Drugs Discussion

[Krokus]

Ok, I got into a major argument with one of my friends over this last night. We were at a rave, lights were going everywhere, the music was pulsating, we had glowsticks, mouthlights, alcohol...basically, it was heaven. 😀

About half way through the night, we go over to the bar to get some drinks, and one of my "friends" (we'll call her that) came up to us and offered us some Extacy. I accepted; I was having a great time, and I wanted that extra "MMPH" =P

Now, after I took the pill, my friend gets really huffy puffy about it, and gives me "The Speech" (you know what im talking about) ..he then left.


Now, this is my argument. Why should anyone care who does drugs? Is that not personal buisness? If someone wants to do something, even if it is dangerous, IT'S THEIR CHOICE, is it not? He told me "if you wanna kill yourself there are cheaper ways to do it you know" At which point I told him to mind his own buisness. I guess im just tired of people who judge others.

Thought? Experiences? Opinions?

 

[MrMacphisto]

I agree man. The War on Drugs is bullshit. All it does is create an illegal market for high demand products -- thereby providing a lucrative industry for organized crime and even terrorist groups every once in a while.

 

[Sultrybrunette]

I could see in other instances, maybe your thoughts on religion or the way that you look, shouldn't be judged, but when it comes to taking something so dangerous as drugs thats different. He was being a friend by showing his concern and warning you. Probably not the most tactful way but kids your age are not known for your tact. Did you drive? Hopefully not with the alcohol and drugs. You may think your indestructable but your not. And neither are the people that you could have killed by driving. To be pissed that someone showed his concern for you is very immature. He wouldn't have truly been a friend if he hadnt had. More than likely it was out of frustration too because you seem bent on destroying yourself. I am not saying I am innocent. God knows I have driving drunk many times and am thankful that I never was caught or worse killed someone. You get caught doing that shit you are talking major time in prison. It may seem like I am blowing smoke and I am talking worse case scenario, but its a very good way of ruining your life and, trust me, you WILL regret it IF you get older and mature. *Shrugs shoulders* just my two cents.

 

[BigJim]

You are an adult, you are free to choose what you do and do not do. This includes drugs.

Personally I would have done exactly the same as your friend if I had been there. Both to demonstrate my concern for a friend taking E, and out of disgust. I'm not ignorant enough to believe that nothing the FDAA doesn't put its stamp on is automatically "never touch material", but buying something like that in a place like a club, where you could be buying caked talcum powder for all you know is asking for trouble. It could have had any impurity in it, from something that would make you whizzed off your tits just a bit more than usual, to something that would totally shut down your lymphatic system. This is not even going near the argument that you were breaking the law in a country with harsher penalties for drug abuse than any other First World nation.

So yeah, it's your choice. As it was his to express his disgust and contempt.

 

[Krokus]

Ok, let me clarify a few things.


Sultry: I did not drive, I went home with a group of friends.

BigJim: The person I got the X from, is trustworthy. That is all I will say for the sake of secrecy.


I don't really care about the potential helath hazards, I've done my research.

All im saying is that to do what he did, and make a big scene, when he could have just waited till we got home, was uncalled for. I've heard it all before, and I just think it really is a personal decision. Some do it to escape the congestion of modern society, some have other reasons. Either way, I believe that it isn't right to judge someone until you've walked in thier shoes. Just my philosophy. I guess I am just more in favor of a permissive society...and it's something that just doesn't exist in this country. Tell me Jim, are things different there?

 

[MrMacphisto]

I could see in other instances, maybe your thoughts on religion or the way that you look, shouldn't be judged, but when it comes to taking something so dangerous as drugs thats different. He was being a friend by showing his concern and warning you. Probably not the most tactful way but kids your age are not known for your tact. Did you drive? Hopefully not with the alcohol and drugs. You may think your indestructable but your not. And neither are the people that you could have killed by driving. To be pissed that someone showed his concern for you is very immature. He wouldn't have truly been a friend if he hadnt had. More than likely it was out of frustration too because you seem bent on destroying yourself. I am not saying I am innocent. God knows I have driving drunk many times and am thankful that I never was caught or worse killed someone. You get caught doing that shit you are talking major time in prison. It may seem like I am blowing smoke and I am talking worse case scenario, but its a very good way of ruining your life and, trust me, you WILL regret it IF you get older and mature. *Shrugs shoulders* just my two cents.

