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Do you feel the state you live in affects your life (socially, affordability,etc)?

scorpionldr

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Lately I've been thinking a lot about moving. I've been a New Jersey resident all my life (I'm 27). I used to think I'd stay here for the rest of my life, that is, until I considered how things are looking for me. I work in a job that doesn't pay me nearly enough to support myself. I used to have a small social circle, however they've all moved on/ventured to other social groups/jobs. I've been dateless for over two years now.

In all honesty, other than breathing, eating, and working, I have nothing I'd really call a life outside of music. People here always seem to be in a constant rush, tightly connected to their own groups, very suspicious of others, avoiding the weird (which I am, frankly). The only thing people seem to care about is nickel-and-diming the next person to hell and back. I've prettymuch guaranteed myself the guess that if I meet a nice girl, she's screwing another guy. I have family relocating to parts of FL, for instance, so it might be a good idea to see about moving, as well.

But I digress.

Back in communications class in college, I heard comment from my teacher "life in New Jersey, New York, are without a doubt the fastest paced states in the US, possibly the world. Everywhere else is much slower paced." A year or so later, I took a real estate class. Teacher emphasizes "LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION" as one of the key factors for picking a home. Now, they are in that capacity talking about the ability for a home to conform to meet the standards of others surrounding it.

But it got me thinking: would I still have the same problems in another state? Would it be easier to "live"?


Now granted, I understand not all problems can be solved. Certainly not social ones, depending on how inhibited with shyness etc. But wouldn't cost of living, amount of time, size of state (I'll explain) be factors affecting this?

Lets discuss the mere factor of land. My state, according to 2010 US census, holds 8,791,894 people. We have 8,721.30 square miles of land to work with. That equates to 1000 people per square mile. Pretty dense. That could certainly affect people's ability to generally function just by themselves. But with other people, who knows. Then we look to a state like Virginia. Population is roughly around the same as New Jersey. Square miles? 42,774.20. Five times as much state to function in.

So the question is, do you think (or even question) that your situation, being it any aspect, might actually better if you moved elsewhere?

By the way, this is the data I'm working my theories from:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_population

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_area
 
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Oh HELLL YES IT DOES!

My state, if I'm not mistaken, is listed as 47th in job growth/opportunities. I only moved out here to live with my folks until the economy picked up after 9/11...yeah, that never really happened given that the liberal arts degree market which had been thriving in the 90s was--and still is--reduced to Sunny von Bulow level catatonia. Meanwhile I'm still stuck here with nowhere NEAR enough finance to move to another city, let alone another state.

Then again, however, I never received a sufficient enough education to thrive in tech industries that are now the only viable occupations anymore. So even if I moved to a state with better economic prospects, I wouldn't be qualified for any job that could pay me enough to live there.

I love it here, but without money, it's a damn black hole.
 
Oh HELLL YES IT DOES!

My state, if I'm not mistaken, is listed as 47th in job growth/opportunities. I only moved out here to live with my folks until the economy picked up after 9/11...yeah, that never really happened given that the liberal arts degree market which had been thriving in the 90s was--and still is--reduced to Sunny von Bulow level catatonia. Meanwhile I'm still stuck here with nowhere NEAR enough finance to move to another city, let alone another state.

Then again, however, I never received a sufficient enough education to thrive in tech industries that are now the only viable occupations anymore. So even if I moved to a state with better economic prospects, I wouldn't be qualified for any job that could pay me enough to live there.

I love it here, but without money, it's a damn black hole.

So do you find yourself more or less hindered in meeting people?
 
Maine.

oh sure it's pretty, we've got lakes, mountains, trees, and some other stuff.. but trying LIVING here. I live out in the middle of no where, 20-40 minute drive to get to anything pretty much... Maine has a massive unemployment rate, we're expensive as hell to live in, and our governor is a FUCKING IDIOT and just making matters worse 🙂 But I digress lol.

I wont be here much longer- but even before femfttickler21 I knew I wanted out. This state has more issues than I know what to do with. Frankly, someone my age, unless you go out partying and drinking at bars (which isn't my scene here).... you meet no one (and family reunions don't count! lol)...

