Cheerleader must compensate school that told her to clap 'rapist'

[Deleted member 66627]

Everything about this story is bullshit. And I wouldn't have just stood there. I would have stuffed my fucking pom-poms up his ass. Over-achieve that shit.

 

[Jagermeistered]

Everything about this story is bullshit. And I wouldn't have just stood there. I would have stuffed my fucking pom-poms up his ass. Over-achieve that shit.

Pom-poms up the rectum would be hilarious... Especially, if he farted after the embarrassment.

 

[mabus]

I agree with Kis - there's no way in hell I'd be paying a penny.

I'd appeal til I'm dead.

This really is the "athletic mentality." There were teachers in Louisiana who got in trouble or fired, or transfered for not giving the sports players passing grades.

College is just as bad. I had a history class...and the teacher happened to be the head of the dept.! These football players were in class.....they'd come in whenever the hell they felt like it, literally dragging their feet in that "I'd don't give a shit, I been up all night" way. The teacher/dept. head would tell them something about being late...they'd simply ignore him like he didn't even exist.

There's a hell of a lot of pressure on teachers to go soft on athletes, and I'm talking even powerful teachers who had been there for decades and were involved in everything. Didn't matter - atheletics over rode them.

 

[DontAskJusTckle]

In your opinion,whom is the frivolous party in this story?

The party who sued the school because their daughter was kicked off the cheerleading squad. The same party who was shot down by two local courts, and as if that wasn't enough, brought it to a federal appeals court?

In my opinion, it's pure frivolity to sue a school over something as trivial as getting kicked off the cheer leading squad, no matter what the reason. I mean what's next, suing the producers of Survivor for getting voted off the island?

And those of you saying you wouldn't pay? Who are you kidding? These are feds we're talking about. They'll garnish your wages for as long as it takes.

 

[kis123]

The party who sued the school because their daughter was kicked off the cheerleading squad. The same party who was shot down by two local courts, and as if that wasn't enough, brought it to a federal appeals court?

In my opinion, it's pure frivolity to sue a school over something as trivial as getting kicked off the cheer leading squad, no matter what the reason. I mean what's next, suing the producers of Survivor for getting voted off the island?

And those of you saying you wouldn't pay? Who are you kidding? These are feds we're talking about. They'll garnish your wages for as long as it takes.

I knew it would be good.......ridiculous as hell, but good!

The girl was raped! And if that wasn't enough, her attacker gets a slap on the wrist. It is glaringly apparent that you don't have any daughters. She gets kicked off the cheerleading squad because she won't clap and cheer for her rapist! He needs to be in jail, not the victim paying $45,000. Why not just bend her over and rape her again?

The only "debt" that can't be covered in a chapter 7 bankruptcy are taxes and student loans. Everything else can be written off; and you better believe that would be the first thing I'd write off too. They might as well make it 45 million because I wouldn't dare pay it.

 

[DontAskJusTckle]

The girl was raped!

Bullshit. That was never established. Innocent until proven guilty. All the guy was found guilty of was misdemeanor assault. The charges of rape were dropped.

It is glaringly apparent that you don't have any daughters.

Whether or not I have daughters has no bearing on this discussion.

She gets kicked off the cheerleading squad because she won't clap and cheer for her rapist!

Once again, he's guilty of misdemeanor assault, not rape. She got kicked off the cheerleading squad because she wouldn't support the entire team.

He needs to be in jail, not the victim paying $45,000.

People generally don't go to jail for misdemeanor charges, at least not for any significant duration. His sentence was appropriate.

Why not just bend her over and rape her again?

Because he can't rape her "again" until he rapes her a first time.

I've only one question for you, kis. If you're so sure he raped her then WHERE'S THE PHOTO??

 

[phant0m]

All the guy was found guilty of was misdemeanor assault. The charges of rape were dropped.

He plead down to assault and was never tried for rape, that's different from having the charges dropped. The prosecution still maintained that she was raped, but accepted the lesser conviction. It's not like they were trying him for rape and they said "We're changing our story, he actually hit her." I'm not saying she was definitely raped, but the pleading down to assault has no bearing on whether rape was actually committed.