While it is true that this person might have been warning Krokus out of care for him, there is a culture that exists in the rave scene known as "straight-edge" -- at least that's what they called it back in the late '90s. These people pride themselves on being totally abstinent from drugs and alcohol (and sometimes even sex). That's fine that they choose to do that, and in many ways, it requires self-discipline. Unfortunately (as with any group), many of them exude an aura of arrogance that is the result of some false sense of self-importance. They think that their restraint somehow makes them superior to anyone that uses drugs or alcohol. It becomes a social clique where they break out a "holier than thou" demeanor in pursuit of telling people why drugs and alcohol are bad. I don't know if this person is one of those types, but I'd definitely be offended if one of them came up to me and started their spill.

 

[MrMacphisto]

Personally I would have done exactly the same as your friend if I had been there. Both to demonstrate my concern for a friend taking E, and out of disgust. I'm not ignorant enough to believe that nothing the FDAA doesn't put its stamp on is automatically "never touch material", but buying something like that in a place like a club, where you could be buying caked talcum powder for all you know is asking for trouble. It could have had any impurity in it, from something that would make you whizzed off your tits just a bit more than usual, to something that would totally shut down your lymphatic system. This is not even going near the argument that you were breaking the law in a country with harsher penalties for drug abuse than any other First World nation.

So yeah, it's your choice. As it was his to express his disgust and contempt.

Good points: E is definitely a risky drug. I took it once while I was on Ephedrine, so unfortunately, it postponed my trip until after I had gotten back to my dorm. Granted, I was with 4 female friends of mine at the time, and uh... let's just say I wish I could relive that night over and over again.

 

[BigJim]

BigJim: The person I got the X from, is trustworthy. That is all I will say for the sake of secrecy.

Then you must be the only person I've ever known who's found a drug dealer than can be described as "trustworthy". I've seen a few and none would come close to that definition.

I don't really care about the potential helath hazards, I've done my research.

I hope sculpture is a hobby of yours then.

Either way, I believe that it isn't right to judge someone until you've walked in thier shoes. Just my philosophy. I guess I am just more in favor of a permissive society...and it's something that just doesn't exist in this country. Tell me Jim, are things different there?

Not really. Our custodial sentences are rarely as severe as I'd like. Having said that posession of canabis in the US is an offence that is punished waaaaaaaaaaay out of proportion to the rest of the world. I am also in favour of a permissive society, in all things. I think if you want to take drugs, that's entirely your decision. Personally I am heavilly predjudiced against them, and not without cause.

 

[MrMacphisto]

Aw, c'mon Jim... Don't you want a hit? *passes the bong and goes into the "peer pressure" stereotype* Everybody's doing it. It'll make you look older (ok, that only works with teenagers). What, are you afraid your parents will find out? 😛

 

[supler]

Yep, it's your right to put in your body what you want to, but I hope my friends care about me as much as yours does about you. It probably would have been "easier" for them to just shut up and keep enjoying their night out. It was sure easier for me to keep quiet and I'm sure my father never meant to OD and die.

 

[Krokus]

Im sorry that happened to your father man. The difference is that I am a "casual" user, and im not addicted and I don't "rely" on them or anything like that. I'm actually going to meet my friend for lunch right now, so we'll see what happenens.





I do agree that weed is made into waaaaaaay too big of a deal here.

Legalise it already FFS!!



I understand about how you are against drugs in alot of ways Jim, I mean, I don't know your personal reasons, but I have seen what they CAN do to people, if those people allow it to get out of control.

 

[supler]

he didn't start out as an addict and I'm sure it wasn't his dream to become one. I actually agree with you about the weed.

 

[asutickler]

Personally, I think that if a person takes drugs society should leave them to deal with the consequences on their own. If you injure yourself while under the influence, become ill from side-effects, or begin to suffer from long-term degeneritive effects, then you had better have health insurance or a hell of a lot of cash to pay for your own care.

I'm not really a fan of paying for other people's f*ck-ups. 😡

 

[Cosmo_ac]

The difference is that I am a "casual" user, and im not addicted and I don't "rely" on them or anything like that.

Few things here.


1. Thats how a lot of people start off Krokus. Casual users. Then, they start using them more, and before long they are using them more and more. Thats how drugs work. They are MEANT to be addictive.

