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Can women get past a guy being ugly, but not fat?

RealManOfGenius

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I've heard recently that while women are less visually stimulated than men in terms of what they look for in a mate, and can thus still find an ugly guy sexy if he has other things going for him, if the guy is fat that's a different story. Basically from what I've heard its because women feel a guy can only do so much about being ugly, but being fat (usually) is something he can control. And if he doesn't care enough to at least keep himself in reasonable shape, then he must have low self-esteem and all the baggage/issues that usually go with low self-esteem. Again, this is what I've heard as far as how women view fat/obese men. Any truth to it? As I read someone point out: there are dating services, magazines, etc that cater specifically to BBW's and the men who love/lust after them. When was the last time you heard of anything similar for fat men and the women who love/lust after them?

PS: of course all of this goes out the window if the guy is rich/powerful. I think it was Henry Kissinger who said "power is the ultimate aphrodesiac". But I'm concerned with the rest of us fat guys who aren't rich or powerful. I'm going to go eat something while I wait for some responses.
 
I don't think women think too deeply about that. You get over a person's physical appearance because you just get used to it or start to appreciate their personality. Its the same for both ugliness and obesity. For some reason I feel like an asshole for typing that.

Anyway, if you could just disregard people's problems by rationalizing them dating would be a lot easier.
 
I guess it depends on the woman. For me, I am much more concerned with a man's personality and ability to completely dominate me than I am his physical appearance, as well as our being able to be like normal friends outside of BDSM activity. Although being good looking is never discouraged. 😉
 
Attraction is important but so is personality.

As Janet said in RHPS: "I don't like men with too many muscles." :rotate:

However one can only overlook things for so long if they truly bother you.
 
I guess it depends on the woman. For me, I am much more concerned with a man's personality and ability to completely dominate me than I am his physical appearance, as well as our being able to be like normal friends outside of BDSM activity. Although being good looking is never discouraged. 😉

100% agree.
 
Ya know, I actually thought my ex-husband was one of the ugliest gents I had ever seen in my life the night I met him. Looks really never meant much to me when it came to dating (hell, I'm far from being model quality myself), so when I got to know him a little and he asked me to go out with him, I readily accepted. Once I fell in love with him I thought he was very attractive. Having such deep feelings for him made him beautiful in my eyes. After we were married a few years I discovered what an asshole he could be and grew to hate him, and along with that found him repulsive again. So I guess for me, personality overrides everything.

I got lucky this time around and found a man who is not only my soul mate when it comes to personality, but he's pretty damn cute, too. And I thought he was HOT the second I laid eyes on him, so he didn't need to win me over with his over-abundance of wit and charm. Of course, if he was nosferatu I would still think he was the sexiest man in the world because he is perfect in my eyes in every way.

As for ugly vs. fat, makes no difference to me. I actually tend to prefer guys with some meat on their bones. Makes em more capable of holding my big ass down when we're playing. 😀
 
This is a phenominal first!

Normally, these are usually threads posted about fat women being ugly; this is the first thread I've seen about men.

Pretty much everyone knows that I'm a big girl; BBW+ big baby! And the OP is right, there are plenty of websites that cater to BBW women and I don't know of any website specifically exclusive to large men. But largeandlovely.com helped me find a connection that changed my life about three years ago.

I had not dated in about six years and was on the internet one day bored and lonely as hell. I started looking at BBW websites and ran into largeandlovely.com. I started reading the profiles and decided to post my own. I wouldn't post a photo because my self-esteem wasn't exactly at an all time high. It was rough going initially, but eventually I got a response from a gentleman from my area. We met shortly afterwards on a blind date to a public restaraunt (sp). I had an exceptional crappy week so a coffee date turned into a drink date; I remember being so nervous that I did most of the talking; he seemed to enjoy not having to control the conversation. I can still remember when he initially got out the car; he was a massive guy at 5'9" tall and about 350 lbs! I never dated a man so large; I was always the heavy in my relationships if you know what I mean! My first thought was that this wasn't going to work because he's just too big for me! I know it sounds prejudiced, and it was. I was used to either shorter, smaller or thinner guys; they have an attraction to women my size that's simply unbelievable! Let's just put it this way; if there's a guy in the room 5'6" or under I can almost guarantee that he'll zero in on me like a heat-seaking missle!!