 

[DontAskJusTckle]

He plead down to assault and was never tried for rape, that's different from having the charges dropped. The prosecution still maintained that she was raped, but accepted the lesser conviction. It's not like they were trying him for rape and they said "We're changing our story, he actually hit her." I'm not saying she was definitely raped, but the pleading down to assault has no bearing on whether rape was actually committed.

According to the story in the OP...

The charge of rape was dropped, leaving him free to return to school and take up his place on the basketball team.

As far as the law is concerned, he is not guilty of rape. That's good enough for me.

 

[Jagermeistered]

Nice flip-flop DAJT...

I wonder what the assault he did upon her too make him say, "I'm guilty!" Also, wondering what the lawyers were discussing thru the negotiations?

 

[Jagermeistered]

As far as the law is concerned, he is not guilty of rape. That's good enough for me.

That's scary...

 

[kis123]

Bullshit. That was never established. Innocent until proven guilty. All the guy was found guilty of was misdemeanor assault. The charges of rape were dropped.

Whether or not I have daughters has no bearing on this discussion.

Once again, he's guilty of misdemeanor assault, not rape. She got kicked off the cheerleading squad because she wouldn't support the entire team.

People generally don't go to jail for misdemeanor charges, at least not for any significant duration. His sentence was appropriate.

Because he can't rape her "again" until he rapes her a first time.

I've only one question for you, kis. If you're so sure he raped her then WHERE'S THE PHOTO??

No photo is necessary......think you can manage to concentrate on one thread at a time? I know it's going to be difficult, but give it a shot. You weren't able to prove anything in that thread either now that you mention it.

The charges were REDUCED; that doesn't mean he didn't rape the girl. Now prove she lied about the rape or that the rape never existed since you're so convinced one didn't take place. See how that works?

I certainly hope you don't have any daughters; I'm actually hoping you don't have children at all.

 

[kis123]

He plead down to assault and was never tried for rape, that's different from having the charges dropped. The prosecution still maintained that she was raped, but accepted the lesser conviction. It's not like they were trying him for rape and they said "We're changing our story, he actually hit her." I'm not saying she was definitely raped, but the pleading down to assault has no bearing on whether rape was actually committed.

Thank you.

And I still wouldn't have cheered for him and wouldn't pay a dime of a lawsuit that resulted from it. He's lucky she didn't take a tazer to his jewels every time she saw him. There are some things worth going to jail over if you ask me.

That's all that matters to me.

 

[mabus]

Photo?

I can see that situation:

Woman being raped: Hold on, let me grab my camera so I can take a picture of this rape.
You don't mind, do you? This photo will obviously send you to jail....okay, let me get the light right...put your dick back in my pussy, and slap me again in the face, but stop right as my cheek starts to turn - okay, got it.

Okay, continue taking advantage of me while I scream and say "No!" Now, don't go take my camera away, I need that for later!

...and athletes, actors, musicians, rappers ....FREQUENTLY get away with stuff like this. If I assaulted someone, I go to jail. If I assault someone, but am an athlete...I go free. Duh!

 

[kis123]

Photo?

I can see that situation:

Woman being raped: Hold on, let me grab my camera so I can take a picture of this rape.
You don't mind, do you? This photo will obviously send you to jail....okay, let me get the light right...put your dick back in my pussy, and slap me again in the face, but stop right as my cheek starts to turn - okay, got it.

Okay, continue taking advantage of me while I scream and say "No!" Now, don't go take my camera away, I need that for later!

...and athletes, actors, musicians, rappers ....FREQUENTLY get away with stuff like this. If I assaulted someone, I go to jail. If I assault someone, but am an athlete...I go free. Duh!

The photo comment was a stalker snipe at me from another thread. It only made him look more ridiculous than usual. But you took it to another level with this....priceless!

And you're right; if he wasn't an athlete he'd be finishing high school from a prison cell where animals who rape and assault women belong.

I don't know why the charges were dropped--I wasn't there nor do I care. I see her point; why should she have to cheer for the one who violated her? Then she gets expelled from the squad and it just goes to hell from there.

I understand you'd appeal in this case, but those can cost a lot of money and valuable time. In my state it costs $125 to do a pro se chapter 7 bankruptcy. That would be the best money I ever spent and talking about getting bang for my buck!! The school would never see a dime....nothing, zip, nada, zilch......goose egg, big zero......the list goes on and on......

