Can tickling ever be genuine?

[billylee]

does the fact that someone agrees to be tied up automatically mean that the tickling is tame, by definition?

 

[BellaRisa]

does the fact that someone agrees to be tied up automatically mean that the tickling is tame, by definition?

Absolutely not. How tame the tickling is depends on those involved and how intense they want the session to be. if you're craving a more torturous tickling you need to express that to your 'ler or 'lers; they're not mind readers, especially at a gathering where your comfort and feeling of safety is so very important 🙂 As for videos and clips, that depends on the company but there are most definitely true sessions on film

 

[ZenTickling]

Which brings me to the obvious. I looked at the tickle wrestling clip site immediately to the left, and it was nice, but I wonder if the girls are really being tickled at all. Are they just acting? Are all the lees on all the videos acting more ticklish than they are?
There are many stories on the TMF stories section where the lee - male and female - is afraid, or unwilling, but are there any videos or websites where this is true? Is every tickling video and story, basically, a deception?
At my third NEST, I was mildly restrained and tickled a while, but it was (sorry) a disappointment. I could have simply gotten out of it anytime, and when the wonderful QBWeaver kept asking "green light, yellow light, red light," it was always green. I never felt helpless to escape. This is not a complaint, but an observation: does the fact that someone agrees to be tied up automatically mean that the tickling is tame, by definition?

NO! Most of the girls I work with are from local colleges, and they just want to make some extra money. I don't give them any instructions before the shoot, all their reactions are natural. They cannot get out, but we do work with a safeword. Some use it, some don't. I just got a message from a girl the other day:

"Just wanted to know or hear how the vids are going on the website...I actually enjoy doing it a lot even though its somewhat torture hahaha!"

If you're looking for real tickle torture, you're going to have a tough time. Torturing someone like that is definitely illegal unless you get their consent beforehand, and there aren't too many people out there that are willing to sign something that states "I'm not going to untie you no matter what you say".

 

[switchbet]

As for videos and clips, that depends on the company but there are most definitely true sessions on film [/QUOTE]


Which begs the question: if every site or clip pretends to be genuine, how can we tell which ones really are? I'm looking at the same photo he was, on the left, with the girl tied up on the wrestling rope. Very nice. It's a turn-on. But she isn't really helpless, which spoils the effect. The more helpless and trapped a lee appears to be, the more entertaining is the image or video, or story.
Billy's walking a rhetorical tightrope - he wants to see "genuine" tickling, which gets close to non-consensual. And I assume that's a no-no. There are (probably) sites that have non-consensual tickling, and the FBI is watching right along with everybody else.
And there may be no middle ground - no level of degrees - from consensual to non-consensual. It may be either/or, in which "vanilla" is 99% and "genuine" is 1% of the content.

 

[dvnc]

Next time you're with a mob of us, request what you want. Seriously. If you were being tickled before, clearly there are those who want to tickle you.

Tell 'em what you want, as specifically as possible, and you're more likely to have that, or better. 🙂

 

[billylee]

Interesting. I didn't say it that way You give food for thought.

 

[BellaRisa]

Which begs the question: if every site or clip pretends to be genuine, how can we tell which ones really are? I'm looking at the same photo he was, on the left, with the girl tied up on the wrestling rope. Very nice. It's a turn-on. But she isn't really helpless, which spoils the effect. The more helpless and trapped a lee appears to be, the more entertaining is the image or video, or story.
Billy's walking a rhetorical tightrope - he wants to see "genuine" tickling, which gets close to non-consensual. And I assume that's a no-no. There are (probably) sites that have non-consensual tickling, and the FBI is watching right along with everybody else.
And there may be no middle ground - no level of degrees - from consensual to non-consensual. It may be either/or, in which "vanilla" is 99% and "genuine" is 1% of the content

I'm not sure how to answer you; when I refer to a 'genuine' video, I mean a truly ticklish girl who's reactions are 100% real. If the fact that she either enjoys being tickled and wants to be there, or hates it but is willing, means it's not genuine by your definition, then there probably aren't many vids and clips for you; producers would have to lie and trick people to accomplish that, there'd be more yelling and swearing than laughing going on, and that's not what we tend to want to do or show. To say nothing of the legal and personal moral issues... 🙂

 

[maggie772]

Billy's walking a rhetorical tightrope - he wants to see "genuine" tickling, which gets close to non-consensual. And I assume that's a no-no.

Is it a no-no? Is there a way to make a non-consensual situation, or a consensual in which the lee is really scared or trapped, that's legal?
I watched a youtube video of Trish Stratus being forced to strip in the ring on WWE, with the large crowd hooting in anticipation, and it was surprisingly exciting. I almost wanted to be in her place. Until the end, of course, when she was "saved" by her own tormentor.
Can the pursuit and capture situations in TMF stories section be more than just a fantasy?

