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Canada has lost it's due process of law...
- Thread starter Moses25
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So Moses, can you help me understand the order of events here?
It sounds as though somehow the authorities were informed that you had tickling or other fetish material on your comp. Who told them, if you don't mind me asking?
At some point someone with a legal right showed up at your house and either they presented you with a search warrant or you voluntarily allowed them to search your drive. Yes?
Based on what they found, are they charging you with a crime? Or are they attempting to force you into counseling, or both?
And last but not least, what's their rationale for all this? I know that Canadian law has problems with bondage imagery, and most tickling erotica includes bondage. Is that the problem that they're hassling you over?
It sounds as though somehow the authorities were informed that you had tickling or other fetish material on your comp. Who told them, if you don't mind me asking?
At some point someone with a legal right showed up at your house and either they presented you with a search warrant or you voluntarily allowed them to search your drive. Yes?
Based on what they found, are they charging you with a crime? Or are they attempting to force you into counseling, or both?
And last but not least, what's their rationale for all this? I know that Canadian law has problems with bondage imagery, and most tickling erotica includes bondage. Is that the problem that they're hassling you over?
i agree with Red. I'm very curious for more details. Other then that, let's keep it in check gentlemen. If what moses is saying is correct, we have bigger problems to worry about then tiresome bickering. I, for one, would rather have the answers as soon as possible instead of back-and-forth banter that serves no purpose. I'm sure other Canadians who frequent this site feel the same way.
Well, let me first start off by saying that Canada is not what it seems.
Be very wary of that first statement...for it may come back to haunt you one day.
As well, you can forget about agencies such as the RCMP, CSIS, the OPP, and the like. The agencies which are bearing down on me have no public exposure. Call them covert if you'd like, just be aware that they certainly do exist and that they are certainly not benign.
I say that Canada has lost it's due process mainly because my hard drive was searched without seizure. That's right folks. You can purchase all the anti-spyware you want...somebody out there knows EXACTLY what's on your HD...what sites you visit on the web, the frequency, etc. All the while your computer sits comfortably on your desk, and you happily go about your business in cyberspace, unawares that your every move is being followed.
Why me, you ask? Why indeed. It seems that they (I still don't know exactly who) have surmised that some of the tickling and foot pics I have on my hard drive are underaged. Well, I dl pics off the web, from forums (TMF and Mousepad only) and supposedly reputable web sites (FM Concepts, Wu's feet links, etc) and am not privy to the ages of the models used. I guess the good folks brandishing me as some sort of foot-pedophile are privy to such information, b/c they have made my life a living hell.
At no time was any nudity involved in these pics. Just feet and tickling. They don't even seem to care if bondage was displayed. Go figure, huh?
Anyhoo, I haven't been formally charged...I'm still being investigated. Believe it or not, after 9/11, people with brown skin have undergone a vicious scrutiny unheard of in recent times. Just ask the detainees in Toronto jails who have been rotting away since 2001 without a formal charge.
However, this is not revenge on the part of Canada (for crimes that haven't been committed yet?), this is just a scare tactic to keep us lowly "visible minorities" in check.
Jabberwocky you say. My attorney doesn't seem to think so, nor do I. I'm not even supposed to be discussing this with you guys, but I am sooooo insulted by Canada's behaviour that I don't fucking care.
After this is all over, just wait 'til the press hears about this.
Unfortunately or fortunately, my attorney has advised me to wait until the investigation is over before going public.
That's ok. Moses has patience.
Wish me luck.
Cheers.
Be very wary of that first statement...for it may come back to haunt you one day.
As well, you can forget about agencies such as the RCMP, CSIS, the OPP, and the like. The agencies which are bearing down on me have no public exposure. Call them covert if you'd like, just be aware that they certainly do exist and that they are certainly not benign.
I say that Canada has lost it's due process mainly because my hard drive was searched without seizure. That's right folks. You can purchase all the anti-spyware you want...somebody out there knows EXACTLY what's on your HD...what sites you visit on the web, the frequency, etc. All the while your computer sits comfortably on your desk, and you happily go about your business in cyberspace, unawares that your every move is being followed.
Why me, you ask? Why indeed. It seems that they (I still don't know exactly who) have surmised that some of the tickling and foot pics I have on my hard drive are underaged. Well, I dl pics off the web, from forums (TMF and Mousepad only) and supposedly reputable web sites (FM Concepts, Wu's feet links, etc) and am not privy to the ages of the models used. I guess the good folks brandishing me as some sort of foot-pedophile are privy to such information, b/c they have made my life a living hell.
At no time was any nudity involved in these pics. Just feet and tickling. They don't even seem to care if bondage was displayed. Go figure, huh?
