well.

 

[drew70]

When people talk about breaking a lee they are using the word "break" the same way people who train horses use the word "break." They aren't talking about breaking appliances or dishes.

When you break a horse you get it to fully submit to you. The way a lee fully submits to a ler is for her to admit to him that she can't take anymore. She basically says, "Alright, you win." That's the same thing that happens to a horse. The horse can't talk, so it fully submits by action. A lee can talk so she fully submits verbally.

When a lee gives up and submits, they kiss and have sex, she gets a good night sleep, and then the next night, she's fiesty and looking to get tickled again. Nothing's been broken. A horse only needs to be broken once. After that, he's changed forever. He's lost his free will, that spirit that made him unique.

 

[TklDuo-Ann]

For me, to be broken means that I am the one who stopped it. I've been tickled by plenty of folks who wore themselves out or decided that they'd pushed me far enough. But, I've only once been broken.

There are plenty of times when there's a part of me that wants it to stop. But, generally, the part of me wanting it to continue is much stronger. When I get to the point where the part that wants it to continue is no longer perceivable, THEN I've been broken. That's rare.

Frankly, I rather enjoy dangling on the edge between the two...desperate for it to both stop and continue at the same time! Give me a tickler who can keep me dangling there for a good long time and I'm in heaven!

Edit: I love what Bella said. Well put! "there's a far more positive version of 'breaking' that lurks in the heart and mind of many a 'lee, myself included. It involves starting out feisty and even defiant, and taking the play to a level, both mental and physical, where the 'lee finally feels totally enveloped in the sensation, and totally at the mercy of the 'ler to the point of feeling completely bent to their will. And wanting it that way. Logic has little to do with what the soul wants; sometimes we feel safest when we know there's no escape, and we feel most loved when we know there's not much chance for mercy."

 

[Capnmad]

Bella pretty much nailed it in terms of "breaking" someone in the positive sense, which involves taking them to their limit, trust intact after the fact.

For myself, I enjoy a lot of things. Earlier on in my life, I was overeager and thought tickling and such was a sprint to an end, and hopefully, there'd be many such sprints in a session. I'm a little more laid back now, and enjoy it as a... ..."journey" (if that doesn't sound too damned cliché -- but it probably does, so deal) with a variety of possible conclusions. I like to push envelopes sometimes, and others, just play. It all depends on my mood.

There are some of us in the non-vanilla community who like mint chocolate chip, and some who like rocky road. For myself, while I have my personal preferences depending on my mood, I mostly like to share my playmate's favorite flavor, as what makes her the most happy almost always makes me so as well.

It's all about making people feel good (sometimes insanely so ) and feel loved.

 

[mikosu]

For me it pretty much means what someone else said earlier. To me breaking is when I'm tickling him and he gives in and either freaks out or totally gives in. Both I enjoy but breaking a guy who can hold it in is definitely awesome.

 

[DimpleToes]

that wont be hard to find with me.... 5 min wiht me and I will be beggin ya to stop and saying my safe word.... but then again. I am nuclear ticklish with the nerve damage....

 

[P[a]pi]

When a lee gives up and submits, they kiss and have sex, she gets a good night sleep, and then the next night, she's fiesty and looking to get tickled again. Nothing's been broken. A horse only needs to be broken once. After that, he's changed forever. He's lost his free will, that spirit that made him unique.

What you said about a horse is true, but with lees they keep coming back for more. You can break them over and over again. Breaking them doesn't make them not like tickling anymore, and it doesn't make them less ticklish either.

It's true that a lee might not want to have sex after she has been broken, cus she is exhausted, but who said sex has to come after every tickling session, or any tickling session for that matter.

Also, a lee doesn't have to be broken in every session. You can alternate from what you described to what I described.

 

[drew70]

Also, a lee doesn't have to be broken in every session. You can alternate from what you described to what I described.

I would not ever willingly break a lee in the way I described. If I were the ler in a session, and she asked for this kind of breakage, I'd say, "Gee, look at the time! Gotta go!" and then I'd recommend her as the new spokes-bird for Cocoa Puffs.

