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Clips - fake or not?
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I don't get this whole idea of 'fake' lees. I'll be honest and say i dont agree with with people bashing girls about 'making up' their ticklishness.(Not you rhiannon 🙂 *hugs*) Their in a room, often naked, with lights and cameras surrounded by loads of people getting put though a freaky sexual situation. Thats bad enough let alone the reasons and back story thats led them to having to sell their body. It would be naive to think the girls are not acting to some degree for the camera AND i think we don't give these girls enough credit for the work they do! But thats my 2 cents 🙂
To answer the question I have seen 1 or 2 clips where you think yeah shes forcing that laughter. The loud, out of time belly laugh and a huge amount of thrashing to the slightest of touch. I think its just as funny to watch tho 😀
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To answer the question I have seen 1 or 2 clips where you think yeah shes forcing that laughter. The loud, out of time belly laugh and a huge amount of thrashing to the slightest of touch. I think its just as funny to watch tho 😀
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LOL, there is a lot of truth to that! 🙂 And that is why I want to know: what do YOU personally think of as being fake?
Amanda Cortez
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I think it's pretty hard to see if it's fake. Maye when the Lee has almost no reactions or juz tries to look good for the camera the whole time, but I'm not so sure about it. I mean everybody reacts different so it's hard to say whether it's fake.
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Personally? I don't.
I view videos as an aid to my own tickling fantasies, and so if I come across a video in which, for example, the 'lee has a different laugh to the type that I'm looking for, or the bondage is really shitty, then I might not be particularly interested in buying it.
But I don't think of it as being fake.
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I think that the reason "fake" gets thrown around so much is because the model's reaction isn't the type of response that is preferred or "expected" by the viewer. For example, a member might really key to a laugh that is loud and frantic and views a clip where the model doesn't really do much more then squirm and chuckle. Because it doesn't match up with the member's preference then it could be classified to them as fake or forced. I've run into this issue myself a few times. I'll be seeking a certain response and when it doesn't happen then I begin to second guess the validity.
Another issue with me, personally, is body language. Sometimes the movements of the model in a video will just come off as mechanical or sloppy. We all naturally resist tickling as well as allow it and when I'm watching a model who looks like they're just "going through the motions" then I'll question the model. Oddly this only seems to be an issue with the female models. I've watched a shit-ton of F/M and M/M and have never run into this issue. Despite all that, I do believe that there are many that are faked and it's not always the Producers fault.
Another issue with me, personally, is body language. Sometimes the movements of the model in a video will just come off as mechanical or sloppy. We all naturally resist tickling as well as allow it and when I'm watching a model who looks like they're just "going through the motions" then I'll question the model. Oddly this only seems to be an issue with the female models. I've watched a shit-ton of F/M and M/M and have never run into this issue. Despite all that, I do believe that there are many that are faked and it's not always the Producers fault.
Hmm, this is a good one. I don't know if I have a definition as to what makes a clip fake to me. I just know when a clip just doesn't do it for me, based on the reactions, tickling, etc. I've seen people rave about a vid and when I've seen a preview of it or something, I don't get what they're all excited about lol. But that's only because it didn't touch my inner tickle demon I suppose. And I guess I can't say it's how a lee laughs because I've seen clips where the lee goes into that silent laughter and I totally loved it.
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I believe there are many degrees of reaction seen in the clips from complete fakery to genuine ticklish incapacitation. One of the problems that often strike me leading to the thought of fakery is over dramatic reactions by some models. There is a financial incentive to become a popular model in this industry, and sometimes I think that gets in the way of a solid performance.
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It's all about the gut feeling. If I feel a girl is acting, I do sometimes say so on the forum. And it doesn't help if the answers are like "you can't tell, people react differently". In that case, just take it as an opinion that it doesn't match my tastes. Doesn't make a difference for me. Some producers I am just not too fond of because the whole atmosphere doesn't feel quite right, everything seems a little artificial and the reactions often forced.
This is also part of the recent discussion about tickling clips being too "sexual". So far, my experience is, that the less "porn-like" the whole production is, the more focus is put on true ticklishness. And yes, there *are* really ticklish girls on clips. Situations where you just know: *That* can not have been fake. That's really the direction it works. Just compare the average clip by, for example, ZenTickling with the crap that TickleStaffer, the Realtickling follow-up, often (maybe not always) puts out. The first one just feels good, natural and most of the time the reactions look genuine. This difference *does* exist. Of course it is also about different tastes: Some people are more into the setup, they don't even care if the girl is acting. I don't get it. But hey, that's how many different fetishes are actually part of "tickling"...
This is also part of the recent discussion about tickling clips being too "sexual". So far, my experience is, that the less "porn-like" the whole production is, the more focus is put on true ticklishness. And yes, there *are* really ticklish girls on clips. Situations where you just know: *That* can not have been fake. That's really the direction it works. Just compare the average clip by, for example, ZenTickling with the crap that TickleStaffer, the Realtickling follow-up, often (maybe not always) puts out. The first one just feels good, natural and most of the time the reactions look genuine. This difference *does* exist. Of course it is also about different tastes: Some people are more into the setup, they don't even care if the girl is acting. I don't get it. But hey, that's how many different fetishes are actually part of "tickling"...