 

[maggie772]

I haven't been to NEST, so I don't know this answer. Do they have real tickle fights where the outcome is unknown - where even the participants do not know who will be the lee before the match begins? Do they have some kind of a drawing or contest in which the 'loser' is determined spontaneously, the way a loser is determined in strip poker? I would show up for that.

 

[Swizzle Stick!]

I haven't been to NEST, so I don't know this answer. Do they have real tickle fights where the outcome is unknown - where even the participants do not know who will be the lee before the match begins? Do they have some kind of a drawing or contest in which the 'loser' is determined spontaneously, the way a loser is determined in strip poker? I would show up for that.

If this tickle fight thing happened at NEST then I assume because of where it was taking place the lee would still be somewhat "safe" from things being taken too far because of the people in attendence who would be experienced enough to know when enough was really enough with or without a safeword. If you take things too far in any sexual situation imo it's just not cool and stops being enjoyable.

 

[Swizzle Stick!]

Is it a no-no? Is there a way to make a non-consensual situation, or a consensual in which the lee is really scared or trapped, that's legal?

That's like asking if forcing sex on a female who's scared and trapped as a result would ever be legal. It becomes more about what you want and not only does that comes across as selfish it breaks a lot of fundamental rules in any relationship. One of them being one of the most important and that's trust. How is that a turn on?

 

[billylee]

That's like asking if forcing sex on a female who's scared and trapped as a result would ever be legal. It becomes more about what you want and not only does that comes across as selfish it breaks a lot of fundamental rules in any relationship. One of them being one of the most important and that's trust. How is that a turn on?

The original post was on the difference between obviously 'staged' videos and the possibility of more 'unstaged' videos.

 

[commander]

I watched a youtube video of Trish Stratus being forced to strip in the ring on WWE, with the large crowd hooting in anticipation, and it was surprisingly exciting. I almost wanted to be in her place. Until the end, of course, when she was "saved" by her own tormentor.

I saw a set of videos on Youtube, by using these keywords: italian TV stripping game. It was some Italian game show -the europeans are so lovely - in which two couples answer questions, and the losing couple's wife (only the wife!) has to remove a piece of clothing. On TV. In front of a crowd. In one case the woman was so upset that she refused to go further, after her husband got the question wrong. It was cool.
That's also a case of consensual (the couples volunteered to be on the show) and non-consensual (the wives were reluctant to strip once the show started).
I saw yet another set of videos on Youtube in which girls on spring break spun a big wheel. only one of the spinning wedges said "get naked" so they didn't know whether it would land on that wedge. In at least one case the host "helped" the spinning wheel stop on the get naked wedge, and the girl had to...you know...and she was not happy about it. Very nice. Consensual and non consensual.
Is that what we really mean?

 

[3xPIN]

I'm not sure I understand what you are asking. All the stories I've written are genuine. I don't know why it isn't doing anything for you. I guess I don't understand what you mean by "real" and "genuine" to give you a good enough answer.
But in most videos and stories, it seems more like a scenario acted out by players on a stage and romantic scribblings than "reality". But that is because I can't relate to them. What happens to me is different than what happens to you.
I suppose I can't help you. Don't give up hope. You just haven't got the experience you are looking for.

Here is my advice: Communicate what you want so you can get it. Now you have obviously made the first step by posting this thread and I hope we can help. Good luck in finding "Genuine tickling".

 

[Swizzle Stick!]

Ok, let's step back a minute. I never meant forced sex.
The original post was on the difference between obviously 'staged' videos and the possibility of more 'unstaged' videos. I'm thinking of an incident at my first NEST, in which Lee Allure and a few women arranged to gang tickle a guy named Jamie, in front of a crowd. It was consensual - because he was there - but the tickling itself was not consensual, because he didn't know it would happen, and he didn't volunteer for it. They knew him well enough to trust he would not be offended.
Maggie's idea is interesting: could it be arranged that a group of people get together and not know who would be the lee? Some who want to be the lee would not be picked, but some who did NOT want to be the lee could be picked. Everyone would show up knowing the possibility of being picked, but no one would be allowed to volunteer. That may be what people meant by non-consensual, and consensual, at the same time.
Is there a way to film that sort of party and put it on the web - so the protesting reaction of the lee is "genuine" and they are reluctant to be tickled, while they have still given permission. In order to be present, everyone would have to consent to a tickling with details not of their choosing, in order to witness the same tickling scenario of others.