Moving doesn't solve all problems, no, but it gives you a fresh start and may lead you to happiness... then again you may just find NJ was where you really wanted to be after all... my only word of advice- economy sucks so keep that in mind while you're planning a move, could be months before you find a job in another state..... just sayin'
 
Maine.

oh sure it's pretty, we've got lakes, mountains, trees, and some other stuff.. but trying LIVING here. I live out in the middle of no where, 20-40 minute drive to get to anything pretty much... Maine has a massive unemployment rate, we're expensive as hell to live in, and our governor is a FUCKING IDIOT and just making matters worse 🙂 But I digress lol.

I wont be here much longer- but even before femfttickler21 I knew I wanted out. This state has more issues than I know what to do with. Frankly, someone my age, unless you go out partying and drinking at bars (which isn't my scene here).... you meet no one (and family reunions don't count! lol)...

Moving doesn't solve all problems, no, but it gives you a fresh start and may lead you to happiness... then again you may just find NJ was where you really wanted to be after all... my only word of advice- economy sucks so keep that in mind while you're planning a move, could be months before you find a job in another state..... just sayin'

Honestly, you just more or less described Washington word for word.

I hate this place. I want to leave this state just as much as you want to leave Maine.
 
I used to absolutely despise North Carolina. The only city I liked was Asheville.

Over time, things changed. Greensboro isn't so bad anymore. It's not great, but it's at least got more to do now than it did in the 90s. Crime is unfortunately up as is unemployment, but that's par for the course with today's economy.

Charlotte and Raleigh are more interesting than Greensboro, but Raleigh is a lot more expensive, and Charlotte has worse crime.

Northern Virginia seems a lot better than NC, but it's also a lot more expensive. For the price, NC isn't bad in certain cities like Greensboro, Raleigh, and Charlotte. However, there are some hellholes like Winston-Salem, Durham, and Fayetteville, and our summers are brutally hot and humid.

Overall, the state you live in matters less than the city.

As mentioned above, Northern Virginia is nice, but Southern Virginia is redneck hell. By the same token, Charlotte is fun, but Durham is just shitty.
 
I can relate to this. I've got some friends in another state who are really pushing for me to move there, offering help, etc. The city I live in now is sad. There's very little to do, nothing to aspire to. Accomplishing any goals or dreams here is nearly pointless. Very few people here want to do anything real to improve the city or their own lives. There's no culture, the arts don't flourish here. I hate it. I am still nervous about leaving what I know to take a chance on some place unfamiliar, but the fear of leaving compared to the suffocation of staying is very small. I know that if I don't leave, I will never reach my full potential or be able to show my kids a more fulfilling life.
 
New York State. Very high taxes, very disfunctional state government. Yes, that has a big effect on me. Ugh. 🙁
 
Affordability. No. I'm not rich, but, especially after what I've seen with the prices in NJ the last three months, it makes me realize how affordable Lancaster County is.

Rent, food shopping costs, resturants, etc, are much cheaper than what my relatives who live in NY and NJ pay for those things.

Socially, it sucks. The people are not welcoming to outsiders, and are very cold. This is one reason why, if God Willing all is okay with my mom's medical situation, we want to move from Lancaster ASAP. I found the people in NJ, much more accomadating and welcoming, then anyone I've ever met in Lancaster County. I dont have high hopes for finding the kind of girl I want to in that county, even though I know one can't make such generalizations.

Mitch
 
Virginia.

I am lucky to be from a state with such a rich history and has all the best of both worlds (mountains, beaches, valleys, flat areas, etc.) Northern Virginia /Washington D.C. was always just a few hours away for me when I was a kid so I always had the close proximity to fun museums, the zoo, shopping, etc. The area I grew up in in (almost) Northwestern Virginia is very nice and rural. It was definitely quiet and made me very appreciative of things when I visited bigger cities like Washington D.C. and Baltimore. That was always a treat. Plus the close proximity to NC was always lovely because my family always (and still does) go to the beach down there each summer. The area I am from however doesn't offer many opportunities. Growing up there was wonderful with the fresh air, wide open spaces, mountain views, etc. But I would never want to raise my family there, I want to be closer to more people and action. Northern VA and D.C. just offer more opportunities.

But also let me say that I have family in Southern Virginia and it is not at all a "redneck hell." I mean EVERYWHERE you go you have rednecks, that is the honest truth. Southern Virginia is a very beautiful area with fun cities like Roanoke, Blacksburg, etc. I have always enjoyed visiting that area and I definitely know MY family is not redneck >_>
 
What do you mean?