Anyhoo, I haven't been formally charged...I'm still being investigated. Believe it or not, after 9/11, people with brown skin have undergone a vicious scrutiny unheard of in recent times. Just ask the detainees in Toronto jails who have been rotting away since 2001 without a formal charge.
However, this is not revenge on the part of Canada (for crimes that haven't been committed yet?), this is just a scare tactic to keep us lowly "visible minorities" in check.
Jabberwocky you say. My attorney doesn't seem to think so, nor do I. I'm not even supposed to be discussing this with you guys, but I am sooooo insulted by Canada's behaviour that I don't fucking care.
After this is all over, just wait 'til the press hears about this.
Unfortunately or fortunately, my attorney has advised me to wait until the investigation is over before going public.
That's ok. Moses has patience.
Wish me luck.
Cheers.
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amk714
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I knew this was bad, but I didn't know it was THIS bad! Wow, that's some serious shit, Moses. I think you've already told us enough; don't jeopardize your case. Listen to your counsel, stick to your guns, and if you go down, do it with 'em blazing. Then you can share your saga with the whole world! Who knows? It might even become a movie. 😀
Good luck (you'll need it), and cheers.
Good luck (you'll need it), and cheers.
This kind of thing is exactly the reason why the TMF has to have a tough policy on posting any content concerning minors or those that appear to be minors......
No matter how innocent the pic, trouble awaits if the model even "looks" too young...
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No matter how innocent the pic, trouble awaits if the model even "looks" too young...
R
sounds like this has more to do with an investigation of child porn then your love of tickling Moses. Either way, i hope you beat it.
Isa, i think that what happened here is that some sites that have child porn are monitered by law enforment agencies. If you go on these sites, even if it's by mistake it's noted. Now, i'm not saying anything like moses went to a child porn site, but if an agency was watching a certain website, and noted him visiting, they could have snagged his IPP there. But then again, with such little information, all i can do is speculate.
Isa, i think that what happened here is that some sites that have child porn are monitered by law enforment agencies. If you go on these sites, even if it's by mistake it's noted. Now, i'm not saying anything like moses went to a child porn site, but if an agency was watching a certain website, and noted him visiting, they could have snagged his IPP there. But then again, with such little information, all i can do is speculate.
Yeah, that is pure speculation Cosmo, as I don't know any child porn sites, nor am interested in viewing such exploitation.Cosmo_ac said:
Tickling and feet are enough for me. But, alas, these sites are monitored too.
Federal agencies make little distinction b/w what they consider to be "perversions".
Cheers.
thanks for answering my question Cosmo. but i still am not sure if this happened in his home? i suppose that doesnt make any difference. i find it scary that people are monitoring what websites i visit. gee so much for privacy.
isabeau
isabeau
It would appear that Canada has as many if not more problems than the US when it comes to what constitutes civil liberties and privacy of it's citizens..
The government should concentrate on shutting down web sites of questionable nature and not invading the privacy of those who may visit them
whether inadvertnately or not....
The government should concentrate on shutting down web sites of questionable nature and not invading the privacy of those who may visit them
whether inadvertnately or not....
SlaverTickler
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I'll lend you something all right.
If I believed you were telling the truth I'd have your back all the way. But I don't so I'm not. You feel your being misshandled by Canadian Justice, you know where we keep the planes.
Venray, you don't like what I have to say, ha, like I care.
If I believed you were telling the truth I'd have your back all the way. But I don't so I'm not. You feel your being misshandled by Canadian Justice, you know where we keep the planes.
Venray, you don't like what I have to say, ha, like I care.
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SlaverTickler said:
Read this, and Newcastle Uni don't seem so bad now, do he?
Good luck with this Moses! Perhaps one day we can even share a bowl of curry together (mine will come with white bread and Cheese Whiz on the side....) Keep us posted on the case; this covert stuff is truly odd.
ewwwwww white bread and cheeze whiz??? yuck. anyway this thing has me so curious. can people actually know what you are entering? i mean via another computer? please forgive me, but i dont know how this works. and by entering i mean a website. someone please enlighten me, i dont see how, while you are in the privacy of your home, someone someplace else can tell what the heck you are doing on your own private computer.
isabeau remember i'm new to computers.
isabeau remember i'm new to computers.
I'm not saying you do Moses. I was just saying that this is something law services do. Once again, i have little information to go on. Also, i trust governments as far as i can throw them, so i wouldn't be surprised if they fucked up.
I'd wager we don't but god knows i don't have a list of the two countries to compare. As far as the government closing the sites down, i agree that would be nice, though i can somewhat see the logic of using them as a means of sting opperations. That said, i think i'm going to do a little looking of things up and see what i can see as far as Canadian internet laws regarding child porn and such. Might find something interesting.
EDIT: As a side note, i should point out that i might be confusing facts, or just plain old wrong. It's been a long time since i've heard anything about this subject, and i could be confusing things.