 

[Mitchell]

This case is an absolute travesty of justice, plain and simple.

Rape is a felony, that should be punishable by a long prison sentence. It's bad enough that the guy had it plead down to a "misdemeanor".

The girl should be forced to chant a criminal's name.. who committed a haneous act against her, just because he is on the team? No..

She should be forced to compensate a school district that was backing up a rapist?

If I were this girl, I would do one of two things. A. Find a civil rights lawyer, to sue the rapist himself, for civil damages, and B. Sue the school district, on a civil rights basis, for their disgraceful act.

If all else fails, as someone else in this thread said, I would file a petition of bankruptcy, stick them for the judgement, and tell them to go fuck themselves. It would serve that school district right, after what they did.

Mitch

 

[General Zod]

Bullshit. That was never established. Innocent until proven guilty. All the guy was found guilty of was misdemeanor assault. The charges of rape were dropped.

Whether or not I have daughters has no bearing on this discussion.

Once again, he's guilty of misdemeanor assault, not rape. She got kicked off the cheerleading squad because she wouldn't support the entire team.

People generally don't go to jail for misdemeanor charges, at least not for any significant duration. His sentence was appropriate.

Because he can't rape her "again" until he rapes her a first time.

I've only one question for you, kis. If you're so sure he raped her then WHERE'S THE PHOTO??

Okay then.Say he just assualted her.Why should she cheer for someone who assaulted her?

 

[SamuelKhan]

Jocks Own The School

In high school and college, there is one constant that I have sensed, and that is they tend to pour more finances into athletics than anything else. Sporting events are one of the biggest revenue generators there is. You actually think a pottery festival or a jazz festival is going to draw the cash?

The athletes and coaches live like rock stars. They basically have free-reign anywhere on the campus. The jocks pull all the hot girls, drive expensive cars that is beyond any college student's or even high school student's budget, and basically get away with just about anything, even when it comes to drunk fucking driving and sexual fucking assault.

A student was busted and banned from campus when he bragged about killing a bunch of people on his myspace page. Want to wager, let's pretend, if a football player was contemplating the same heinous act? The former didn't have the cash to pay for silence. Bullshit walks and runs marathons when it comes to the jockocracy, as one sports talk show host once called it.

This young lady should consider a counter-suit that would force that bullshit high school to reconsider.

Bet the player ends up in the NBA.

 

[c7_assassin]

She got kicked off the cheerleading squad for refusing to be a cheerleader. In the end, this was a stupid lawsuit. Of course no one has the right to force her to cheer for the man who raped her; she just has to do it as long as she wants to be on the goddamn cheerleading squad. I mean really, who gives a shit about her 'right' to be a cheerleader? There are bigger battles to fight in life.

 

[MrMacphisto]

Making people pay for actual frivolous lawsuits is one thing. Making people pay for legitimate ones is ridiculous....

 

[Flatfoot]

Unfortunately for her, she was fighting the wrong battle. I don't think the focus was on the proper issue. Had her lawyer focused more on the emphasis that she was not getting support from her school regarding her sexual assault, they probably would have had better luck seeking damages. Unfortunately, the focus was on the cheerleading issue, which was basically right. She didn't do what she was supposed to as a cheerleader.

She really should have initially sought damages regarding sexual assault, since that kid got off with a misdemeanor. Lucky for him he didn't have to register as a sex offender, but she, her family, and her lawyer should have raised the bullshit flag on that one. As a sexual assault victim, she should not have had to share campus space with her aggressor, and the school should have been held responsible for not getting involved to fix that. THAT'S the battle her lawyer should have fought, long before this cheerleading thing became an issue.

Sucks for her!

 

[DontAskJusTckle]

Okay then.Say he just assualted her.Why should she cheer for someone who assaulted her?

Because she was voluntarily serving on a team whose sole purpose was cheering him and his team mates. Surely you don't think that she was out there having a great time, then suddenly noticed the guy on the team and made a spur of the moment decision to fold her arms and not cheer him, do you?

She knew he was on the team and she knew she would be expected to cheer him. If she had a problem with that, she should have resigned her position on the team. But that wouldn't serve her purposes. She wanted to make a public display. She wanted people to NOTICE she wasn't cheering him.