 

[NG02]

Exactly Samantha. I'm glad to see so many folks in this thread who understand that the negative version of breaking a 'lee, where she's upset and angry and can no longer trust you, is wrong wrong and a little more wrong. It's selfish and a violation. Having said that, there's a far more positive version of 'breaking' that lurks in the heart and mind of many a 'lee, myself included. It involves starting out feisty and even defiant, and taking the play to a level, both mental and physical, where the 'lee finally feels totally enveloped in the sensation, and totally at the mercy of the 'ler to the point of feeling completely bent to their will. And wanting it that way. Logic has little to do with what the soul wants; sometimes we feel safest when we know there's no escape, and we feel most loved when we know there's not much chance for mercy

Example: one evening a few years ago, my longterm Dominant randomly decided that he wanted me to say the word "tickle" for him. I couldn't then and I can't now, especially put on the spot that way...he didn't care. He never used bondage, he's 6'2 and weighs 100 lbs more than I do. Don't even ask me how long he tickled me that night, I have no idea. All I know is that finally he had me flat on my back on the carpet in just a short sleeveless nightie, both my wrists in one of his hands and my legs tangled up in his while he lay halfway on top of me, his ridiculously ticklish goatee dividing it's time between my underarm and my neck (bastard) and his free fingers doing terrible, terrible things to my hipbones (BASTARD). Let's not even mention that area on my lower sides that only a few of you know about...and yet it wasn't the tickling that 'broke' me. It was the way he kept whispering "say it little girl, say it or I'll never let you go and you know I've got all night SAY IT" over and over that finally destroyed all my resistance. In fact, technically I never even said it, I remember going "Ti-Ti-Ti-T..." and having that sad attempt accepted because I honestly couldn't say anymore, I was that gone Afterward he gave me a long rubdown and was nothing but kind and nurturing, it's still one of my favorite sessions ever. And was I broken? Hell yeah You can definitely break someone safely. And fuel their fantasies for years.

OH MY DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now if that isnt one of the hottest things ive ever heard Bella. Holy shit...um...wow what a great experience just to hear about so being there mustve been unreal. On a seperate note im not really sure what it means to break a lee considering I havent really had a chance to unleash to full skills in these hands *does the superman "hands on hips" pose while looking in different direction*. I mean when I first met Ticklee1973 our first night I made her safeword 7 times in a few hours....thats about the closest I got.

Oh and by the way Bella.....*whispers*......I have a very long goatee aswell

 

[Elphaba]

I consider myself well and truly 'broken' when the tickling is so intense and unbearable that I'm begging and begging and screaming "STOPSTOPSTOP"
Thankgod for the safeword otherwise I'd be f***ed since Mr.Elphaba doesn't understand the concept of stop anymore.
I'm also 'broken' when the slightest thought of being tickled or even a draft catching me has me laughing from terror.
But I love to get that way otherwise I wouldn't get myself into that situation!
WE ALL MUST BE MAD!! Lol

 

[jmsdarke]

Breaking the Dominatrix 'lee

To me, breaking a 'lee is tickling them to the point where they cease to put up a front that they have any control over their response to your touch and are therefore a moving musical instrument under control or the 'ler... and then taking her just beyond that point to explore emotions she would otherwise never know.

To me, breaking the 'lee has less to do with exhaustion and more to do with communicating power exchange. I'll explain it with this stimulating mental movie sequence -

1. A powerful super sexy and very prideful dominatrix refuses to be dominated.

2. She walks into your car dealership and has her heart set on buying a Chrysler Crossfire, but is short $5,000.

3. I let her know I know her status in her profession as a dominatrix and offer to discount the car $1,000 for a session to tickle her.

4. We haggle all the way up to $5,000 with the caveat that I can never let anyone know about this dark moment in her career. I agree, but insist, the session will be 60 minutes babe.

5. I take her to my den on iniquity and bind her to the bed spread eagle face up wearing only her lacy underwear.

6. She maintains her front all along letting me know she's only a little ticklish and am sure I'll be so sorry that I wasted $5,000 over this. She lets me know I'm so silly and petty. She tries to humiliate me as her final attempt to discourage me, but she wants the dam car since she's already told her friends that she's got it.

7. Without having to make my ultimate request, she tries to dom me from her bound predicament.

8. I start into her inner thighs with my masterfully tickling fingers hot and heavy with no delicate build up and time wasting easy touches, just to assure her that she will be the submissive in our little private show. She erupts like a tied bucking bronco jolted with a cattle prod, forgetting in that moment to dom anyone, and just deal with what's happening. This 'welcome to hell' and a 'hi how are you' first contact lasts an abominable 60 seconds.

9. As I stop she yells "fuck you", to which i respond "well only if you're really nice to me little girl". Our eyes make contact and she knows saying anything more will only show the true weakness and fear within her. The piercing daggers from her eyes express the many ways she'd love to kill me just for my part in this most serious mistake.

10. As I go through the ritual of removing her shoes, I explain that my ultimate fantasy has always been to "tie and tickle a super dominatrix to the point where I break her will and then take her just beyond". As I say the word "beyond" I drag my fingernails across her now totally bare, vulnerable and helpless left foot. She yelps, screams, spasms and shudders. I say "what a cute little girl". She grunts in defiance of both my incessant insolence and the way her body now betrays her reputation.

