Can't a Lee just be a Lee anymore?

[Tamia78]

This thing about guys in the chat room is crap too. You always hear woman complaining about guys PMing them with out asking (and to some that is rude) however there are plenty of women who have PMed me with out asking too. It doesn't bother me when they do this, it bothers me that women freak out over guys doing it like it never happens to us. I don't know what this has to do with this topic either.. oh yeah the rudeness. People just need to consider how they would feel before they do things. Before you say something to someone consider if it would hurt you feeling, and then don't say it if it would. So much grief in the world and through out history would never have happened if people had just done that.

Slaver, very valid point. I have a couple of guy friends who tell me that there are women out there that are just as bad as the men. I guess I'm just telling you what I actually get out there being that I AM female 🙂

Inthenameoffun, it made perfect sense, thanks!

 

[Redmage]

This isn't really a rant, but I'm finding myself having more conversations that go something like this.......

Random Person:"Hi"
Me:"Hi"
Random Person:"Are you a ler/lee?"
Me:"I'm strictly lee."
Random Person:"Oh, okay then"

And then I never hear from them again. What's the deal? Is it wrong for me to be a 100% lee?

No, there's nothing wrong with being a 'lee, any more than there's something "wrong" with being a blond or a brunette. I think what you're encountering is just people who want either a 'ler or a switch, and there's nothing wrong with that preference either. It just means that the two of you aren't suited for each other.

So in one sense it's perhaps just as well that you don't hear anything more from them. In another sense it's unfortunate that they're basing their chat solely on whether or not you're right for them sexually.

 

[brianspencer66]

Tamia its not lazyness on your part. There is no way you can change whats in the marrow of your bones. Its not about poor technical skills either or some sort of learning curve. Some people can switch some dont care too and truly enjoy the role of being strictly a lee or ler. I myself feel much more comfortable being a ler. Stay as sweet as you are.

 

[maniactickler]

I prefer a woman whos 100% lee. i myself have had that happen to me. if i start talking to a woman whos mostly a ler. when they finds out im not into being tickled, they dont even want to talk to me anymore.

 

[Capnmad]

Be who you are, babe...

You'll eventually find the right person/people for you. If you're just a 'Lee, that's fine by me. And however it may come off in chat or whathaveyou, it's not selfish -- just straightforward and honest. And those who derive pleasure from tickling someone else like I do will be more than happy to make your acquaintance. 🙂

 

[Mimi]

I used to be a strict 100% lee. Then I attended my first gathering and was asked to lend a hand as a ler in a few scenes. I was nervous about doing so because I had never ler'd and didn't think I had squat for skills as one. But first I was blessed with the pleasure of ler'ing right along side of Myriads on a delightful lee, and I picked up many neat little tricks and ideas by doing so. Then I got to be one of several girls (most of us lee's, too, mind you) on an organized posse who's mission was to break the unbreakable TTD (we did not succeed, but it was fun trying). And then, to really cement the ler curiosity I had been developing as the weekend rolled on, I was asked by Venray's delightful wife to aid her along with Njjen in giving Venray his first multi-female ler session. Once I got to hear his squeals and shrieks and realized the REAL POWER I weilded by the skittering of my nails across his deliciously ticklish skin, I was addicted. Seeing and hearing his reactions and knowing what I was doing was causing that pleasurable misery...well, it was a rush like no other I had experienced before.

I still remained about 80% lee though until I met Lazzy and REALLY got to practice my ler'ing skills on a regular basis. That finally cemented me as a truly wicked and formidable ler. Now I can make Laz...a big, strong, manly man....run through the house shrieking and giggling like Granny on the Bugs Bunny cartoons. Honey, one taste of that and there's NO going back to strict lee. I actually find myself more drawn to ler'ing lately, and truly get off in a way I never imagined as the top in a scene.