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Cos...see what you can find and I will do the same for the states....
Let's compare notes in a PM....
Oddjob.... They are both the same kind of troll.....never saying anything important.....just "talking" to hear themselves talk and to make it appear that they are important in some way.....no friends,,,no life...exist only to feed off the misery of others....makes their own lives seem a little less miserable...total definition of the word Dweeb....lol....
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Let's compare notes in a PM....
Oddjob.... They are both the same kind of troll.....never saying anything important.....just "talking" to hear themselves talk and to make it appear that they are important in some way.....no friends,,,no life...exist only to feed off the misery of others....makes their own lives seem a little less miserable...total definition of the word Dweeb....lol....
R
Check THIS out for starters folks........
http://www.adultweblaw.com/laws/childporn.htm
"Section 2256 clearly defines images of minors engaged in sexually explicit conduct as "Child Pornography." It also, however, adds to that definition images that appear to depict a minor engaged in sexually explicit conduct, and images or advertisements that suggest images of minors engaged in sexually explicit conduct. Does that mean that adult websites that display sexually explicit images of legal-age models in pigtails with a lollipop, while surrounded by stuffed animals, can be prosecuted under Child Pornography laws? The short answer is yes. Future prosecutions will determine which direction the law is going. See our Website Prosecutions page for a few examples of current adult website legal issues.
If your adult website displays images that arguably appear to have minors engaged in sexually explicit conduct, make sure that you are prepared. You should have the proper legal forms that you need to comply with federal record keeping requirements, and you should have a lawyer who has already seen your adult website(s) and has some idea about what arguments he or she will make if you are prosecuted. You should also have plenty of money and a desire to make the headlines. Remember, if you are prosecuted for violating child pornography laws, a jury will decide whether the content on your adult website is child pornography. Without a doubt, some juries will see child pornography where there is none. "
http://www.adultweblaw.com/laws/childporn.htm
"Section 2256 clearly defines images of minors engaged in sexually explicit conduct as "Child Pornography." It also, however, adds to that definition images that appear to depict a minor engaged in sexually explicit conduct, and images or advertisements that suggest images of minors engaged in sexually explicit conduct. Does that mean that adult websites that display sexually explicit images of legal-age models in pigtails with a lollipop, while surrounded by stuffed animals, can be prosecuted under Child Pornography laws? The short answer is yes. Future prosecutions will determine which direction the law is going. See our Website Prosecutions page for a few examples of current adult website legal issues.
If your adult website displays images that arguably appear to have minors engaged in sexually explicit conduct, make sure that you are prepared. You should have the proper legal forms that you need to comply with federal record keeping requirements, and you should have a lawyer who has already seen your adult website(s) and has some idea about what arguments he or she will make if you are prosecuted. You should also have plenty of money and a desire to make the headlines. Remember, if you are prosecuted for violating child pornography laws, a jury will decide whether the content on your adult website is child pornography. Without a doubt, some juries will see child pornography where there is none. "
The Courts will likely continue to define what is prohibited under the child pornography laws. For example, if a website displays legal images of children, perhaps scanned from magazines and other legal sources, in a way that a prosecutor believes could excite some viewers, can that website be prosecuted under the child pornography laws? In many states and countries the age of consent is younger than 18. Can the USA prosecute a webmaster in another country who is displaying images of a 16 year old nude model, even if the images are not illegal in the webmaster's home country? The USA invades other countries to enforce its drug laws, so it's possible that webmasters in other countries might find themselves hauled to the USA to face criminal charges if they violate USA child pornography laws.
7. Conclusion:
If you want to be safe, do not display any images of minors on your adult website and do not advertise or suggest that your models are minors. If your website displays any arguably sexual images of minors, you may risk prosecution if it appears that your site exists for the sexual stimulation of viewers. If you display any questionable images of minors on your website, make sure you have a good lawyer. If you have any questionable images on your site, but you know that the model depicted is of legal age, make sure that you have the necessary legal records you will need to produce if you are prosecuted.
7. Conclusion:
If you want to be safe, do not display any images of minors on your adult website and do not advertise or suggest that your models are minors. If your website displays any arguably sexual images of minors, you may risk prosecution if it appears that your site exists for the sexual stimulation of viewers. If you display any questionable images of minors on your website, make sure you have a good lawyer. If you have any questionable images on your site, but you know that the model depicted is of legal age, make sure that you have the necessary legal records you will need to produce if you are prosecuted.
When you visit a website you IP address is logged which id's the computer you are logging in on. If the site records are looked at you can be traced...warrants can be issued....they can come and take a look...
I do not know if they can actually do anything before all of that happens though...At least not here in the US....
I am still looking into that aspect of it...
I do not know if they can actually do anything before all of that happens though...At least not here in the US....
I am still looking into that aspect of it...
