Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy on Dailymotion piracy?

[c7_assassin]

Hi kids. It's your Uncle C7 here. You remember, I'm the one who always used to make you sit on his lap far longer than was age appropriate, and would sometimes put my hand on your knee when we were at the dinner table. That Thanksgiving you wore short pants was fun, wasn't it? But I'm not here to milk my throbbing erection; I'm here to talk to you about something that affects us all; video piracy.

Now, your old Uncle C7 isn't so naive that he doesn't know what you kids get up to in the shower and the schoolbus and underneath your school books while everyone else is doing math... Hell, when I was your age I actually got the peanut butter-jar pregnant. This isn't about that. This is about stealing.

I'm pretty liberal on video piracy in general, and most other laws for that matter. Hell, at this point movie tickets are basically a tax on the elderly and people too stupid to watch things for free online. There's a simple assymetry between what's possible and what's allowed, and until that gets resolved you can't really blame people for their behaviour. Sort of like how children are softer, but they also don't run as fast.

Thing is, in this particular context, when you're linking to pirated video clips, or asking about how to find them, you really are taking money out of the pockets of people who make art that's way more important to us than it is to most people, and which actually wouldn't exist if there wasn't a financial incentive, and which helps fund this site we're all masturbating together on right now. And none of us wants this mutual masturbation to come to an end, do we?

So without spunking in anybody's oatmeal, can we maybe just put a kibosh on all the video-piracy enabling, at least in the discussion threads? I think that would be in everyone's best interests.

Anyhow, I'll see you and your folks at Christmas. Wear something slutty. 😉

 

[proud2tickle]

Hahahahaha yes piracy is bad, so if ur going to do it just for add salt to the wound and rub it in the face of those who work hard to give to the community

 

[tickle gamer]

Yeah, stealing is bad and all, but look at it this way.

Take me [for exampale], I use DM a good bit [to watch, not post] and when I joined DM their were a lot of [non-tickling] "offical" channals [or at lest they had an "offical" tag and an offical sounding name] that I watched most, but then [sometimes one at a time, sometimes big groups of them] started going away.

So, i say, stealing is bad, but some of the makers of the videos should have their own DM channal with [say for a 10 min video] 1 min preveiws

 

[Bohemianne]

Well, I give you ten votes for this thread, if it will mean moving the world in lilliputian steps. 😀

 

[The Last Laugh]

So, i say, stealing is bad, but some of the makers of the videos should have their own DM channal with [say for a 10 min video] 1 min preveiws

Why? A lot of producers post all of their previews right here on the TMF and even have them on their stores/websites. I see no reason to post my previews on a mainstream sites (where I feel fetish videos don't belong) when people can see and even download them all from my official website.

 

[tickle gamer]

Why? A lot of producers post all of their previews right here on the TMF and even have them on their stores/websites. I see no reason to post my previews on a mainstream sites (where I feel fetish videos don't belong) when people can see and even download them all from my official website.

Sure, they shouldn't post the whole thing

That's true, but some of the ppl I talk to online [mostly ppl from DA] have never heard of the TMF [I know I just happened to find it thu a search on yahoo], while most everyone has heard of DailyMotion.

but, really, You can't really get mad at the ppl the post stolen clips [clips, not the whole thing] on DM if there is no "offical" chanal.

and, plus, I belive it's an ease of use factor, you know, have all the videos on one site ensted of having to go to a dozon [or more] dif sites.

 

[The Last Laugh]

That's true, but some of the ppl I talk to online [mostly ppl from DA] have never heard of the TMF [I know I just happened to find it thu a search on yahoo], while most everyone has heard of DailyMotion.

Seriously, how likely are these people to be into tickling, to the point that they might actually consider buying clips? Not very, I don't think. If someone's passionate enough about tickling, chances are very high that they've already managed to find one of the main tickling forums (or tickling clip stores), or will soon if they just give it a try. It's really not hard at all using pretty much any search engine. DailyMotion is in no way necessary for this.

but, really, You can't really get mad at the ppl the post stolen clips [clips, not the whole thing] on DM if there is no "offical" chanal.

I'm sorry, but I don't understand your "official channel" argument.

and, plus, I belive it's an ease of use factor, you know, have all the videos on one site ensted of having to go to a dozon [or more] dif sites.

So you say it's better to have to search blindly through a totally generic, non fetish-related site that's in no way organized by tickling clips or producers and that clearly doesn't have the vast majority of available free previews on it, as opposed to going straight to the source and finding all the previews all neatly presented (with samples and detailed descriptions) on each producer's official site? I'm sorry, but that doesn't seem very convenient to me at all. I can see the appeal of DM from the viewpoint of someone who just wants to grab some full-length, copyrighted clips for free, but not for free previews.