So yes, you CAN be taught to be a ler. It just takes one or two occassions to test out the water in a comfortable way, to give you enough of a taste to make you want more. Tickle the daylights out of Venray once if you get the chance. That'll do it. 😀

 

[50greg]

I don't think there's anything wrong with being strictly a lee. I don't switch very often any more myself. I've tried going that side. It's really not something that I get into that much...other than with tickle fights, which I thoroughly enjoy. Having someone tied down and at my mercy just doesn't do it for me.

I'll switch on occassion for close friends if they ask. If they really enjoy it, then it's worth it to me to give them that. My satisfaction comes in seeing them having a good time. That makes it worth it to me. But, it's because THEY enjoy it, rather than me enjoying it. Otherwise, I'm all lee.

I suspect that what you're seeing is an increase in male lees looking for women to tickle them. As with us, the fact that one party wants to play doesn't mean that the other has to do so. I wouldn't get too concerned about it.

Ann,

Good to know my bare feet would be safe with you.

 

[huskys]

Hey Tamia,
I must admit I am a bit amazed at your experience. It makes you wonder weather they are true ticklefiles or not. I am both a lee and a ler, but most of all I just LOVE TICKLING. I cannot understand why people would be unwilling to talk once they discover that you don't suit their personal preference. To me they are the lazy, selfish ones. Definitely do not let that bother you, I'm sure you have heaps of people who love and appreciate you just the way you are.
Take care

 

[slap'n'ticklee]

I'm a 'lee but recently I have tried to tickle a forum member 😉 (tried as in the fact that I was total crap at it lol). I suddenly had this urge to tickle and also at work, my boss is terribly ticklish on his sides and waist and has told me he hates being tickled so much that he would rather be sick than be tickled! Me being the cheeky sod I can be I try and get his sides now and again at work, its not easy as he's built like a rugby player and a lot taller than me. I think its more of a challenge for me to do that also fun to see the reactions.

I couldn't do it full on as in tieing someone up and tickling them as that wouldn't be me as I prefer to be tied and tickled. I just like the tickle fun side of being a 'ler but not as in a dom role, I much prefer it the other way around 😛

 

[chicago]

Or is there something wrong with that? This isn't really a rant, but I'm finding myself having more conversations that go something like this.......

Random Person:"Hi"
Me:"Hi"
Random Person:"Are you a ler/lee?"
Me:"I'm strictly lee."
Random Person:"Oh, okay then"

And then I never hear from them again. What's the deal? Is it wrong for me to be a 100% lee? I just don't trust my ler-ing skills enough to actually call myself a switch. And besides that, I've experienced some GREAT ticklers, and I know I can't hold a candle to their skills!

Am I called lazy because I don't want to Ler? I don't think so. I just think any Lee that wants me as their Ler is in for a really horrible time, that's all. I love to be tickled, simply put. Can you be taught how to Ler? Just wondering.

--T

I feel the same way, except I don't even want to try to become a ler.

Go lees! lol

 

[SlaverTickler]

I used to be a strict 100% lee. Then I attended my first gathering and was asked to lend a hand as a ler in a few scenes. I was nervous about doing so because I had never ler'd and didn't think I had squat for skills as one. But first I was blessed with the pleasure of ler'ing right along side of Myriads on a delightful lee, and I picked up many neat little tricks and ideas by doing so. Then I got to be one of several girls (most of us lee's, too, mind you) on an organized posse who's mission was to break the unbreakable TTD (we did not succeed, but it was fun trying). And then, to really cement the ler curiosity I had been developing as the weekend rolled on, I was asked by Venray's delightful wife to aid her along with Njjen in giving Venray his first multi-female ler session. Once I got to hear his squeals and shrieks and realized the REAL POWER I weilded by the skittering of my nails across his deliciously ticklish skin, I was addicted. Seeing and hearing his reactions and knowing what I was doing was causing that pleasurable misery...well, it was a rush like no other I had experienced before.

