first and only post from marcius...

[Lord Doctor]

Marcius,

I don't recall where I got these stats, but...
About 85% of people globally are messed up, 75% of people cheat in love, and about 60% have some form of sexual fetish (probably more, since most people live in denial of themselves).

A bastard is a bastard and a bitch is a bitch. What causes sexual arousal is in such instances magnificently irrelevant: They would still be bad, only you might not realize it until it was too late and you were trapped in an awful relationship.

You will recover from this just as I will recover from my heartaches: Dumped for a bigger bank balance. How shallow people can be.

Every good luck!

 

[Carsomyr]

me again. and i said i wouldn't be around long!

first all let me say thanks for your comments which were polite for the most part. considering what i said at the end of my story, you've shown great restraint and even empathy. i honestly did not expect feedback since i forgot the purpose of chatrooms. i didn't think anyone other than my lover would bother to finish my story since it was not abot sex or tickling. and i thought i would get a lot more hostility so, again, thanks for all of your posts.

you're right - i know nothing about your site and have not browsed or read anything other than his stories. what i do know is: you have to be over 18 to enter the site, this site is blocked on many servers, when entering the site i was immediately hit with flashing images on both sides of my screen showing naked women tickling and being tickled(why no men?), i also saw a post where someone asked for a story involving itching powder, tickling and i think bondage. i really haven't seen anything to make me think this site is about anything other than tickling for sexual gratification. and isn't that what a fetish is? taking an object or activity that most people take to be non-sexual in nature and making it into a tool for arousal and orgasm? try to step back and see your site from an outsider's perspective. it's all about sex from what i saw.

i'm actually much more okay with words than images. every book i have ever read has had sex scenes. some short. other with lots of detail. some even homosexual since i like to read histrical fiction. i don't mind that he writes stories. i've written a few to him too. and i don't mind too much if he is posting for the general public.

i do mind if he is writing a story for a particular person. to get a certain reaction. and i especially mind if he is having a back and forth discussion about what they would like to do to each other if they were in closer proximity. (remember, that he has those 5 other women in his e-mail connection and one of them lives nearby.) cuz that's on line sex and it's cheating in my book. course we are already cheating so i'm a hypocrite and that's a big part of my problem. i shouldn't have expected a good outcome when i've known all along that what i am doing is wrong.

my husband used porn instead of using me. i would hate to marry this guy and come home hot and horny for him only to find his mo-jo is zapped cuz he masturbated already. that would be exchanging one sexually dissatisfying marriage for another and turning my current world upside down to achieve status quo.

Just for the record, you seem to handle the critique rather well. 🙂 Most people who come on here and start "controversial" threads usually don't last long, because they absolutely freak out as soon as someone disagrees with them. Good on you for wanting to stick to the civilized discourse, I am actually very positively surprised!

I already gave you my 2¢, so I'll try not to repeat myself. But I'd like to comment on a few things:

You are correct in that this definitely is an "adult" themed website as far as the content goes, and I can see why at first glance it would also come off as ONLY that. But if we just disregard all the banners for a minute, since they're only there because it brings in money and helps keep the forum alive... Out of the first 4 forum categories under "Interaction" (I won't count "Chat Room" since that category is locked for posting) only ONE of those is 100% dedicated to tickling. Then I guess the "International Members" forum is 50/50 tickling and other discussions. But notice that the "general discussion" forum has over twice as many threads and over a million more replies than the tickling discussion forum, and even if you exclude the "silly stuff forum" (which is mostly mindless spam) from general discussion, it STILL has twice as many posts. I have no idea if you care or not, but I just want to make it clear that this indeed IS a tightly knit community and not "just all about sex." The kink/fetish is simply what brought us here in the first place; there are people here from all races/cultures/countries, all religions, and all levels of society, and when it comes down to it we're just like any online community where people come together out of a shared "interest". 🙂

The rest I wont comment on since I already stated that I understand why you wouldn't like him to participate in "cyber tickling" or any such activities. As for your previous experience with your husband, I can understand why that makes you concerned. That's what open dialogues are for though; so long as you're clear on what makes you uncomfortable and WHY, then I'm sure there's always a way to work that out.

for those of you on here who say you are born-again and saved, you should read your bibles and go to church more often. and if you read your bibles and attend regularly, you should pay attention. and if you pay attention, then should apply it and be obedient to what it says. being a christian is nothing more than lip service if we are living in defiance and disobedience,. i know, i know - the pot calling the kettle black since i am also being disobedient. the difference? it may not seem like much - but i know i am sinning, i acknowledge my shortfalls and i justify my sin (in error) with hoping God will still bless my sin if i actually married my lover.