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If a clip ever stands out as fake to me its typically the correlation between the laughing and the touching. All the time the ler will be tickling a girl who will be randomly laughing, then when he stops and moves to a new point she'll squeal or bust into a new pitch when he's not even touching her. I know after people are tickled there will be some "residual giggling" but you won't suddenly burst out laughing if the ler isn't even touching you.
I know that sounds like ultra-nitpicking, but it just stands out to me.
I know that sounds like ultra-nitpicking, but it just stands out to me.
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Which is sad. Back in the day, FM Concepts and California Star were house-hold names among tickling fans. Then somewhere along the way, they decided to focus more on the mega-busty silicone models, and the tickling more or less, took a back seat.
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Not the original Tied and Tickled series. But everything after that, was.
This has always intrigued me as well. You have some members on this forum that act like they are the only ones with the talent to tell if a model is faking or not. It gets really ridiculous because unless you are actually there, there is no TRUE way to tell.
Does faking happen? I'm sure it does. I see people bash FM Concepts repeatedly, but it's not like ALL their models are faking it. Some probably are, some are truly ticklish.
In my personal experiences, I have tickled women where some are thrashing around like a fish out of water and others who lay perfectly still, yet laugh when tickled. I'm sure some of the "experts" would say lady #2 is faking because she isn't reacting much, but ticklishness differs amongst people. It just gets really annoying when some members claim fake with such assurdness, you think they would have tickled the model themselves....
Does faking happen? I'm sure it does. I see people bash FM Concepts repeatedly, but it's not like ALL their models are faking it. Some probably are, some are truly ticklish.
In my personal experiences, I have tickled women where some are thrashing around like a fish out of water and others who lay perfectly still, yet laugh when tickled. I'm sure some of the "experts" would say lady #2 is faking because she isn't reacting much, but ticklishness differs amongst people. It just gets really annoying when some members claim fake with such assurdness, you think they would have tickled the model themselves....
I see a lot of faking, but I see a lot more forcing. The girl is certainly ticklish, but not the degree she will be laughing, and you can see how she will laugh really loud when being lightly touched then change it the next time, voice showing more vocalization than laughing. I see pretty much ALL producers with models that are forcing it. But it is certainly not the producers fault, they can only go with what she says and certainly you do not want to call a model a liar and perhaps lose other models that may come your way.
Its all about forcing, and personally sometimes the fakers cam make a sweeter sound than the forcing that to me is worse in videos nowadays.
Rob
Its all about forcing, and personally sometimes the fakers cam make a sweeter sound than the forcing that to me is worse in videos nowadays.
Rob
I wouldn't dare to presume if a model is faking or not..i don't have the qualifications necessary to judge..i've seen some clips in which it seems the laughter is forced...but maybe that's how the model reacts..i do like clips that feature forum members, because generally they are geniunely ticklish..if i believe a clip is fake, i just pass it by..i never would bash a clip for that reason..
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The Reality of Fakes
I suppose that in a hands-on tickling situation, someone faking ticklishness might be off-putting. Doesn't someone want a "real experience," after all, to be "real"?
<p>I've never quite understood why viewers demand authenticity, if not absolute reality, in tickle vids. I mean, one can watch, say, a murder mystery without insisting that someone actually die in its making. So, why be upset if someone in a tickle vid is "performing" ticklishness?<P>
Now, if it's a bad performance--indifferent body language, mechanical laughter--I can see complaining about such the way one would in any dramatic production. But, to dismiss a tickle vid because it's not "real", but obviously "fake," that is, a performance, seems silly to me.<p>
My favorite performers in tickle vids (Priscilla James, say, or Chloe of Creations fame) aren't faves because I think they're the most ticklish, but because they robustly play someone ticklish. Their spirited performances make moot whether or not they're actually ticklish. <p>
Really!
I suppose that in a hands-on tickling situation, someone faking ticklishness might be off-putting. Doesn't someone want a "real experience," after all, to be "real"?
<p>I've never quite understood why viewers demand authenticity, if not absolute reality, in tickle vids. I mean, one can watch, say, a murder mystery without insisting that someone actually die in its making. So, why be upset if someone in a tickle vid is "performing" ticklishness?<P>
Now, if it's a bad performance--indifferent body language, mechanical laughter--I can see complaining about such the way one would in any dramatic production. But, to dismiss a tickle vid because it's not "real", but obviously "fake," that is, a performance, seems silly to me.<p>
My favorite performers in tickle vids (Priscilla James, say, or Chloe of Creations fame) aren't faves because I think they're the most ticklish, but because they robustly play someone ticklish. Their spirited performances make moot whether or not they're actually ticklish. <p>
Really!