Gotcha. Thank you for clearing that up. Now that I know where you're coming from that sounds like a rush. 😀

 

[milagros317]

I guarantee you that my nonfiction stories are genuine and really happened. Here is my favorite: http://www.ticklingforum.com/showthread.php?t=30972
😀

 

[Deleted member 66627]

I haven't been to NEST, so I don't know this answer. Do they have real tickle fights where the outcome is unknown - where even the participants do not know who will be the lee before the match begins? Do they have some kind of a drawing or contest in which the 'loser' is determined spontaneously, the way a loser is determined in strip poker? I would show up for that.

No, no.

NEST, although a gathering for folks who enjoy tickling isn't the main reason for it's creation.

It's what helps cement the fact that the TMF is, infact a community. Does that mean there's absolutely NO tickling going on at all? No. Just means that it's not always the focal point. Folks gather, talk, meet, catch up, play happens-- all is well. It's not just a giant 'tickle fight'. Although those, I'm sure happen and whatever the rules are, are discussed beforehand between parties.

It's just not the main aspect of NEST. More like a pleasent sidebar. 🙂

And no filming or images are to be produced without heavy mutual consent of all parties involved.

As far as genuine tickling?

It's really frustrating that we all can't grasp the fact that models are indeed ticklish. Put faith in your producer, would they sell you crap?

No. Because that brings no income for them and much less enjoyment at their job because they would be fielding billions of genuine complaints. A person's laugh, a person's physical reactions are going to vary with the person.

If you're feeling good and you can tell your Ler is enjoying him/herself? There's a damn good chance that the whole action is genuine.
Most people aren't jumping to touch on others that they don't want to. So, naturally there has to be a mutual interest holding.

I think you're putting too much emphasis on the word Genuine. I think the issue is that you didn't have an enjoyable experience due to whatever reason and thus are thinking that certain appeals of folks tickling one another isn't honest.

You've got to try talking with the Ler during. Don't be afraid to pipe up about what you like or if you want more of it. If you don't feel comfortable directly requesting, then openly teasing or goading them on always seems to work as well. There was this one guy at a gathering who was being gang tickled by myself and 2 other girls and he had no qualms speaking up for more. And this guy is one of the shyest folks I know.

Just as much as the Ler wants to play with you, they also want to make sure you're enjoying it as much as they are. They can't know this, if you don't tell them.

 

[3xPIN]

No, no.

NEST, although a gathering for folks who enjoy tickling isn't the main reason for it's creation.

It's what helps cement the fact that the TMF is, infact a community. Does that mean there's absolutely NO tickling going on at all? No. Just means that it's not always the focal point. Folks gather, talk, meet, catch up, play happens-- all is well. It's not just a giant 'tickle fight'. Although those, I'm sure happen and whatever the rules are, are discussed beforehand between parties.

It's just not the main aspect of NEST. More like a pleasent sidebar. 🙂

And no filming or images are to be produced without heavy mutual consent of all parties involved.

Well said. I have always wondered that about gatherings. You just answered a lot of question I never bothered to ask. I hope it isn't off topic to say: thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Deleted member 66627]

Well said. I have always wondered that about gatherings. You just answered a lot of question I never bothered to ask. I hope it isn't off topic to say: thanks for clearing that up.

Anytime, hon.

If you have any questions feel free to PM me. LeeAllure is the best person to get answers to questions as well as DVNC.

Here's a link to the NEST gathering section on this forum: Here.

There you can read recaps of the gathering as far as there being a shitload of threads on FAQs and so on.

Sorry! Back on topic. 😀

 

[Redmage]

Ok, let's step back a minute. I never meant forced sex.
The original post was on the difference between obviously 'staged' videos and the possibility of more 'unstaged' videos. I'm thinking of an incident at my first NEST, in which Lee Allure and a few women arranged to gang tickle a guy named Jamie, in front of a crowd. It was consensual - because he was there - but the tickling itself was not consensual, because he didn't know it would happen, and he didn't volunteer for it. They knew him well enough to trust he would not be offended.

That doesn't mean it was not consensual, it's another way of saying that they knew in advance that he would consent to it. It was risky, perhaps - they might have been wrong - but it was consensual; it just wasn't pre-negotiated.

If that's your definition of "nonconsensual" or "genuine" then you might want to re-examine it. There's a great deal of perfectly genuine tickling outside that model - the vast majority of it, in fact. In any case it still would not work for a professional video. You can't reliably stage something like that for commercial production.

 

[leechmaster]

Even if you're not looking for a surprise- / non-consentual element in videos but just genuine tickling, it can be hard enough to find good material. Videos in which a truly ticklish girl is tied in a way where she can't get out and has to rely on her safe word are very very rare which is a shame. I'd go as far as to say that about 75 % of current releases being advertised here are either weak in terms of ticklishness or blatant fake. But if you look close enough you can manage to find a few gems with true ticklishness and bondage that keeps the 'lee in place. Which is a lot, isn't it?