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Feet hanging out the window

He and anyone would be wise not to touch ANYONE without permission.

There isn't anything on this website that grosses me out and pisses me off more than people talking about blatantly, purposefully invading another person's personal space (sometimes a stranger) just so that they can get their rocks off. It is beyond creepy, totally inappropriate and those that do it give those good guys with foot fetishes a bad name.

Show some restraint and, dare I say it? Class!

Why do some people seem to think of even a touch as a complete invasion of private space, an attack?
I've noticed some people seem to even flinch from a touch when somebody taps them on the shoulder because they are occupying a space in a shopping mall if they didn't notice the person and move.
Since when, and why, is a touch such a great attack, invasion?
I was spanked on my ass once by a drunk girl passing through in a student club which works as a night club in the evening, during one such evening. I didn't feel attacked at all, I honestly didn't care much about it. Why should I? It didn't hurt (even if it did, it would have to hurt a whole lot to make me feel bad or pissed about it), I wasn't injured, emotionally scarred. I could argue that her comment was objectifying me as a person and that I found it deeply insulting, but I didn't. I don't feel like an object, even if somebody else feels I do. I could also argue it was sexual assault, and sure as hell it was legally so, but that would just be bullshit. Why is this such a horrible thing, such a horrible invasion? I don't support slapping random women on the ass while passing by, just to make this clear, however I also don't support making a touch a severe violation of personal space. It sounds too harsh.
 
Since when, and why, is a touch such a great attack, invasion?

Because it is. You don't touch total stranger just because you feel like it, period. Especially not to indulge in a fetish.
 
Because it is. You don't touch total stranger just because you feel like it, period. Especially not to indulge in a fetish.

I agree that one should not indulge one's fetish on strangers, it's immoral, however I fail to see how a simple touch can be an attack. "Because it is" isn't an argument, it's a statement of personal preference. You don't like being touched, you say it's an attack. I hope, and doubt, that most would agree with you.
 
I fail to see how a simple touch can be an attack.

It's not an attack - it's an invasion of personal space. And you never know how violated the person who is touched might feel from it.
 
It's not an attack - it's an invasion of personal space. And you never know how violated the person who is touched might feel from it.

It's my opinion that a person of good mental health should not feel violated by a touch (given it's not in the intimate regions, of course, some places are just a no-go. The rest of the text is with that assumption made). People with a strong phobia of being touched are not of good mental health, neither are rape victims and others who have deep trauma associated with unwanted touch, and as such of course would flinch from it and feel violated. But a healthy person with no trauma should not feel violated because there is nothing violating about it. As for the invasion of personal space, I think invasion may be too strong a word. It definitely requires entering the personal space of another, however it can only be considered an invasion if the person does feel violated. (Just like it isn't an invasion if a lot of my countrymen enter your country, but it is if we do it with guns and start killing people).
 
It's my opinion that a person of good mental health should not feel violated by a touch (given it's not in the intimate regions, of course, some places are just a no-go. The rest of the text is with that assumption made). People with a strong phobia of being touched are not of good mental health, neither are rape victims and others who have deep trauma associated with unwanted touch, and as such of course would flinch from it and feel violated. But a healthy person with no trauma should not feel violated because there is nothing violating about it. As for the invasion of personal space, I think invasion may be too strong a word. It definitely requires entering the personal space of another, however it can only be considered an invasion if the person does feel violated. (Just like it isn't an invasion if a lot of my countrymen enter your country, but it is if we do it with guns and start killing people).

I'm sure the arresting officer would love to hear your opinion as he's putting you into the back of his cruiser.
 
You misunderstand what was said, that much is obvious from your comment. Please read again and try to understand I am talking about the simple act of a touch, intended or not, and how it should not be considered a violation or intrusion. If, however, a person were mentally ill and did consider a tap on the shoulder to be an invasion, all I would say to the arresting officer is: "I believe I have the right to a phone call, however I will use said right only in the presence of an attorney and I refuse to speak further."

EDIT: I would also like to point out that what you say is not an argument, but rather a poor attempt to invalidate mine.
 
It's my opinion that a person of good mental health should not feel violated by a touch

Fair enough. So if you touch me and I break your nose, you shouldn't feel violated by that either. Can we agree on that?
 