2. You don't have to be addicted to them for them to still kill you or cause problems. The first time you take it can kill you just as much as the hundredth time can kill you.

The person I got the X from, is trustworthy. That is all I will say for the sake of secrecy.

Well, i'm glad he's trustworthy. But what about his dealer? And if he makes the drugs himself, there is no garrentee that he won't make a bad batch by mistake.

My sister took E for a while, couple years i think. Then she stopped. For the next several years she suffered from back pain. My advice, if you want to do drugs, stick with pot.

 

[supler]

I think that since it's your own body you should be able to do with it as you choose as long as you aren't causing harm to anyone else (hence my strong belief in drunk driving laws)


I am in no way trying to be aggresive here, but do you think for one moment that my father ODing and dying didn't harm me, my mother, my brother and my grandmother?
This is just my opinion, and obviously I have a strong one here. I guess what I'm really getting down to is, your friend cared enough to stand up to you. Maybe something inside them hurts too. Most people just stand by and watch as someone uses. This person cares enough about you to do the "heavy" thing. Be grateful for thrm, not mad at them.

 

[supler]

Sorry, obviously, the top part of my last post was supposed to be a quote from Ticklkitten. Just didn't want anyone to be confused. And Krokus, please don't feel attacked. It's just my hot spot. If you were here right now, I'd be happy to "smoke" with ya... but I wouldn't let you drive home!

 

[Krokus]

I see the point your making man, and you have good reason to. The difference is, I don't have kids (nor will I ever), or much family. Step dad, half brother is all I have left in terms of family. My step dad is 67 years old, and my brother does all kinds of drugs. What I do, has no effect on their lives, trust me.


Kitten, you make some very good points about alcohol and such, I totally agree. I never drive when im fucked up on something, I always have designated drivers, and if I don't, I either won't do anything, or I'll call someone. Of course, there have been a few cases where I have driven after doing a few things...but I hadn't done enough to impair my abilities. I can always tell when im too screwed to drive, and I'll never make that mistake. BTW: I think your awesome as hell!

I am thankful that he cares enough to warn me. I told him as much when we had lunch today. What I also told him, was that he was acting like I was taking this stuff every other night. I do it on weekends, at clubs. Thats it. I don't do it every single weekend either, just occasionally; it makes the flashing lights turn into something that has to be seen to be believed!! 😛

everything gets better, the lights, the music, the fluidity of my dance... my social skills ect.


I just think he overreacted, but it's the thought that counts I guess.

 

[Ticklish9's]

Ok, I got into a major argument with one of my friends over this last night. We were at a rave, lights were going everywhere, the music was pulsating, we had glowsticks, mouthlights, alcohol...basically, it was heaven. 😀

About half way through the night, we go over to the bar to get some drinks, and one of my "friends" (we'll call her that) came up to us and offered us some Extacy. I accepted; I was having a great time, and I wanted that extra "MMPH" =P

Now, after I took the pill, my friend gets really huffy puffy about it, and gives me "The Speech" (you know what im talking about) ..he then left.


Now, this is my argument. Why should anyone care who does drugs? Is that not personal buisness? If someone wants to do something, even if it is dangerous, IT'S THEIR CHOICE, is it not? He told me "if you wanna kill yourself there are cheaper ways to do it you know" At which point I told him to mind his own buisness. I guess im just tired of people who judge others.

Thought? Experiences? Opinions?

A) I realize I'm committing a faux pas and not reading all the responses before making my own, but I'm sooo excited about B) that I can't wait to respond.

B) I didn't know you were a raver Krokus!!!!! You have to come out to one of my events sometime 😀 I've been heavily involved in the rave scene for the past 3 years or so and now make a trip out just about every weekend to whichever rave catches my interest. We must have a discussion re: music and raves in the very near future - it is my passion and my life. 😀

C) The problem with across-the-board illegalization (as per drugs) rather than specific action legislation (as in drunk driving re: alcohol) is that legitimate problems with drugs can't be addressed (addiction is a disease, not a crime) and that legitimate use can't be maintained (marijuana has a host of useful applications; ecstasy was used for therapeutic relief before it became demonized; recreational use can't be overlooked, either).