Now, sharing free previews isn't that big a deal. After all, that's pretty much what they're meant for. But personally, as a producer myself, I have two problems with seeing my previews posted on video sharing sites. One, I really don't like the idea of random people posting my stuff without my permission. It shows a lack of respect for someone's hard work. I much prefer to have control over how it's distributed. It's my work, after all. If I wanted my previews on video-sharing sites, trust me, I'd take care of it myself and make sure I do a decent job of it. Not let other people do it in a way that makes my work look bad.

Two, I avoid posting previews on sites other than my own and relevant tickling ones mainly out of respect for the models' privacy. Obivously the models realize their image will be distributed in some way, but they expect it will be found on my website, my clip stores and other relevant fetish sites. Not on mainstream sites where everyone can see them. I get the feeling that many of the models wouldn't be thrilled to find their footage on sites like DailyMotion or YouTube. Fetish material doesn't belong on mainstream sites, anyway. It really upsets me that the models I've worked with were open-minded and trusting enough to meet me for tickling videos shoots, only to have random people post the footage for everyone to see without me even knowing about it. But clearly, a lot of people either don't understand this or simply don't care.

 

[tickle gamer]

I can see your point, TLL.

but, About the DA members I talk to, I don't know if they're into tickling that much, but a lot of them do tickle art.

and, About the "offical" channals, ppl would'nt have to steel them, if they had a "offical" channal set up by the makers of the videos.

I just think it would be easer [and safer] with all the video clips on one site, because you run the risk of getting a PC viris the more sites you go to.

and, yes, I do admit that the pll should ask before posting the videos.

I don't really understand your point about it's ok to share clips, but bad to to post them on a video sharing site, could you explan the dif

 

[Leo tickles]

I can see your point, TLL.

but, About the DA members I talk to, I don't know if they're into tickling that much, but a lot of them do tickle art.

and, About the "offical" channals, ppl would'nt have to steel them, if they had a "offical" channal set up by the makers of the videos.

I just think it would be easer [and safer] with all the video clips on one site, because you run the risk of getting a PC viris the more sites you go to.

and, yes, I do admit that the pll should ask before posting the videos.

I don't really understand your point about it's ok to share clips, but bad to to post them on a video sharing site, could you explan the dif

What the hell are you talking about?

Every producer either A: has their own website with all of the clips on it or B: has a clips4sale store with all of the clips there.

What official website do you want? They are either at option A or option B, often times at both.

 

[The Last Laugh]

About the DA members I talk to, I don't know if they're into tickling that much, but a lot of them do tickle art.

That makes no sense to me. How is it possible that people who do tickle art (of all things) don't know about what's arguably the most important tickling site on the Internet? Even if they don't know about the TMF or the Tickle Theater, they must be aware of other tickling sites.

If these DA members actually aren't especially interested in tickling (though why they would do tickling drawins is beyond me), then they don't really care about finding a bunch of tickling previews in one convenient place. It's a moot point.

About the "offical" channals, ppl would'nt have to steel them, if they had a "offical" channal set up by the makers of the videos.

As Leo Tickles said, most producers have personal websites and/or clip stores. How much more official does it get? Why do you feel producers should create channels on DailyMotion when their clips and free previews can be found on their own websites, all neatly and conveniently presented?

I just think it would be easer [and safer] with all the video clips on one site, because you run the risk of getting a PC viris the more sites you go to..

Heh, if you're worried about getting viruses just from visiting a few sites (sites/stores that people regularly use to buy clips, no less) you might want to avoid using the Internet altogether.

Besides, if someone avoids the producers' stores, then they're not very likely to buy clips, now are they? Why would producers bother creating special channels on DM to make sure their previews are seen by people who won't even visit their stores?

Also, why would I want to post my previews on a site that's known for its high level of piracy? Sorry, I'm really not interested in the slightest. Somehow, the hassle and frustration of having to have my own full-lenth clips removed from DM doesn't really inspire me to support the site by posting more of my clips, even free ones.

I don't really understand your point about it's ok to share clips, but bad to to post them on a video sharing site, could you explan the dif

I mean that it's fine if free previews appear on relevant fetish sites, like a producer's personal website/store or the various tickling forums, but they have no business appearing on unrelated video sharing sites like DailyMotion, YouTube and the like, as they have nothing to do with fetish material. I don't feel it's very appropriate, as such sites are visited by all kinds of people, including children and teens, and the vast majority of people on those sites aren't at all interested in tickling anyway, or even know there's such a thing as a tickling fetish. Hell, some people don't even know what a fetish is. Fetish clips should remain on fetish-related sites. That's where they're useful and that's where they belong.