11. In a faux moment of decency I heavily lotion her bare soles. She's pleased within herself that I've gone the wrong way and reduced her torture for those moments at least. There's no talking, just dead silence between us. and as a most horrid tickle terrorist I attack with the 10 toed African hair brush on her bear soles which now plead for mercy (unlike her unrepentant mouth).

12. For 5 long minutes I apply the full focus and all skill acquired in my lifetime to tickle molesting the trapped, lotioned and bare soles of the super dominatrix. She hears sounds escape her mouth that seem to have the sole purpose of embarrassing her. In the midst of this most intense foot tickling, being strong willed, she allocates a task in a segment of her mind to try and undo the restraints of her right hand.

13. At the 4 minute point, she accepts undoing the restraint won't work, so she's trying to yank it hard enough to break it. My response is to put the brush down and go after her bare feet with my teeth. Now she flops around like an electrified remote controlled fish. I say to her "dance baby dance".

14. Being a merciful tormentor, at the 5 minute point, I give her 30 seconds to recover. She twitches and spasms uncontrollably though untouched. "Good thing you're only a little ticklish" I say. Still she's committed to say as little as possible to try and retain some of her self respect.

15. As a bit of psychological warfare, to soften her up a bit and precondition her to failure I explain that "the tickle foreplay is over and all hell will now break loose on your upper body. Prepare for a full power drain". As proof that I have successfully communicated with 'Little Miss' she yells out "fuck you James, fuck you". I respond "now that's hot Little Miss".

16. To heighten the effect, I straddle her quickly and immediately proceed to do the deed. I stay 30 to 60 seconds on the vital parts - ribs, under arms, neck, groin, nipples. I maintain eye contact when ever her sanity permits. The power exchange is undeniable and visible in the demeanor of her face.

17. At the five minute point she yells a new word, "Okay, Okay, Okay". Taking the tickle tempo down a notch for our little chat, I ask "Okay what Little Miss"? Little Miss says "Ok, you got me". I respond, thanks for the info, but that's not news". I take the tempo back up to full.

18. During the next 60 seconds, she blesses me with her final stand. She tries to hold her break, tense up and hold everything in. Without a word, I adjust my position and go for the kill shot - her groin and butt crack simultaneously. She makes the most beautiful and freakish body movements and sounds. I comment to her that she sounds like an undiscovered creature.

19. At the 15 minute point she yells out in a crying voice "I'm done". I stop immediately. I give her a minute to compose herself. I undo all restraints. She just lays there, but is unable to stay still, convulsing with giggles and little tears. "The deal with 60 minutes for $5,000 off the price of the car Little Miss". So this presents us with a problem slash opportunity". "Complete three more of our tickle sessions and our deal holds or walk away with only the power exchange session of your lifetime" I say. She lays silent for a minute then says "I didn’t want to, but I fucking loved it James. We have a deal"

Yeah, I'm twisted like that.

James Darke

 

[tickleshotel]

Tickling them to the point where they really just stop fighting it and give in... with tickling leading to them being totally worn out.

I'm not so much into the whole tickle torture to extreme where they're freaking out. Unless, of course, that's what they desire.

Now that is what I am talking about Marcusb,fighting for a bit then just succumbing to the experience of new heights,levels for the lee that remain to be explored ..getting exhausted to gasps of breath ,light headedness ,endorphins spinning and lingering in that "high"

 

[giggle-maker]

That was one of the best stories I've ever read!!

I soooo hope this was a true incident! Thanks for sharing that James!

 

[tickleshotel]

Breaking a lee in my mind is to have the whole tickling session from beginning to the end a wonderful pleasurable experience in many ways ,respecting limits,boundaries tickling lightly with fingertips at times,but having some degree of intensity where all 10 of my fingertips are scribbling
eagerly telling them they are a fanastic lee and I could ,would stop at any minute if they said the word but tickling them is like playing a musical instrument,making a song together by my touches and their reactions are like music. From that perspective, songs have their beginning,their harmony and the lows,the dramatic ending or the slow,soothing light chorus leading then the music fading .

 

[tkrunner]

In my opinion, breaking a 'lee is when the person is tickled to the point of completely losing all control. The person can no longer take it and breaks down and crys, begging for it to stop. Unable to withstand being tickled anymore. I would break a 'lee only if the person wanted to be tickled to that point, other than that it's kinda cruel.

 

[DimpleToes]

In my opinion, breaking a 'lee is when the person is tickled to the point of completely losing all control. The person can no longer take it and breaks down and crys, begging for it to stop. Unable to withstand being tickled anymore. I would break a 'lee only if the person wanted to be tickled to that point, other than that it's kinda cruel.

I agree with you... only to the point both parties have agreeded to beforhand..