HOWEVER, and most importantly, the law has already ruled on your right to do with your body as you choose. In the landmark case Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court of the United States found that the 4th amendment's right to privacy guarenteed every American citizen the right to do with his or her own body what he or she chooses. Now, whether you agree or not with the decision, the fact remains that this is a ruling on the books and made by the highest court in the nation. It cannot be shrugged off easily (and I'd make it the cornerstone of drug conviction case I'd ever hypothetically be involved with).

 

[jk666uk]

drugs are great

extary coke puff weed mdma is all great
i do it ever weekend for the past 3 or 4 years
people do not no what they are missing out on its GREAT FUN

 

[mark 19]

No Drugs! Bad . Actually I’m not fussed if people do 🙂 most of my mates do I just wouldn’t personal for several reasons eg expensive, bad for you - with my diet I’m already headed towards an early grave (well I say early like 50-60), makes you loose touch a bit if you do it regularly and I’m already maladjusted enough with out the drugs.

Summary: don’t do em myself, but don’t mind others doing it if its not to the extent of an addiction.

 

[BigJim]

extary coke puff weed mdma is all great
i do it ever weekend for the past 3 or 4 years
people do not no what they are missing out on its GREAT FUN

I know what I'm missing out on.

I've seen the faces of drug addicts who thought a bit of coke wouldn't do them any harm. That ended up not being enough, and by the time they're sat on a hospital bed with most of their philtrum missing and what's left of their brain dribbling in ooze out of the gap it left, you really have to ask yourself how someone could be so mind-bendingly fucking stupid as to destroy their life that way, not to mention turn their nearest and dearest into neurotic wrecks with worry.

It also doesn't help that a huge percentage of street crime commiting scumbags are druggies seeking to fund their habit. Nearly all of them started out with it being a social thing. They only did it because it helped them relax or get on better at dancing. After a decade or so (if they make it that far) they're pathetic shells who long ago lost the notion of self-respect and view other people only as a means of income. Their drug taking serving no purpose other than to temporarily relieve the agony of withdrawal symptoms.


Losers. Pathetic, brain-dead wankers for even getting started when they had enough cerebral matter intact to have known better. They've cheapened their own lives, destroyed large parts of their bodies and live only to blight other people's.

 

[asutickler]

extary coke puff weed mdma is all great
i do it ever weekend for the past 3 or 4 years
people do not no what they are missing out on its GREAT FUN

This is your brain on drugs...


Any questions?

 

[supler]

extary coke puff weed mdma is all great
i do it ever weekend for the past 3 or 4 years
people do not no what they are missing out on its GREAT FUN

And now just look, you've lost the ability to spell and punctuate.

 

[Ticklish9's]

I know what I'm missing out on.

I've seen the faces of drug addicts who thought a bit of coke wouldn't do them any harm. That ended up not being enough, and by the time they're sat on a hospital bed with most of their philtrum missing and what's left of their brain dribbling in ooze out of the gap it left, you really have to ask yourself how someone could be so mind-bendingly fucking stupid as to destroy their life that way, not to mention turn their nearest and dearest into neurotic wrecks with worry.

Wouldn't it be nice if they could get help for their disease, rather than being thrown in jail?

And I've also seen the faces of the vastly more numerous recreational users who enjoy themselves responsibly and move on.

Alcoholism is real - but alcohol is legal. And alcoholics increasingly have access to the help they deserve.


The problem of undercover cops at raves is uniquely American. Security at a Canadian rave is generally much more concerned with catching weapons than drugs, and will often remove someone with large quantities of drugs without even notfiying the police. The police have even attended a rave I played at in Toronto simply to make sure everyone was safe and being responsible, then left after seeing everyone in capable hands.

 

[Aachen1983]

Whoa!!!!!

Krokus man, take it easy with that E bulls**t man! Look, I am only 21 years old, but let me give you my life rundown on drugs;

14-now Marijuana
16-18 Speed
15- Heroin (ONCE!!!)
16-19 Ecstasy
18- Cocaine (also once, prom night)
14-now Alchohol
16-now Cigarettes
17- Peyote (SADLY only once)

Dude, drugs will fuck you over bro. Be careful with ecstasy all right. I watched my friend Doug die of a heart attack from that shit all right. Don't ever try heroin man, good Lord you will want to die from the withdrawl ok.
Just a warning man, but be careful.