I still remained about 80% lee though until I met Lazzy and REALLY got to practice my ler'ing skills on a regular basis. That finally cemented me as a truly wicked and formidable ler. Now I can make Laz...a big, strong, manly man....run through the house shrieking and giggling like Granny on the Bugs Bunny cartoons. Honey, one taste of that and there's NO going back to strict lee. I actually find myself more drawn to ler'ing lately, and truly get off in a way I never imagined as the top in a scene.

So yes, you CAN be taught to be a ler. It just takes one or two occassions to test out the water in a comfortable way, to give you enough of a taste to make you want more. Tickle the daylights out of Venray once if you get the chance. That'll do it. 😀

Like my poem said, "...never turn you back on a tan van." if you haven't read it yet MIMI it's up in my Archieve I think you'll get a kick out of it. 🙂

 

[SlaverTickler]

But Steph.........I AM a self-absorbed bitch!!

Just glad you can admit it, now get your ass up to Canada so I can show you the true meaning of tickle torture, and Orgasam, and Cookies with Milk, not to mention Jungle Feaver (but don't tell kis I said that last part she'll go nuts ) 😉

 

[marcusb]

You sure can! No complaints here.

Lees are the bestest-most-goodest! 😀

Too over the top? :| Sorry. 🙂

 

[Bugman]

There is not a thing wrong with that Tamia.If you are not intrested in switching,dont let it bother you.I'm a ler only,have no intrest in switching.That will not set well with some i suppose,but i cant help that.Just keep being you.

 

[cloudgazer2k]

at one point in my life, i wanted to be 100% lee. no tickling of others, and the thought of becoming a sub to a mistress that included tickling in her list of evil things was quite tempting. there had been quite a few ladies in my life that took great pleasure in seeing me restrained and under their control, and i liked that idea.

but...i could NOT turn off my dominant side.

the rush of euphoria, the thrill of having someone tied and getting tickled...the look in their eyes when you find that one spot they hoped you would never find....it's an awesome feeling.
Tams...if you ever, ever decide to give ler-ing a shot, i willingly put myself up on the chopping block.

 

[kis123]

Just glad you can admit it, now get your ass up to Canada so I can show you the true meaning of tickle torture, and Orgasam, and Cookies with Milk, not to mention Jungle Feaver (but don't tell kis I said that last part she'll go nuts ) 😉

It's "Jungle FEVER" Slaver! If you're going to pick with me, you know how I am about the spelling! 🙂

Now in answer to Tamia's question.......

I am mostly ler who just started to switch a little over a year ago. I was petrified of the unknown. Shortly after my first lee experience, I met my SO who's ticklish but we are definitely unmatched in levels. I found myself at the receiving end much more than giving. I'm still not used to giving up that much control, but I guess I'm a work in progress. I've never been restrained either so I'm not totally freaked out when we play.

If you're curious about being the ler, give it a shot. Every ler around here started out not knowing much but learned something with each session. I know some lers on this forum who are evil and creative with their craft. Some of that's natural but most is by trial, error, and more trial. If you just love being the lee, hook up with lers who only ler. You'd form the perfect team/couple/companionship.

Never, never try to be or do anything that's uncomfortable for you. Tickling is supposed to be a fun and enjoyable experience. Even the ones who like tickle torture have to pair off with someone who's at their level of play. So get tied, get tickled and have fun. If you want to try your hand at ler-ing someday, then do that too. Don't let anyone put identify you but yourself!

 

[Strider]

I'm something of an extreme switch personally, but your interests are what your interests are.

 

[tickletime4u]

No it's not wrong to just be a lee anymore than it is not wrong to be just a ler. As for those of you who are just lees out there, I wish I met more of you, because I don't seem to find too many of them, so a plee from me to the female lees only, if you see me in the chatroom, come say hello, lol

 

[daddy]

Or is there something wrong with that? This isn't really a rant, but I'm finding myself having more conversations that go something like this.......

