Curiousity killed the cat

[Ticklerguy4u]

I am curious about something.

I guess I was raised to treat a woman's feelings first with respect so I don't really pursue my tickling desires without discussing it first to those that don't know I have it. Although, I notice that isn't the case with all men on here. They seem to believe that if they feel like doing something to a female (like grab her or a body part) even though they aren't friends with her...she should just get over it or go with it. I've even read some say that they are against safe-words because its up to the male tickler to decide when he is done.

I may be old-fashioned which is why I post this question.

My question is: What leads you to believe that this is okay?

 

[Sandrock74]

Ego, I think.

 

[rhiannon]

I can't even start to describe how curious I am to hear the answers!

 

[BellybTickler]

It's a bogus perception that one feels they are entitled to something without working for it. The Poster Boy for that will probably be posting on this one soon.

 

[Lostcause13]

Well lots of ppl on here have other fetishes, so the safe word thing i would expect is just a dominance thing. Im not exactly sure what you expect when you say "pursue your desires", do you mean any tickling at all? Because I dont ask permission to tickle girls i know well, but mostly because i just know theyre ok with me touching them. I never touch a girl i think would be uncomfortable with it, but on my friends (none of whom know my fetish) ill just go for it

 

[rhiannon]

do you mean any tickling at all?

I think he made pretty clear what he meant!

They seem to believe that if they feel like doing something to a female (like grab her or a body part) even though they aren't friends with her...

 

[Comfort Eagle]

Because for like 90% of the people on this forum, this shit never leaves the realm of fantasy anyway, so they really don't think too much about it.

 

[jhop220]

It is very simple to me and it applies to men and women. Do to other as you wish done to yourself. The Golden Rule: Applies across the board.

It is never okay to show any disrespect to anyone who puts their trust in you with restraints. It is never okay to just slap a woman on her ass because "look at me I am big bad male." I detest people who do this and wonder how some people could possibly be around such low lives must less marry them or otherwise.

Men who participate in that sort of thing are classless IMO. I treat everyone I meet with a certain amount of respect, and if I am into a woman...the last thing I'm going to do is randomly indulge in my fetish or grab a body part when I first encounter her.

Call it old-fashioned or whatever...I call respect for a person.

 

[Big Phil]

Dont get me started on the sickos on here that sneak attack random women's feet in public. Its assault and the original question applies; "who the hell do you think you are to touch someone without them giving permission, then run away like a little kid, then brag about it online". And you know who you are!
IMO, these people should be outted and publicly humiliated. In fact, we as a forum should NEVER condone it, even if just a fantasy.

 

[jhop220]

Dont get me started on the sickos on here that sneak attack random women's feet in public. Its assault and the original question applies; "who the hell do you think you are to touch someone without them giving permission, then run away like a little kid, then brag about it online". And you know who you are!
IMO, these people should be outted and publicly humiliated. In fact, we as a forum should NEVER condone it, even if just a fantasy.

I was with you until that last sentence.

I'm okay with not condoning it in public or reality. However, this place is great for people to indulge in fantasies. Fantasies are perfectly fine as long as they don't cross the line into reality. Kind of my same argument with Non Con stuff...Fantasies are fine, but actuality is not.

 

[rhiannon]

Fantasies are fine, but actuality is not.

Agreed here. As long as people can tell fantasy and reality apart, everything is just fine.

 

[Ticklerguy4u]

It's a bogus perception that one feels they are entitled to something without working for it. The Poster Boy for that will probably be posting on this one soon.

Well I am not looking to turn this into a hate discussion. I have witnessed from time to time that there are women that don't mind it or let it go. A couple of years ago there was a producer that stood by this and still has a popular site today. He had made it well known and didn't hide this fact. So evidently it didn't effect anything. So I am actually really curious about the answer.

 

[Mane'o]

I would say that just because the woman who suffers an unprovoked and unwanted tickle attack doesn't smack the jerk up the side of the head is because she may just want to be done with the situation. Lots of people put up with lots of stuff but that doesn't make it right as all who so far have responded to your inquiry have taken the side that there is no good or sane reason for unwanted tickling, particularly of strangers. And inevitably someone will whine "Duh, you mean, all tickling in all situations?" and try to lump everything from the accidental tickle (anyone ever had a pedi or a physical exam) to the strong arm kidnap, tie and tickle torture as one and the same. No, every single tickle is not the same though there are those of us who would say any and all unwanted tickles are bad. Then there is the lame excuse that "if you can get away with it, it is OK" and perhaps that is the excuse used by the tickle video producer you mentioned. That bit of twisted logic quickly breaks down. Let me rob the home of anyone using that defense and see how they feel and if i don't get caught does that make it OK? Though I'm betting the video producer who says he makes nonconsensual tickle vids is probably making that up to pump up the sales. Where did truth in advertising go. Finally, there are the Darwinists who will shout, "I am big enough and strong enough and no one can stop me and I will tickle who I damn well please." Eventually these dummies will come against someone who is stronger or has a brother or friend(s) who is stronger and will justifiably get the crap whacked out of him. Our society is not based on survival of the stupidest which these knuckle dragging neanderthals are.
So don't expect many - if any - cogent arguments in favor but just someone who wants to rant and start a flame war because for many of us nonconsensual tickling are fighting words.

 

[c7_assassin]

Because for like 90% of the people on this forum, this shit never leaves the realm of fantasy anyway, so they really don't think too much about it.

Lol. Real talk.

 

[Jagermeistered]

Drunk 'n Boners

 

[Jagermeistered]

Agreed here. As long as people can tell fantasy and reality apart, everything is just fine.

Computer porn or video games... No difference.