You misunderstand what was said, that much is obvious from your comment. Please read again and try to understand I am talking about the simple act of a touch, intended or not, and how it should not be considered a violation or intrusion. If, however, a person were mentally ill and did consider a tap on the shoulder to be an invasion, all I would say to the arresting officer is: "I believe I have the right to a phone call, however I will use said right only in the presence of an attorney and I refuse to speak further."

EDIT: I would also like to point out that what you say is not an argument, but rather a poor attempt to invalidate mine.

What should and should not be considered is not up to you, it's what the law says it is, and depending on how far the person you violate wants to push it, few lawyers on Earth are going to be able to help you.
 
Please read again and try to understand I am talking about the simple act of a touch, intended or not, and how it should not be considered a violation or intrusion

We are talking about a deliberate tickling, not an unintented touch or tap on the shoulder.
 
It's my opinion that a person of good mental health should not feel violated by a touch (given it's not in the intimate regions, of course, some places are just a no-go. The rest of the text is with that assumption made). People with a strong phobia of being touched are not of good mental health, neither are rape victims and others who have deep trauma associated with unwanted touch, and as such of course would flinch from it and feel violated. But a healthy person with no trauma should not feel violated because there is nothing violating about it. As for the invasion of personal space, I think invasion may be too strong a word. It definitely requires entering the personal space of another, however it can only be considered an invasion if the person does feel violated. (Just like it isn't an invasion if a lot of my countrymen enter your country, but it is if we do it with guns and start killing people).

It's an invasion because it puts the burden of interpretation and response on the part of a person who wasn't looking for that.

Obviously there are degrees of touch, from patting someone on the shoulder to patting them on the ass, but in all cases physically touching someone is an intrusion because it forces them to deal with you.
 
@Jeff: This is one of the things I find very wrong with people (not aimed at you). The fact that they consider interpretation and response a burden. People seem to want to be robots more and more. Same-old routine every day, not a single change, makes them feel safe. They don't want to THINK. Even the act of having to think is horrible. Let's just call the neighbor or have the service-man do it. Being forced to deal with something is an attack, an intrusion. I find that horrible, to say the least. I'm not an advocate of touching people around, don't get me wrong, but I also cannot agree that touching in general is such a crime as people have made it out to be.

@OnnaOtaku: Don't worry, that is most likely to never happen.
 
I also cannot agree that touching in general is such a crime as people have made it out to be.

This discussion is about a special touch! About tickling someone without knowing them or without them inviting you! That IS an invasion of their personal space, it's not about slightly touching someone saying "excuse me" to get by them!
 
This discussion is about a special touch! About tickling someone without knowing them or without them inviting you! That IS an invasion of their personal space, it's not about slightly touching someone saying "excuse me" to get by them!

Yes, but generalizations about touching are being made throughout the discussion.
 
Yes, but generalizations about touching are being made throughout the discussion.

The thing is: it's everybody's personal right not to be touched, and their personal decision what kind of touch is tolerated and what isn't. So - it is not your place to decide who should tolerate what, there just shouldn't be any uninvited touch by total strangers. That would be my generalization of the topic.
 
@Jeff: This is one of the things I find very wrong with people (not aimed at you). The fact that they consider interpretation and response a burden. People seem to want to be robots more and more. Same-old routine every day, not a single change, makes them feel safe. They don't want to THINK. Even the act of having to think is horrible. Let's just call the neighbor or have the service-man do it. Being forced to deal with something is an attack, an intrusion. I find that horrible, to say the least.


--- Rereading this, I see I used the word "you" a lot. I mean the abstract you, not you personally Prov.



Deciding what to do about a touch is absolutely a burden, that's really not something you can debate and I'll try to illustrate why. It might not be one that you mind personally, but anything you do that forces someone else to deal with you is inherently aggressive. And it doesn't have to be physical contact, it's also about personal space.

If you're walking down the street and I suddenly step into your path, forcing you to either shove me aside or go around me, even though technically I haven't done anything wrong, I've still been very aggressive towards you and forced you to make a decision about my capabilities and intentions.

Same thing if I follow along behind you on the street saying your name over and over again loudly. Technically I'm not assaulting you, and you could certainly just ignore it and go on with your day. But as a practical matter, you probably have to decide if I'm going to escalate to something worse.

