Bullying and teen suicides

[SlaverTickler]

Some already do...and unfortunately, the vicitms get in as much trouble as the bullies (I don't remember exactly where I read those things, but googling for "zero tolerance nightmares" should bring up some of those stories or message board posts).

I've heard about that to. If a victim stands up to a bully all of the perpetrators friends say the other kid started it. I remember seeing something on a talk show where a woman was upset because her son was on the receiving end of this, and he was sent to a "special" class for the troubled kids. So basically you had a victim of bullying stuck in a class room full of bullies all because of this Zero Tolerance.

For the record I think Zero Tolerance is a bull shit cop-out so the teachers don't have to actually look into what the actual problem is.

ST

 

[usgrant]

GR violation. Do it again and lose the account.

Myriads

 

[AmericaRocks]

I agree that bullies are stupid, since time and again the nerdy kids have been busted for building bombs or bringing guns into school You would think that after Columbine they would reconsider that sort of behavior. The "nerds" are the brainy kids are smart, maybe not so social, but smart. If you push a smart person to far, they will use their strenth to get you, and smart will always be big in the long run. Smart knows how to rig you car so that the last thing you ever hear is your engine starting.

You'd think they would reconsider, but they just don't. The type of people who bully just generally don't work that way.

I am sorry if it offends you, but the truth is since the fall of the USSR the United States have become global bullies. When the Russian had their empire (digusting as it was) it kept a balance. Both sides knew they could only push so far. Now there isn't anybody keeping the the USA in check and now they feel like they can do whatever they want to whomever they want. Hell I am suprised they haven't tried to invade us up north, since we reffused to go to Iraq.

To an extent, that's true. But I still love my country, and the way you were talking before was pretty rude. I sort of heard it as "OH, well, you're from the US, so of course you love bullies!" This isn't a conversation about our opinions of the USA, so I don't think it was merited.

 

[He-Man]

I've heard about that to. If a victim stand up to a bully all of the perpetrators friends say the other kid started it.
ST

And sometimes it's even worse, where if the victim just gets beat up, they STILL get in trouble for "fighting" .

Like another poster said, bullies are getting away with shit that'd have adults' butts sued off, or tossed in jail.

 

[meangry]

Sorry to say, but at some point, everyone is a bully.

I think at odds here is a view of self worth as a result of said bullying; the kid at Rutgers seems like a well adjusted young man, talented in the arts, intelligent enough to get into such a school, and obviously uncomfortable with his status as a homosexual man to the point where what happened 'forces him' to commit suicide. I think us, with our own private fetish that we like to keep distant from family members like our parents, can understand the humiliation we'd feel if people received a crash course in our sexual nature. Multiply that by about a hundred with something that's actually taboo.

Now suicide is never the answer in this situation; not only could the young man earned himself some money through litigation, but also would have helped put black marks on the police records of two people who were involved in this. He would've received reciprocity. Maybe his parents find out? If your parents can't accept you, then they aren't worthy of your love. I just can't find any rationalization for any of these kids to commit suicide as a result of bullying, if only because bullying is a constant in the standard school system (if only because it borrows more from prison culture than a learned one) and everywhere. Do I think that means limitations on speech? Absolutely not. But those who do something should be punished.

As for the global bullies deal, I can only say this; the world IS a better place with America playing alpha dog. I'd rather be the bully than completely let China and India do whatever they wished. Slaver can cry about obstinate points, about the balance within the USSR, but it only proves a complete ignorance toward reality to make flimsy statements in a thread that doesn't remotely warrant them.

 

[Mitchell]

The people in my school were always told that "Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem", and "Where there's life, there's hope."

I'm one who has always believed that no one other person, or group of people, was worth taking my own life over.

It's unfortunate that the kids who take their own lives can't understand that.

Mitch

 

[Cosmo_ac]

I think at odds here is a view of self worth as a result of said bullying; the kid at Rutgers seems like a well adjusted young man, talented in the arts, intelligent enough to get into such a school, and obviously uncomfortable with his status as a homosexual man to the point where what happened 'forces him' to commit suicide. I think us, with our own private fetish that we like to keep distant from family members like our parents, can understand the humiliation we'd feel if people received a crash course in our sexual nature. Multiply that by about a hundred with something that's actually taboo.

Now suicide is never the answer in this situation; not only could the young man earned himself some money through litigation, but also would have helped put black marks on the police records of two people who were involved in this. He would've received reciprocity. Maybe his parents find out? If your parents can't accept you, then they aren't worthy of your love. I just can't find any rationalization for any of these kids to commit suicide as a result of bullying, if only because bullying is a constant in the standard school system (if only because it borrows more from prison culture than a learned one) and everywhere. Do I think that means limitations on speech? Absolutely not. But those who do something should be punished.

It is true that suicide is a rarity when it comes to bullying. Most kids don't. It's not so much the bullying that causes kids to commit suicide as it is the effects of the bullying, this usually being depression, fear, anxiety, and so forth. This is what tends to cause the children to commit suicide. Here is an article about some more cases.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/101008/world/us_bullying_one_town

I think this part here is where, had i been present, would have came over and bitch slapped the fuck out of them.

The family watched, she said, as the girls who had tormented Sladjana for months walked up to the casket — and laughed.

"They were laughing at the way she looked," Suzana says, crying. "Even though she died."

Just disgusting.

 

[SlaverTickler]

The people in my school were always told that "Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem", and "Where there's life, there's hope."

Ricky Shrouder said that in a TV movie once.

 

[paracarl44]

We had a suicide around here.

A boy was bullied in school, so he stepped out in front of a truck.