Random Person:"Hi"
Me:"Hi"
Random Person:"Are you a ler/lee?"
Me:"I'm strictly lee."
Random Person:"Oh, okay then"

And then I never hear from them again. What's the deal? Is it wrong for me to be a 100% lee? I just don't trust my ler-ing skills enough to actually call myself a switch. And besides that, I've experienced some GREAT ticklers, and I know I can't hold a candle to their skills!

Am I called lazy because I don't want to Ler? I don't think so. I just think any Lee that wants me as their Ler is in for a really horrible time, that's all. I love to be tickled, simply put. Can you be taught how to Ler? Just wondering.

--T

Amazing...I never would think being just a "lee" would drive someone away! Totally unthinkable. I do think though it would be rather odd that a "lee" never engages in any pokes or fun tickles though...at least as an instigation technique!

peace out,
daddy

 

[jaba]

once you go "freaky".......

I've never been restrained either so I'm not totally freaked out when we play.

So get tied, get tickled and have fun.

Someone needs to meet the right "freak"......


Soon........😉

By the way, Kis....I "tied and wrapped up" your little So Cali "package" a while ago....😀


Your "gift" says to tell you "hello".....

 

[hiltopoius]

WoW!!,....I dying to meet a 100% lee in my state so i can tell her how much i enjoy her being one sided...lol I always meet the 50 50 one's

 

[Mastertank1]

I know where that comes from.

In the years when I was Master-At-Arms of the Till Eulenspiegel Society and worked as a bouncer in several BDSM clubs in NYC, I observed that throughout the kink community subs outnumber doms by about 3/1.

However, if you look at the people who actually turned up in the clubs, there were at LEAST 10 males to every female, and most of the females were dommes who brought one or more physically impressive male subs with them to maintain crowd control, because most of the males in those clubs, by about 10/1, were subs looking for female doms

I know there are those who disagree, but I know that being a 'lee is a form of submission and being a 'ler is a form of dominance. Those who disagree with that have every right to cling to their incorrect opinion and be wrong.

The point I'm reaching is this; 90% of the trouble I had to deal with in those clubs came from aggressive male subs swarming around female subs trying to talk them into switching to be dommes. The equivalent here seems to be male 'lees looking for female 'lers, and not interested in talking to anyone else. Some of those are aggressive 'lees, who will try to talk any female they encounter into 'lering (is that even a word?) for them.

I have been guilty of the reverse. When I have encountered sexy women who were strictly dom/'ler, I have often tried to persuade them to try being a 'lee for me. I have never been very aggressive about it though, and so far I have suceeded with exactly four dommes, who granted me the honor and priviledge of becoming their 'ler.

Unlike some, I DO take no for an answer, and I do so graciously, remaining on cordal and friendly terms with the many who have turned me down. Hint to guys; two of the four who said yes did so after initially saying no, even though I never brought the matter up to them again. They said that one of the factors in finally making up their minds to say yes was the fact that I never brought the matter up again and did not push it in any way.

Works a LOT better than trying to pressure a woman into doing something she doesn't want to do. It also shows more respect. 😎

 

[Ticklerguy4u]

Maybe it isn't you..as others said..the increase of male lees have increased.

Don't feel too bad. I don't get PMed much at all..

 

[BLUE_THUNDER]

Tamia, you should NEVER feel the need to be anyone other than who you are, or pressured to "conform" to a certain individuals likes or dislikes.....unfortunately many chats are full of lurkers and trolls who are narrow minded and rude (to put it mildly).......and for the record, any woman that is 100% 'lee is totally OK in my book

 

[unclebill]

Tamia, you don`t owe anyone an apology for wanting to be just a lee. There are plenty of men who would love to have a lady as attractive as you to tickle. I`ve been a ler all my life simply because women have never been able to find any ticklish spots, try as they might. A wise man once told me sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don`t. There`s room in this world for all types of ticklers, so just be yourself.