This tells us a great deal about her character, or lack thereof.

Here's how I suspect this whole thing played out. I'm convinced that she wanted something from this guy and he told her to take a hike. She threatened to cry rape and he pushed her away. So she reports him to the police for rape. There was no semen, nor DNA evidence to support the charge of rape, so they modified it to misdemeanor assault. Knowing that people saw him push her away, he pleads guilty, and serves the appropriate sentence of community service.

This vindictive bitch is livid that her plan failed, so she decides that come next game, she's going to make a scene by deliberately not cheering for him. She figures if she can get enough people to notice and talk about "the rape," she can sway public opinion.

Her plan backfires again. She gets kicked off the cheer leading squad. Now her and her hoity toity parents are furious. Cheer leading is their daughter's BIRTH RIGHT! How dare they kick her off the team?! So they launch a suit. They lose. They appeal locally. They lose again. This just won't do! How is she going to teach that bastard a lesson if she can't make a public display of not cheering him? She needs to be on the team to do that.

So they bring it to the federal appeals court. Not only to they lose, but now are faced with a five-figure fine for filing a frivolous farce

Sometimes, there IS justice in the world!

 

[Flatfoot]

Because she was voluntarily serving on a team whose sole purpose was cheering him and his team mates. Surely you don't think that she was out there having a great time, then suddenly noticed the guy on the team and made a spur of the moment decision to fold her arms and not cheer him, do you?

She knew he was on the team and she knew she would be expected to cheer him. If she had a problem with that, she should have resigned her position on the team. But that wouldn't serve her purposes. She wanted to make a public display. She wanted people to NOTICE she wasn't cheering him.

This tells us a great deal about her character, or lack thereof.

The only problem with this is, why should she have to resign from an activity she enjoys, just because this guy was around? Seems a little unfair, to me. Yeah, it's all choices she made, and she could have avoided it if she complied with the whole dog and pony show, but I don't know if I'd say it was an attempt at a public display. The whole purpose of a cheerleader is to inspire energy and motivation. I imagine it's gotta be real difficult to show high energy and motivation for someone you despise.

Here's how I suspect this whole thing played out. I'm convinced that she wanted something from this guy and he told her to take a hike. She threatened to cry rape and he pushed her away. So she reports him to the police for rape. There was no semen, nor DNA evidence to support the charge of rape, so they modified it to misdemeanor assault. Knowing that people saw him push her away, he pleads guilty, and serves the appropriate sentence of community service.

This vindictive bitch is livid that her plan failed, so she decides that come next game, she's going to make a scene by deliberately not cheering for him. She figures if she can get enough people to notice and talk about "the rape," she can sway public opinion.

Her plan backfires again. She gets kicked off the cheer leading squad. Now her and her hoity toity parents are furious. Cheer leading is their daughter's BIRTH RIGHT! How dare they kick her off the team?! So they launch a suit. They lose. They appeal locally. They lose again. This just won't do! How is she going to teach that bastard a lesson if she can't make a public display of not cheering him? She needs to be on the team to do that.

So they bring it to the federal appeals court. Not only to they lose, but now are faced with a five-figure fine for filing a frivolous farce

Sometimes, there IS justice in the world!

That's all speculation, though. You've come up with reasons to dislike this girl based upon nothing objective. It could very well BE the way you describe the situation, but something else to consider is that a lot of rape victims do not immediately come forward, for a variety of reasons (In a practical sense, yes, this is a mistake, but many rape victims can be too much of an emotional wreck to deal with the situation, immediately, or are embarrassed, ashamed, afraid of being perceived as a *****, or "the girl who cried rape," etc.). DNA evidence quickly goes away in the shower. Again, though, we can only speculate what happened. Also, the article suggests the game was about four months after the incident in which the guy was charged. I don't know if I'd say justice was served, but I still feel she picked the wrong battle to fight, and Lady Justice is blind. Also, the Supreme Court only hears about a few hundred cases a year. They have to prioritize, and a small town high school cheerleading case is not gonna be high on their list when they have disputes involving billion dollar businesses to handle.