Touching someone who doesn't know you does the same thing, it forces them to assess your intentions and capabilities. Especially if you're touching a woman, who probably isn't in a position to defend herself from you if your intentions aren't good. You can't just casually blow off her need to protect herself by judging your likelihood of assaulting her, by saying she's a robot who doesn't want her routine shaken up.

I mean, that's really kind of an outlandish statement you made there.

Physical contact forces someone to deal with you, it takes the choice away from them entirely, and it introduces the possiblity, however small, of a physical confrontation, because the person doing the touching has already stepped outside of the social norms by doing it. The person being touched has a judgement call on their hands, interpreting the touch and what it might mean.

And because it was physical, they do not have the option of ignoring it, the way they might if you just said something rude to them in passing.

That's why it's aggressive and intrusive, because they do not have any choice.

You having a different opinion about it in the privacy of your own head doesn't alter the fact that it's force.

You're forcing them to deal with you, and when you use force on someone, there's only one way to describe it.
 
I didn't mean the personal you either, nor did I think you were aiming at me at any moment (that's why I even added the "not aimed at you" part to make it clear I wasn't targeting you in any way). I don't make it a habit to target people who are using well formatted sentences, correct grammar and valid arguments. =)

I understand a person may feel threatened when somebody large steps in their path, or a girl may feel threatened when a man does so, however that is a personal issue of that person. Some people may be unable to make a decision and feel even more threatened due to that, however the average person should not have any trouble very quickly assessing the capabilities and intentions of that person. Not once has it taken me long enough to decide if a person is a threat or not for me to actually feel threatened due to that.

I agree she has to assess the likelihood of assault, especially against a rather large man (me), however I still believe that it shouldn't take too long to notice I mean no harm (having a relaxed posture, keeping a decent distance, without a mean facial expression, etc.), so I see two options: 1. She is just upset to even have to deal with anything in her routine day, which I find a horrible problem with people nowadays. 2. She has sub-standard abilities of assessment.
In neither case should the person attempting to communicate (not poking, tickling, pushing or some such stuff, just a tap on the shoulder to ask a question or something like that) be seen as a person who is acting aggressively or intruding. I just find that harsh. I do agree that certain acts are aggressive (like blocking a persons path or shoving), however I strongly disagree that a touch in general should be considered aggressive. Innocent until proven guilty, no?

Force is a far too ugly word to use for it, and it's definitely not aggressive. I do agree that it is entering another person's personal space, however I would not call it intrusion, because that is also too harsh. I've yet to feel even slightly attacked or intruded upon by a stranger tapping my shoulder. Annoyed sometimes, sure, when disturbed in the middle of a really good song by a stupid question like "Are you getting out on this stop?" or when somebody shoves a bit in a tram or bus, but far from assaulted and invaded. I just find that far too harsh.

Sooner would I say a person who finds it an attack/intrusion/aggressive act is too insecure then would I judge the person tapping some persons shoulder. But this is a cultural thing as well, as I have heard that people from the US dislike physical contact when compared to people from my region.
 
I personally prefer my feet to be on the dashboard of a car,, but that's just me lol. Only things I usually see hanging out car windows are the heads of dogs and their drool soon follows lol.
 
I agree touching a stranger is never a good idea but most of the women whose feet I tickled did not care. A couple of weeks ago I did this at a convenience store and the lady did not even pull her foot it. She could not have cared a less. Feet tickling is not the hot button topic to everyone like it is to us but I would advise others to not take the chance.
 
I'd be very careful about tickling your coworkers feet as tempting as it might be. Unless you really have a friendly relationship w/this woman you're playing w/fire. I remember it used to be a lot easier to tickle female co-workers, but these days, it's just too risky!
 
one of my favorite things about the summer is this when I am driving but man is it a distraction so watch out
 
If a woman is good looking and puts her feet out a car window, she must want them to be tickled
Why else would she do it? Don't they go to the trouble of getting pedicures and making their feet look sexy because they want someone to tickle them?? The whole reason they're getting the pedicure in the first place is because they like how it tickles to have their soles scrubbed. They like that it makes them laugh and it turns them on. Women want men to tickle them!
 
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