Do you feel like your surroundings make your ability to meet people more or less difficult?

I ask these types of questions because I am in the same sort of situation that Mitchell is in (reply posted below) in Lancaster County.. Except its not only unwelcoming seeming to me, but its also expensive. Sure, they may be somewhat friendly. They'll give you a shot at the typical basics. But really, when the day is done, unless they're placed back in a social situation in which they need to interact with you, you can consider yourself ****ed for finding any new friends that actually want you "in the loop".


Affordability. No. I'm not rich, but, especially after what I've seen with the prices in NJ the last three months, it makes me realize how affordable Lancaster County is.

Rent, food shopping costs, resturants, etc, are much cheaper than what my relatives who live in NY and NJ pay for those things.

Socially, it sucks. The people are not welcoming to outsiders, and are very cold. This is one reason why, if God Willing all is okay with my mom's medical situation, we want to move from Lancaster ASAP. I found the people in NJ, much more accomadating and welcoming, then anyone I've ever met in Lancaster County. I dont have high hopes for finding the kind of girl I want to in that county, even though I know one can't make such generalizations.

Mitch

Some areas of NJ are the same way lol. But yea, I've heard that complaint from a few people that live in PA as far as people either being creepy, cold, unfriendly, or all at the same time.

Oh yea, definitely.

Tbh, I don't think I would have enjoyed college near as much if I had gone anywhere else. The University I go to is 64% female, 36% male (according to their last internal stats). That means that even if every female hooked up with every male on campus, 28% would still be dateless. =D Honestly, that made dating life a million times easier around here. I've spent the past decade in relationships, with really only a year total being single in that time (all single time combined). I truly do not believe that would have been the case anywhere else.

However, beyond that there is NOTHING else to do here. Parties and a couple of local pubs. There's a mall 30 minutes away and a bowling alley 20 minutes away and that is about it. It's driving me nuts. Before the end of the year I actually do intend to move, and perhaps move somewhere much larger and faster paced. I want to see what life around a metropolis is like =D
lol and where is this?? Shit, what I'd give for a nice date these days....

Btw people, I'd like all people to post their current city if they haven't already; I'd like to get a general idea of what areas people are satisfied or dissatisfied in.

I used to absolutely despise North Carolina. The only city I liked was Asheville.

Over time, things changed. Greensboro isn't so bad anymore. It's not great, but it's at least got more to do now than it did in the 90s. Crime is unfortunately up as is unemployment, but that's par for the course with today's economy.

Charlotte and Raleigh are more interesting than Greensboro, but Raleigh is a lot more expensive, and Charlotte has worse crime.

Northern Virginia seems a lot better than NC, but it's also a lot more expensive. For the price, NC isn't bad in certain cities like Greensboro, Raleigh, and Charlotte. However, there are some hellholes like Winston-Salem, Durham, and Fayetteville, and our summers are brutally hot and humid.

Overall, the state you live in matters less than the city.

As mentioned above, Northern Virginia is nice, but Southern Virginia is redneck hell. By the same token, Charlotte is fun, but Durham is just shitty.
I knew a buddy of mine who settled with his mom's end of family in South Carolina about 5 years ago, and had a pretty good run. Given his qualifications he hasn't been able to find the best of jobs, but now is a father of 3 in Missouri, married happily. Complete change from the guy I knew who was considered by people in my area "just a joke" to being a dad.

As far as rednecks....who cares? lol. If they're friendly, I don't see how much harm it can really do, and if they're single and decent, thats another good prospect to tickle, so I wouldn't count them out. So long as there's ATV riding, I'm there! :bubbly:
 
I forgot to say yea thats a pretty great image. Definitely Hones into what I'm talking about.
 
New York State. Very high taxes, very disfunctional state government. Yes, that has a big effect on me. Ugh. 🙁

I live in the southern tier of that terribly benighted state (OK, a little dramatic, but This American Life's installment on dysfunctional economies featured a spotlight on NY State!).

My town is basically what urban planners call a "doughnut", a relatively inert downtown surrounded by the suburbs where all the people and businesses (mostly chains at this point) went. There does seem to be an "underground" of culturally-progressive people here amongst the Friday's/Costco crowd.

I'm not exactly Warren Buffet, so I'm not sure a major move is feasible.

Chrisums - That's a great picture. Neil Armstrong was no dummy!
 