I remember during our date my neck being so tight that I thought I'd choke; he noticed it and on the way to the parking lot, he gave me a quick shoulder massage. I hadn't been touched by a man in years; I was rendered almost helpless. When he kissed me, it was the most gentle, loving, erotic kiss I had in years! It was the beginning of a relationship that helped me heal and one of the best friendships I ever had.

We were together for almost a year when life's stresses and struggles got in the way. Personally, I think he got spooked and backed away from me because he had never been in love before. We remained friends until he recently passed away at the age of 46. I didn't find out about his death until nearly two months later; I'm still overwhelmed and upset about it all and trying to find understanding of it all. R.I.P. Jerry-I miss you very much!

If you want to find someone who will accept you just the way you are today, not when you lose the weight or do whatever society claims is acceptable, try the largeandlovely.com website. There are plenty of men there who are in your same boat. I can give you some other sites if you're intersted; PM me sometime! I found my current SO on a different site; he's 5'3" and if he stood behind me, you wouldn't find him! But he knows how to make this girl happy if you know what I mean!!:idunno:

I have a girlfriend who is 5'2" and about 130 lbs and she won't date a guy under 300 lbs! Her ex and I had a conversation once and we agreed that bigger may not be better in certain instances. But after being with Jerry, I learned better. And mimi is right, there's something about that big man being able to pin and tickle the crap outta' you is downright sexy as hell!!

In the end, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and I truly believe that there is someone for everyone in this world. If you don't believe me, go to a public place and do some people watching. Some of the couples will make you spin your head like Linda Blair in the Exorcist!!
 
From my experience, I believe there is two kinds of fat when it comes to males in a woman's eyes. There is sloppy fat and "fit" fat. When I was in college, two guys come into my mind. Both were about three hundred pounds or so. One guy had all the chicks around him and the other guy never had women around him. One guy is what I would call "fit" fat and the other guy is what I would call "sloppy" fat.

Sloppy fat: This guy let his weight control his outward appearance. This guy usually tended to dress and eat like a slob. When he ate he it would fall on his shirt (which was never ironed.) He would wear his clothes one size too small or one size too big. Eats like food will be wiped off the earth by tomorrow and doesn't do much grooming to himself. He let his physical appearance fall where it may. Women will tend to be turned off by sloppy fat.

Fit fat: This guy didn't let his weight dictate his appearance. He was into sports and use his weight to his advantage. Like football or wrestling. He would eat large meals but in moderation. Kept himself looking neat and groomed. Wasn't looking for sympathy for his weight or does he consider it a handicap. He was fat but he still kept himself active in some kind of way. Women tend to be drawn to the in shape/out of shape fit fat.
 
hm...

Women tend to be drawn to the in shape/out of shape fit fat.

Interesting. I always think of women being drawn to a guy's confidence.

Great story Lady Kis and I'm sorry for your loss.:dropatear

For the O.P.~what a wretched question~why do you think so lowly of yourself? How are you so sure that you're either?
XOXO
 
I have to go with RealManofGenius here.

I'm a heavy guy. And for some reason, that tends to turn women off, at least some of them. I guess they figure because I'm "physically degenerate," I must be sexually degenerate.

Any ideas?
 
I hope girls can look past my hideous looks (and slightly effeminite ways) to find the charming personality that lies underneath. When you see my pic, you can understand the troubles I have.

<a href="http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd51/sandrock74/?action=view&current=girlfriend.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd51/sandrock74/girlfriend.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>
A face only dear ol' mom could love!
 
Interesting. I always think of women being drawn to a guy's confidence.

Great story Lady Kis and I'm sorry for your loss.:dropatear

For the O.P.~what a wretched question~why do you think so lowly of yourself? How are you so sure that you're either?
XOXO

Thanks goddess; still hurts like hell!

