Canelli Video Tapes

[redway10]

I just got the Canelli video tapes and they are pretty good! They are where the Canelli jpg's and mpg's have come from. They feature [brief] tickling in stocks of many Italian women. They do not feature 'merciless' tickle torture (pity), but there are some very good reactions and nice looking women, and 3 different kinds of stocks.

The price is very reasonable - about $25 per 3 hours of video. I bought 12 hours worth (1998, 1999, and 2000). I think 2001 is coming out soon...

The guy who produces the videos is pretty busy (maybe overwhelmed), so it takes like a month to get the order, but it's hard to find stock-tickling videos that don't use paid actresses.

 

[talons]

Yes, I agree real tickling in stocks is indeed hard to come by. But, I think this guy ripped off our buddy Kujman so I wont give him a penny of my money. If I am wrong about this fellow I apoplogize in advance but I believe I am correct on this one. In any event, from what I can tell of his clips they are poorly recorded and unless you speak Italian you cant understand a word of whats going on. I guess you can imagine what these girls are saying but for me I like to hear the actual words. I have seen bits and pieces of some of Kuj's work and it looks to be hands down a much more quality presentation. Having said all that If you go to his site ticklepalace.com you can get a better quality video plus the site is very interesting as well.🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

 

[dvnc]

As Kujman can describe, in greater detail than I, such practices were historically based. He's got legal control of his performance, in the US, not of the reproduction of tickling in general, worldwide. I'd not wish that sort of documentation creation on any man.

Canelli's video shows a style of performance based on the supposition of tickling as a practice in renaissence Italy. Kujman, like many Americans, doesn't generally perform as an Italian, last I heard. The performances he does are stylistically his, and covered by law where they don't collide with historical reenactment.

Screw up, and you'd see such handled. The law is quite binding where such is concerned.

However, such has been done in faires, countrywide, for decades, only not to the focus, degree or quality of performance noted for the Kujman performances. Where one can legally restrict reproduction of a performance is in the style of performance, and I'm guessing Kujman will tell you, point blank, that the Canelli tapes are no where near the degree of focus of his performances, even if you happen to know Italian. His claim is to a performance that's as different from Canelli as a lone aria is from an complete opera. In other words, you're comparing incomparable objects, apples and oranges.

Canelli's work is charming and available here and now. Clearly, some folks find it viable, if not what Kujman offers. If Kujman had issues with them, he'd have arranged to shut that operation down long ago, as they've been announcing their availability for some time now. Knowing the precision of setup for his works as casually as I do, I can't imagine the two to be anywhere near one another.

Then again, it's only my perspective,

dvnc

 

[talons]

I think you may have misunderstood me. I just think he got the ideaa from Kuj and that his stuff isnt as good as Kujmans. I never implied that kuj did anything in Italian or that anyone is breaking the law.😕 😕

 

[Oblesklk]

I also have this collection, and after having spoken at great length with Marco, the founder of the Italian clips, I must say I am very impressed with the material he's been able to produce in the past three years.

It is a magical blend between that kind of innocence that public events can give, which the technical mastery that a true tickler can provide.

And it's difficult for me to compare different artistic expressions. It's kind of fruitless to think of two artists that "rip each other off" instead of one being an influence on each other.

The technical quality of the video is actually pretty good, given the environment they had to work with. You have to keep in mind these are average people, trying to film in an extremely high traffic area. You're not going to get Hollywood style cameras and angles all the time. The good news is that the quality has been heads and tails better than the previous year.

As for the Italian thing, I'm not sure I agree either. However, I have had training as a linguist, and did learn 6 languages by the time I was 18 (2 of which were Romance languages,which might help with the Italian), but I think that the action is fairly easy to follow, even if you have lone Germanic influences.

But then again, this is America, and I'll be damned if I'm going to tell you how to think. Just where I happen to disagree. I'm not trying to pick on you or anything, but I, as most of us here, grow tired of negative talk that sprouts daily on the TMF. Obviously we don't comment on every single thread out there, just this and that 🙂

 

[dvnc]

Ah. Do let me clarify. I don't believe I've misunderstood you. I believe I've taken from my disagreement with your statements, and further embellished upon my arguments.

To wit:

Yes, I agree real tickling in stocks is indeed hard to come by. But, I think this guy ripped off our buddy Kujman so I wont give him a penny of my money.

To this statement, I replied in contest, knowing as I do that Kujman wouldn't let someone get away with such. Indeed, a recent post of his mentions where he's handled such people of late. He states clearly that he prosecutes. He's stated such before. Canelli's been selling those tapes for a long time now, having 3 years of video archives.

If I am wrong about this fellow I apoplogize in advance but I believe I am correct on this one.

In counter to this, I was attempting to clarify here that you were indeed wrong, without having to point fingers or give derrogation. You've invited a more direct response. I'd have prefered to simply illustrate facts, but I'll do as you asked, in this case.

I think you're wrong.

My original post goes into greater detail on such.

Do note that, by disagreeing with you, I mean you no harm or malice. Indeed, I was just interested in a clarity to the topic, and the chance to exchange perspectives. It could still be that I'm mistaken. I just don't believe that's the case.

I also invite you to purchase both tapes and review them yourself.

I think you may have misunderstood me. I just think he got the ideaa from Kuj and that his stuff isnt as good as Kujmans. I never implied that kuj did anything in Italian or that anyone is breaking the law.

This is why I began the response to your post. I disagree.

1) There's evidence of tickling in other material from the renaissence period. ANYONE can find such. It was a form of torture. Canelli's notion could have been from the fact that Italy was one of the areas that USED such torture.

2) Comparing the two like comparing a picture to a puzzle. They aren't the same thing, and one will look different from the other. Kuj's is reputedly more intense. Buy the tape and see for yourself.

3) I didn't mention that Kuj did anything in Italian either. I mentioned such as one's the ITALIAN renaissence and the other is England's renaissence. Few in the US re-enact the renaissence outside of England, and Kuj's mention of the term "shire" alone qualify it as English. He's too proper in his use of the terms of such to misquote.

This very sort of argument is how he and I were acquainted. Oddly, we realized quickly that we were agreeing. It's archived in deja.com somewhere, likely.

This Italian man would have needed to be very fluently bilingual, and then would have to have much temerity, as he offered his works for sale on the very group that Kujman, and many others here, used to post - alt.multimedia.tk. This was three years ago. If there was a suit to occur, Kurt would doubtless have done so.

There are folks giggling now, as I'm encouraging you to buy Kujman's work, and most know he and I disagree more often than we agree. It IS humorous.

Thankfully, Oblesklk also sees value in the other work. It's not just me. I do feel a bit better. I still value your perspective, though, and merely wish to politely disagree.

dvnc