 

[DontAskJusTckle]

The only problem with this is, why should she have to resign from an activity she enjoys, just because this guy was around? Seems a little unfair, to me. Yeah, it's all choices she made, and she could have avoided it if she complied with the whole dog and pony show, but I don't know if I'd say it was an attempt at a public display. The whole purpose of a cheerleader is to inspire energy and motivation. I imagine it's gotta be real difficult to show high energy and motivation for someone you despise.

I'm not sure what you mean by "complying with the whole dog and pony show." Her reasons for despising him don't really matter. If she can't (or won't) pull her weight on the cheer leading team, she should have stepped down. When she didn't step down and simply grandstanded the way she did...well if I were coach of that team, I too would have kicked her and her emotional baggage to the curb. I'm sure that there were several girls in the school who would have been glad to step up to the plate.

That's all speculation, though. You've come up with reasons to dislike this girl based upon nothing objective. It could very well BE the way you describe the situation, but something else to consider is that a lot of rape victims do not immediately come forward, for a variety of reasons (In a practical sense, yes, this is a mistake, but many rape victims can be too much of an emotional wreck to deal with the situation, immediately, or are embarrassed, ashamed, afraid of being perceived as a *****, or "the girl who cried rape," etc.).

I agree it's speculation, and I'm pretty sure I made that clear in my preceding disclaimer. However I don't believe it was based on "nothing objective." It was based on the admittedly limited scope of facts presented in the article.

Another speculation, and one to which I'm not even close to subscribing would be that she had reservations about coming forward due to shame, embarrassment, or fear...reservations that vanished abruptly when her cheer leader status was suddenly threatened. After that she suddenly seems perfectly okay talking all about the "rape" in at least three court sessions.

One reason I didn't hesitate to speculate against the cheer leader was that so many in this thread assumed the rape to be a matter of fact, even though the charge was dropped. They were ready to crucify the guy just on hearsay. So since they decided not to hold back, I decided I wouldn't either.

 

[kis123]

The only problem with this is, why should she have to resign from an activity she enjoys, just because this guy was around? Seems a little unfair, to me. Yeah, it's all choices she made, and she could have avoided it if she complied with the whole dog and pony show, but I don't know if I'd say it was an attempt at a public display. The whole purpose of a cheerleader is to inspire energy and motivation. I imagine it's gotta be real difficult to show high energy and motivation for someone you despise.



That's all speculation, though. You've come up with reasons to dislike this girl based upon nothing objective. It could very well BE the way you describe the situation, but something else to consider is that a lot of rape victims do not immediately come forward, for a variety of reasons (In a practical sense, yes, this is a mistake, but many rape victims can be too much of an emotional wreck to deal with the situation, immediately, or are embarrassed, ashamed, afraid of being perceived as a *****, or "the girl who cried rape," etc.). DNA evidence quickly goes away in the shower. Again, though, we can only speculate what happened. Also, the article suggests the game was about four months after the incident in which the guy was charged. I don't know if I'd say justice was served, but I still feel she picked the wrong battle to fight, and Lady Justice is blind. Also, the Supreme Court only hears about a few hundred cases a year. They have to prioritize, and a small town high school cheerleading case is not gonna be high on their list when they have disputes involving billion dollar businesses to handle.

Flatfoot;

I've always thought of you as a very nice guy; not some sucker nice guy, but a generally nice individual.

Here's a warning; don't do this to yourself! You have better things to do and more time to do them. Run! Don't walk away.......your time is much too valuable to you than to waste it on him.

He's looking for fresh meat to pick at......don't give it to him. You'll quickly find out that no matter what you do, he's right. He thinks it's okay for a rapist to be cheered on by the cheerleader that he "assaulted." He called her a "vindictive bitch" with no proof of such. In his world, all women are vindictive bitches..........he's a straight hater; no one for you to waste your valuable time with.

Good luck in your pursuits......but I think you'd best spend your time at needlepoint or watching paint dry than to engage with him. But if you must, go in with your big-boy pants on because he doesn't play around. He really does think he's smarter than you.....

Good luck and Goodspeed...........

 

[Barney Stubble]

I tend to agree with Flatfoot. Sorry, DAJT but I don't think it's fair of you to assume guilt on her part. You're right that the rape was never fully established and it's kind of unfair to just assume it did. But your speculations are just as unfair and baseless, maybe more so. I think if he pled guilty to misdemeaner assault, chances are he raped her.