Also, as I explained, the models expect the footage to be distributed on fetish sites, since that's where advertising and business take place and where tickling fans hang out. But they might not be very comfortable with their footage appearing on mainstream sites where anyone can see it. Maybe some people don't have a problem with the models potentially being embarrassed this way, but I certainly do.

 

[tickle gamer]

Specking of fetish sites, I found some of the same videos [in a yahoo search] posted on xxxbunker and other porn sites. what is your take on that?

and, I know for a fact that xxxbunker has other fet stuff.

EDIT: To your point, I don't know how they don't know, when I ask if they are members of TMF the most common reply is "what is TMF?"

EDIT 2: You have to admit, DM may have started out as a mainstream site, but now [or as I see it] it has more porn and fet videos than most of the bigger porn/fet sites.

 

[coldneck]

So without spunking in anybody's oatmeal, can we maybe just put a kibosh on all the video-piracy enabling, at least in the discussion threads? I think that would be in everyone's best interests.

I'm sure your campaign will be an effective one. Let us know how it turns out for you.

 

[The Last Laugh]

Specking of fetish sites, I found some of the same videos [in a yahoo search] posted on xxxbunker and other porn sites. what is your take on that?

and, I know for a fact that xxxbunker has other fet stuff.

Are you talking about free previews or full-length clips? Either way I believe that what I wrote in previous posts in this thread pretty much covers how I feel about it. Basically, if it's full-length clips they shouldn't be shared in any way, and if it's free previews I don't want mine to be posted by anyone else for the same reasons I've already explained.

EDIT 2: You have to admit, DM may have started out as a mainstream site, but now [or as I see it] it has more porn and fet videos than most of the bigger porn/fet sites.

So you're saying that just because some people abuse the site by posting fetish clips that don't belong on it it means producers should all open channels and post their previews, even though it's entirely unnecessary? Just because people share fetish clips on DM, often illegally and almost always without the producers' permission, doesn't make DM a fetish/porn site. It's not what it's meant to be. By the same logic, I could argue that DM is a pirating site, since it features so many pirated videos.

By the way, I notice you didn't say anything about how it makes no sense for producers to post their previews on DM for people who will then avoid their stores, out of fear of "getting viruses". That one amused me quite a bit.

 

[tickle gamer]

I've not saw any of your stuff on xxxbunker [well, that I know of anyway].

That's true, but I have saw a lot of homemade porn stuff on there [and, the poster admits it is them]

I think [and this is just a theroy] that why DM started letting stuff in, was to help the cops [because, I have seen [not watched] a lot a teen stuff on there]

 

[The Last Laugh]

I think [and this is just a theroy] that why DM started letting stuff in, was to help the cops [because, I have seen [not watched] a lot a teen stuff on there]

Or maybe the DM people simply can't be bothered with screening the videos that are posted, only removing stuff if someone makes a special request and provides a bunch of info (of sometimes dubious relevance), often to prove their ownership of pirated videos. I kind of doubt DM cares about helping the cops catch anyone.

In any case, I'm done with this thread. I've explained how I feel about this issue and I don't have anything else to add. You're free to rationalize it all you want.

 

[tickle gamer]

Ok, last post to this tread.

Let me explain something I said in a post I posted before.

I thought [some of] the DM posters might have the permission of the maker because some of the videos still had the copy right info on them, now I have never stole mainly anything [well, knowingly anyway], but that seemed like something I would cut off if it were me [I mean, there are no shortages of video editors].

 

[Artoo]

I thought [some of] the DM posters might have the permission of the maker because some of the videos still had the copy right info on them, now I have never stole mainly anything [well, knowingly anyway], but that seemed like something I would cut off if it were me [I mean, there are no shortages of video editors].

I would imagine that it's average Joe Internetter who uploads the pirated stuff to dailymotion - I really don't think most of them would care enough to edit the videos prior to uploading them.

Unless of course, there's a cabal of international tickling pirates out there somewhere. If so, that sounds way cooler than it probably is.

 

[Comfort Eagle]

Unless of course, there's a cabal of international tickling pirates out there somewhere. If so, that sounds way cooler than it probably is.

Thing with this is I know you were joking... buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut some of these producers will actually tell you there is a guy out that that pretty much is running a sort of video pirating racket.

 

[tarr2k]

Thing with this is I know you were joking... buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut some of these producers will actually tell you there is a guy out that that pretty much is running a sort of video pirating racket.

I am not! I mean... Smokebomb! *bang*

 

[tickle gamer]

international tickling pirates

I know I said the my last post would be my last to this tread, but I have to say, that sounds like a good idea for a tickle story right there.