 

[rhiannon]

Computer porn or video games... No difference.

Exactly. And just like computer games don't create active shooters, computer porn doesn't create rapists.

 

[Mane'o]

I think without our fantasies and places like TMF where people can share their fantasies there might be much more nastiness in real life. Fantasies provide an outlet so the pressure doesn't build to a point of someone doing something stupid and/or harmful in real life. Of course there will be some who may become too involved in the fantasy world to the point that it disrupts or impairs their functioning in the real world or those who lose sight of the distinction between fantasy and real life and try to play out in reality what should be left to the realm of imagination. But those are minorities and are people who exhibit obsessive or other behavior disorders that need professional help whether that be a psychologist, an understanding friend or a jailer.

 

[coldneck]

This thread is bait. Everyone who's chimed in hasn't answered the OP's question or addressed the point. It's just a bunch of angry villager rhetoric, but I'll be a good sport and give you some insight into my P.O.V. on the subject.

It's pretty straight forward: Women like a take-charge guy who doesn't need to ask for permission.
Asking is for wimps. Real men take control of the situation.

What good would it be to ask them if they want to be dominated? It takes all the "thrill of the kill" out of it.
The element of surprise is your friend. I don't believe in flushing it down the toilet in order to be politically / morally correct.
I'm not interested in that in the least. It's a buzzkill, man.

I also choose my victims carefully, but that's a whole other topic.
In the end, my yummy little hamburgers all go home with a smile on their faces because in the end I give them what they really want ... a one-way ticket aboard the Coldneck Express.

All Aboard, Bitches!

 

[Phineas]

I'm afraid I've gotta agree with coldneck, on this one.

Women, in general, are more inclined to be receptive to someone who makes a move with confidence. Replace tickling with kissing; when was the last time you asked a woman's permission to kiss her? Would doing so have totally killed the mood?

Thing is, this is where "choosing your victims carefully" becomes very important. You won't ask a woman if you can kiss her, but hopefully you're savvy enough to have figured out beforehand whether or not she'd be open to it. And this is where I have a problem with these fools who get grabby in public; they haven't bothered to suss out the situation or the lady in question, figuring it's better to ask forgiveness after the fact.

I suppose that's true, on some level; a rather insightful ladyfriend of mine once told me "women reserve the right to decide after the fact whether or not they were okay with what you did. It sucks, and it isn't fair, but that's how it is."

Here's the thing, though; you don't walk up to a stranger in public and kiss them right out of the blue. And you certainly don't do it after hanging around with a camera, spying on them and taking pictures for your fetish-board buddies so that you can run back here and "report". That's the kinda shit that triggers my Creeper Alarm; especially if you rely on the fact that the way women are socialized means she probably won't cause a scene or confront you even if she didn't like what you did at all, or you get indignant and nasty when someone tells you hey, you probably shouldn't do that. Getting pissy when asked to respect other people's boundaries is, IMHO, a real problem.

Otherwise, yeah. I agree with coldneck. Context is everything.

 

[FeatherTongue]

And this is also the reason why women are selectively active here and perceived as inactive. Sissy men project that which women want as what purportedly drives them away--over and over and over.

Women who enjoy being dominated, *cough* rhiannon, only chime in with further virtue. And most virtue is just a greater demand for seduction.

Being nice is probably more creepy than being implicitly straightforward with explicit intent.

This thread is bait. Everyone who's chimed in hasn't answered the OP's question or addressed the point. It's just a bunch of angry villager rhetoric, but I'll be a good sport and give you some insight into my P.O.V. on the subject.

It's pretty straight forward: Women like a take-charge guy who doesn't need to ask for permission.
Asking is for wimps. Real men take control of the situation.

What good would it be to ask them if they want to be dominated? It takes all the "thrill of the kill" out of it.
The element of surprise is your friend. I don't believe in flushing it down the toilet in order to be politically / morally correct.
I'm not interested in that in the least. It's a buzzkill, man.

I also choose my victims carefully, but that's a whole other topic.
In the end, my yummy little hamburgers all go home with a smile on their faces because in the end I give them what they really want ... a one-way ticket aboard the Coldneck Express.

All Aboard, Bitches!

 

[rhiannon]

It's pretty straight forward: Women like a take-charge guy who doesn't need to ask for permission.
Asking is for wimps. Real men take control of the situation.

I don't disagree here. BUT - it's not like women like that from everybody, certainly not from a total stranger. There must have been some interaction before. Just like with the kissing.

 

[coldneck]

I don't disagree here. BUT - it's not like women like that from everybody, certainly not from a total stranger. There must have been some interaction before. Just like with the kissing.

Agreed! I kiss them well along the way ...the next thing they know they're helpless ... tickled half to death (without consent) , then , ultimately , SEX!!!

Everyone goes home happy!


Is it still Non_Con if we had intercourse after?!?

In my experience, my so-called "victims" are willing to to go thru a little tickling if it gets them a roll in the hay.

There's my P.O.V.
it's worked well for me so far.

 

[coldneck]

I'm afraid I've gotta agree with coldneck, on this one...

Otherwise, yeah. I agree with coldneck. Context is everything.

Did I really say that?! Awesome!!!

If i really did ... I'll go ahead and agree with you (and me).

"Coldneck officially endorses this message" ~ Coldneck

 

[coldneck]

Another question comes to me after reading the responses:

Is it only Non-Con if I didn't "know" my victim beforehand?

If she was coming on to me like a freight train, is it still wrong to take a willing, but-doesn't-know-it-yet "victim" into my realm w/o disclosing every-fucking-thing to her and making her sign a contract?

The lines are getting awfully blurry.