And I'd like to ask the OP the same question; where is your self-esteem? Just like a man wants a woman with self confidence and self-esteem, that's the first personality traits I look for in a man. He doesn't have to be overly gorgeous (not that I'd turn that down) but he has to exude confidence; that's the ultimate in masculinity to me! A pleasant face and great conversation are a must, the rest is negotiable!

Now you guys pick up your heads, and start discovering what's good in you instead of what's outside of you. You'll become amazingly attractive to women that way.
 
I think a girl can get past the looks thing, if the guy has other things going for him. I know a girl who is one of the most beautiful women I've ever laid eyes on in my life, and her husband is not good looking at all. (This is not only my own opinion, but also the opinion of other girls, and guys, who have seen this guy)

I've spoken to many girls who say that looks don't matter, and that it's what's inside that counts. I don't always believe women think like that, but I think it is true, in some cases.

Mitch
 
I'm not that tiny, but I've always been attracted to tall and thin guys. Most
of the guys I've dated were 5'10"+ and pretty thin and wiry. (6', 150 lbs is
probably average) but there have been a few exceptions with guys who
were shorter. I tend to also date guys that at least I think are cute/attractive,
but I totally agree that the more you like someone, the more attractive they
become to you. It's never just been about looks or size, though - if they
don't have the right personality, the thought of dating them never enters my head.

Oh, and I've known a few wealthy guys, too. Their money and power don't do it
as an aphrodisiac for me, unless all other factors are right.

Lee
 
Does THIS answer your question?! (It sickens me to post this...)

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I will now go throw up, douse myself in gasoline and then light myself on fire...
 
I can only imagine doll, losing a gem like that. And thank you for putting so eloquently what I couldn't express to the OP. :bowing:

M'face is...cute, I guess, not perfect by a long shot but somehow, likeable. Even strangers recognize and I'm always amazed. I was cruising the halls the other day at work and had just run into an old friend and was shining a bit, I walked by an old guy who smiled at me and said, "You have such a happy little face!" Just...out of nowhere.

I lowered my eyes and said, "thank you so much, I do try!" I'm only 5'3" and my weight fluctuates constantly. You know what I find? If people notice, no one seems to mind all that much. It's something that shines from within. I think kis is right~it's a question of mind over matter: if you don't mind, it won't matter. And if she's anything worth holding onto and you're a quality chap, what you look like won't matter to her either.
XOXO

Thanks goddess; still hurts like hell!

And I'd like to ask the OP the same question; where is your self-esteem? Just like a man wants a woman with self confidence and self-esteem, that's the first personality traits I look for in a man. He doesn't have to be overly gorgeous (not that I'd turn that down) but he has to exude confidence; that's the ultimate in masculinity to me! A pleasant face and great conversation are a must, the rest is negotiable!

Now you guys pick up your heads, and start discovering what's good in you instead of what's outside of you. You'll become amazingly attractive to women that way.
 
weight is not an important factor as long as your not sloppy fat as posted.. with filty clothes with food on it.. I have several freinds who are all sizes and who are beautiful to butt ugly.. from actual models and actors you would know if I mentioned there names and those who are average and who are obese. . I dont care what you look like, it is how you treat me as an individual.. if your not embarrased to be seen with me in public for I even though I have lost 90 pds- I am still not a small girl- then I wont be embarrased to be seen with you..
The most important factor is how you treat others is how you will be treated back..

HUGSSSSSSS/Lisa
 
I am a woman and I will tell you what I like in a man.

Confidence is the number one attractor for me. A man who can function without me, has his own hobbies and interests..likes himself..very attractive.

Intelligence and the ability to express himself!..nuff said.

A man who takes some pride in his appearance. Cleanliness and a put together man is very attractive...Now that doesn't mean he can never bum around in sweats and t-shirts.....but he should always be CLEAN...

Weight....Ticklerguy4u put it perfectly. There is a difference between sloppy fat and a few extra pounds on an otherwise active guy. Women are no different than men when it comes to assessing why someone may be overweight. Men like women who take care of themselves and the same is true for this woman. I was married to a man who didn't bath regularly and ended up sedentary and overweight. I worried about his health and when he tried to be active with me....he couldn't. It was distracting. He seemed to me to not care one bit about himself which made him unattractive to me. I realize that this is NOT the politcally correct point of view...but it's honest.