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Do you feel like your surroundings make your ability to meet people more or less difficult?
- scorpionldr
Oh, no not at all. In fact, this is an extremely social and open community, and there's NO shortage of events or opportunities to meet and network with people. But they are all social situations, and I'm not a big fan of mass activities because they're big, noisy, and congested. And in any event, these qualities don't make the job environment any easier.
 
Oh it is. But you gotta have MONEY if you want to live comfortably. Trying to build something on your own isn't gonna work unless you have at LEAST startup capital and some kind of agricultural industrial genius that people will have universal need of.
 
Oh, I'm trying my hand at youtube stardom....Hey, its a quick buck if I can jumpstart it.
 
absolutely it does I was born in Massachusetts and lived here my entire life and the weather here changes on a continous basis and it is troubling. I'm waiting to find out about my job transfer to Arizona and i know i'll be far better off there granted i do know how hot it does get but a warmer climate for me would be far better than the oppressive humidity
and freezing cold temperatures that greatly impact my overall health conditions
 
absolutely it does I was born in Massachusetts and lived here my entire life and the weather here changes on a continous basis and it is troubling. I'm waiting to find out about my job transfer to Arizona and i know i'll be far better off there granted i do know how hot it does get but a warmer climate for me would be far better than the oppressive humidity
and freezing cold temperatures that greatly impact my overall health conditions

sounds fun tho. Nice to know not every day is going to be same as the last.
 
The only thing I think would change about me if I some how improved myself financially would be my wardrobe and owning a house instead of renting an apartment (that I am moving to tomorrow) The friends I have, I believe would keep me pretty grounded, and I have always promised myself that I would fallow 1 rule in life "If you weren't with me when things were rough, then I don't need you when things are good.". Being popular never concerned me, in fact I've always thought that the in-crowd normally consisted of the biggest gathering of spineless back stabbers you'd ever know. I am happy with having a few buddies that I can kick back with and have a couple of beers with, or have a little Crown with a cigar to bring in the new year. People can say what they want, but I would rather be a working class Joe with three friends, then Mr. Money and hanging our with 100 "friends" when I can't stand to be around 97 of them.

What you have to ask yourself is "Am I content in life?", I would guess the fact that you even started this thread the answer is probably no, so then it depends on what exactly you think is wrong. You could leave New Jersey, New York, or wherever it is you are from, and move to Alaska, become a garbage collector, and be happy. Then again you could move to California, become a big time Realtor and be completely miserable. I used to work as a painter, making $30.oo/hour (Union), and I was miserable because of the people I was around. Now I make less then half that as a security guard, but I am actually much happier because I like the people better. Now I can't drop $200.oo at the nudie Barr like I used to, nor can I pick up a half dozen DVD's whenever I feel like it, but hey mentally I am in a better place.

You need to figure out what will make you happy, and go for it.
ST
 
The only thing I think would change about me if I some how improved myself financially would be my wardrobe and owning a house instead of renting an apartment (that I am moving to tomorrow) The friends I have, I believe would keep me pretty grounded, and I have always promised myself that I would fallow 1 rule in life "If you weren't with me when things were rough, then I don't need you when things are good.". Being popular never concerned me, in fact I've always thought that the in-crowd normally consisted of the biggest gathering of spineless back stabbers you'd ever know. I am happy with having a few buddies that I can kick back with and have a couple of beers with, or have a little Crown with a cigar to bring in the new year. People can say what they want, but I would rather be a working class Joe with three friends, then Mr. Money and hanging our with 100 "friends" when I can't stand to be around 97 of them.

What you have to ask yourself is "Am I content in life?", I would guess the fact that you even started this thread the answer is probably no, so then it depends on what exactly you think is wrong. You could leave New Jersey, New York, or wherever it is you are from, and move to Alaska, become a garbage collector, and be happy. Then again you could move to California, become a big time Realtor and be completely miserable. I used to work as a painter, making $30.oo/hour (Union), and I was miserable because of the people I was around. Now I make less then half that as a security guard, but I am actually much happier because I like the people better. Now I can't drop $200.oo at the nudie Barr like I used to, nor can I pick up a half dozen DVD's whenever I feel like it, but hey mentally I am in a better place.

You need to figure out what will make you happy, and go for it.
ST

so far the major problem is never "getting any". Anything else I think I could put up with regardless of where I go.
 
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