This I don't really understand though. Are you suggesting that embracing ones fetish is a sin, or are you suggesting that the church should have exclusive rights on all the "saving"? Maybe I'm missing the point because I'm an atheist, but I don't see why religion has to be applied here. The forum is helping a lot of people feel more comfortable about themselves, and I know for me personally it has improved my life more than anything I have ever done up until now. I have made new friends and grown as a person. Why can't we just accept that for a good thing and leave it at that?

Who's to argue that anyone here is sinning in the first place? Assuming there is a god, I'd much rather look at my kink as a "blessing". And before someone pulls out a bible quote "proving me wrong", let's just keep in mind that "the irrevocable word of god" is redefined and changed basically all the time. If we're going to go by the letter, then according to Exodus 21:7 a man can sell his daughters into slavery. Hmmm... I wonder what might be a reasonable price these days? 😉 You can use religion to either justify or condemn almost anything - same with your current situation. You choose to think that god will "bless your sin" if you just marry this man, but a bible-thumper could just as well claim that your current situation is "god's divine punishment" since you allowed yourself to be tempted by sin in the first place. So can we all just please agree to accept things for what they are, instead of trying to apply religion to it? You don't need a book to decide what is right and what is wrong, that's what common sense is for! 🙂

lover - i've told you i can accept the good, the bad and the ugly. i have plenty of ugly too. what i can't accept is a wall of lies, secrets and deception that would only seperate us and eventually destroy every good thing we have built up. sorry for the public venue for this discussion. it started out as ironic sarcasm but in the end i don't feel it was such a bad idea. and yes, if you are wondering, i still love you.

Random thought, but do you know if he has actually read the thread or not? I mean I personally just read like 5% of the threads in this particular part of the forum, and I'm sure other people just browse most of the threads here as well. Have you heard anything from him, or made him aware of this thread's existence?

 

[Lord Doctor]

^nominated for a doctorate or professorship in philosophical thinking.

 

[BellybTickler]

And the Troll strikes again!!

 

[marcius]

Random thought, but do you know if he has actually read the thread or not? I mean I personally just read like 5% of the threads in this particular part of the forum, and I'm sure other people just browse most of the threads here as well. Have you heard anything from him, or made him aware of this thread's existence?

i was wondering when someone would bring this up - he hasn't been on yet and yes, i told there was a post, but he won't fin either message until he comes to the forum.

i only brought up the religous discussion because someone mentioned members who believe in God. i understand most members won't understand that part of my last post but some will. suffice it to say i do not subscribe to any philosophy that says if something feels good and makes u happy, it must be okay. the apostle paul wrote extensively about this error in his letters (new testament).

gotta jet for work. again, thanks for the discussion.

p.s. - the bible is not just a collection of violent stories. 🙂

 

[drnkntklr]

p.s. - the bible is not just a collection of violent stories. 🙂

You are absolutely right. It also has stories on how to be a better human being/citizen, and discourages judging others lest ye be judged first.

 

[Carsomyr]

i was wondering when someone would bring this up - he hasn't been on yet and yes, i told there was a post, but he won't fin either message until he comes to the forum.

i only brought up the religous discussion because someone mentioned members who believe in God. i understand most members won't understand that part of my last post but some will. suffice it to say i do not subscribe to any philosophy that says if something feels good and makes u happy, it must be okay. the apostle paul wrote extensively about this error in his letters (new testament).

gotta jet for work. again, thanks for the discussion.