I like a handsome face and body as much as the next woman.....but that is not what makes the man...at all!

The last thing I will say is that woman are coming at this issue from different points of view too. Everyone has their plumb line set differently. I believe that people set their plumb line in accordance to where THEY are. If you are confident...you look for someone that will "meet" you...so to speak...an equal.
 
I guess I'm somewhat echoing what's already been said here, but as far as I can tell, women do tend to prefer tall guys, but when it comes to weight... it really depends.

I'll put it this way. In many cases, a woman is more forgiving of weight if she either is a little thicker herself or if she thinks she's thick (which is often a distorted perception on her part). Then again, I've known bigger girls that prefer skinny guys.

For some women, personality is literally 90% of what they look for. Then again, for others, looks are 90% or money. So, it's kind of hard to generalize this sort of thing.

This may sound somewhat cynical, but honestly, if you're fat, you should probably expect mostly only heavier women to be attracted to you. By the same token, if you're ugly, you can't exactly expect models to date you (unless you either have some really impressive talent or are rich).

The three things that do seem constant in what almost all women want are taller height (or at least equal to their height), cleanliness, and confidence (but not arrogance). Loyalty, intelligence, and personality don't hurt either. Although... sometimes a major intelligence gap (either in your favor or hers) can often be a problem.

So, getting back to the OT, studies have shown that women do tend to prefer guys that are a little thinner than what we typically assume is the ideal build. On the flipside, guys tend to prefer women that are little thicker than what they assume is what we consider ideal.

So... if we're assuming these studies are correct, I guess being a fat guy would generally make it harder to attract women than being slightly below average in looks. Of course, if you're just hideous, then yeah, you can pretty much just go the beer goggles route.
 
Interesting. I always think of women being drawn to a guy's confidence.

Not always Steph. They may like to hang with these guys but some are just considered as "friends." and that is all they will be because there is no physical attraction there despite how much confidence the guy has.
 
Not always Steph. They may like to hang with these guys but some are just considered as "friends." and that is all they will be because there is no physical attraction there despite how much confidence the guy has.

Don't start me with the whole "friends" thing!!! Once a guy is assigned to "friend" status, he's got NO chance of EVER dating that particular girl. Ever.
 
Don't start me with the whole "friends" thing!!! Once a guy is assigned to "friend" status, he's got NO chance of EVER dating that particular girl. Ever.

You sure about that, holmes?

Mizza and I were good friends for 4 years before we started dating, and we never hooked up, never had a one nighter, nothing.

You may want to reconsider what you wrote, Sandrock74.
 
I am a woman and I will tell you what I like in a man.

Confidence is the number one attractor for me. A man who can function without me, has his own hobbies and interests..likes himself..very attractive.

Intelligence and the ability to express himself!..nuff said.

A man who takes some pride in his appearance. Cleanliness and a put together man is very attractive...Now that doesn't mean he can never bum around in sweats and t-shirts.....but he should always be CLEAN...

Weight....Ticklerguy4u put it perfectly. There is a difference between sloppy fat and a few extra pounds on an otherwise active guy. Women are no different than men when it comes to assessing why someone may be overweight. Men like women who take care of themselves and the same is true for this woman. I was married to a man who didn't bath regularly and ended up sedentary and overweight. I worried about his health and when he tried to be active with me....he couldn't. It was distracting. He seemed to me to not care one bit about himself which made him unattractive to me. I realize that this is NOT the politcally correct point of view...but it's honest.

Great points!!!
And don't worry about being politically incorrect, you tell it like it is. And thats not different to the way many men think.
Weight has never been an issue with me ............. unless its gross obesity. More so how a female takes care of herself.
Pride in appearance, cleanliness etc are the first things that I look for. And I have found that when a lady does those things, her confidence is way up there which completes the package. :upsidedow :dog:
 
You sure about that, holmes?

Mizza and I were good friends for 4 years before we started dating, and we never hooked up, never had a one nighter, nothing.

You may want to reconsider what you wrote, Sandrock74.

No, that's ok. I stick by what a typed. 🙂
 
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