Redmage said:
That's a bit confused. It sounds as though you're talking about Crowley's disagreement with MacGregor Mathers. Both were members of the Order of the Golden Dawn. The Golden Dawn was a "magical order" whose membership included many of England's literary and cultural leaders (Arthur Machen, W.B. Yeats, Florence Farr, Maude Gonn, and others). So its secrecy was dubious at best.
In 1900, the Golden Dawn was undergoing an internal power struggle. Mathers was the titular head of the Order until March of that year, when a revolt within the Order led to Mathers' expulsion. Crowley initially backed Mathers, and was also expelled as a result. Within a few months Crowley and Mathers had a falling out. Meanwhile the Golden Dawn underwent a series of schisms, and by 1902 had ceased to exist for most practical purposes, though some of the splinter groups continued for some time under other names.
This is the story i was refering to, whether it was made up to make crowley seem more amazing or it "did happen", this is a widely told story
"Once something of a disciple to Mathers, Crowley had recently fallen out with is former mentor. According to the story, Crowley blamed Mathers for the death of his dogs and swore revenge. But before he could summon his powers, Mathers launched another round of his relentless psychic attack. This time, Crowley was visited by a demon in the form of a beautiful female vampire. But Crowley, it seems, was no pushover. It is said that he used his powerful sexual magic to transform the young woman into a decrepit old hag who could only hobble away wearily before dematerializing.
Mathers changed tack, now concentrating his psychic influence on the Boleskin House lodgekeeper, who suddenly attacked Crowley's wife, Rose. She survived unharmed, but it appears Crowley had had enough. he summoned the demon Beelzebub, along with 49 lesser demons, and physically dispatched them to Mathers' Paris flat. Mathers survived to intense attack, but, according to the tale, it brought the psychic duel between himself and Crowley to an end, with Crowley emerging the victor."
As for the people who do practice pagan magicks, such as stated here for healing and protection, i will not dispute them working or not, but for the sake of healing, can you prove it was your work that did the healing, or was it natural healing or the person believing the magick would work. Its similar to vodoun, practicioners of it will even say it is powerless unless you believe in them