I see. All in good time then. 🙂

"If something feels good and makes you happy, it must be okay" seems to me like oversimplifying the philosophy though (just because something "feels good" it doesn't have to feel RIGHT). I'd love to take that discussion with you, but I feel like we're drifting WAY off topic here. 😉 I'll settle with saying this: If there is a god, then he made you the way you are. So long as what you do doesn't hurt anyone else, and so long as it's between two consenting adults, then you haven't strayed from being a good person - and when it comes down to it that has got to be all that matters. 🙂

You are absolutely right. It also has stories on how to be a better human being/citizen, and discourages judging others lest ye be judged first.

...and selling your daughters into slavery!

Fair enough that faith and the bible has helped a lot of people, but personally I think of it as a double-edged sword. It brings some good things to the table, and some bad. The notion that people should deny themselves the happiness of being on a forum like this, for example, just doesn't make any sense to me. Live and let live!

 

[marcius]

You are absolutely right. It also has stories on how to be a better human being/citizen, and discourages judging others lest ye be judged first.

one of the most miused quotes in the bible. you can't take one scripture out of text - if u did so you could justify anything. the bible is a living, breathing referrence book for how to get right with God before u die. you have to study it all and not pick and choose.

to judge someone is to pass sentence - to meet out the just punishment for the crime. only God can do that, not man. Thankfully he also paid the price for us.

scripture also tells us if we find a believer in Christ who is sinning by design we are to confront that person. if they choose to continue to sin, we are to walk away. not judge but disassociate. btw God teaches to love the sinner even while he abhors the sin.

back to my preaching again - can't help it!! you guys won't drop the subject! 🙂

so i guess that means i love you all even though i dislike what you do. and i'm supposed to disassociate but discussion is always good...

 

[Ticklish9's]

If he'll cheat with you, he'll cheat on you. His sleaziness and lying
ways have nothing to do with tickling or being a member of an internet
forum, even a fetish one. There are many men on this forum who would
never act in this way, and again, it has nothing to do with tickling or this
forum, but it's rooted deep in their character.

I know how it feels to fall in love with someone (or at least I thought it was
love at the time) who is "going through a divorce" and then at the last minute
his wife took him back. I was devastated. But I learned from it, and I will never,
ever make that mistake again.

I hope you're able to find that partner who will be proud to call you his own.
Never be somebody's dirty little secret.

This is my number one advice to people getting into these situations. If he'll cheat with you, he'll cheat on you. It's only logical, and it's not worth the inevitable heartache.

 

[ChicagoDavid]

Marcius,

Please stop preaching bible. You've committed adultery and encouraged another to commit adultery. Remember the Ten Commandments? I'm pretty sure there was no exception that said, "but it's okay if you marry the guy later."

I'm not judging you for that, or even criticizing you for it. Rather, I'm saying that it's absurd for you to tell us all that we're sinners for visiting TMF and participating in a discussion forum. I'm sure you can find something in the bible that you can construe as prohibiting that, but you'll find nothing as direct as the prohibition against your own conduct.

And lest you claim that you are now "repentent," the conclusion of your original posting was about how you want to go back to more acts of adultery.

 

[drnkntklr]

...and selling your daughters into slavery!

:

You are absolutely right. As far as picking and choosing what the bible says, I think you yourself are doing that. As someone else pointed out, adultery is a sin too.

 

[mabus]

everyone's response has been very, very nice, but i think that this person is semi-delusional and is really out of touch with reality and support is not what she needs. she needs reality. this is a list of what she has recently done: 1) thinking men don't look at pornography; 2) thinking her saying anything to him would change his behavior (what world does she live in?); 3) dating a married man (good move); 4) looking outside herself for an answer ("we are both in gods hands"? please); 5) posting an anti-tickling/anti-porn message on a tickling website in some sick attempt to get back those who "hurt" her, when the people here have done nothing to promote her foolish and self-destructive decisions, etc.

take some personal responsibility for your decisions, and stop blaming them on other people. if you are serious about helping yourself, you need to go to therapy.

your moral viewpoints have no place anywhere but in the general discussion forum. also, before you start having a pity party for yourself, you should do some non-religious philosophical readings--it might help you to know that people have been thinking about this stuff for a while. check out victor frankl's "man's search for meaning."

i do not mean to offend you. but this is just so typical of so many people today; blaming everyone but themselves for their problems.

The more I read, the more I think cardman hit the nail on the head and pounded it in the board! I agree with everything he said and then some.

Marcius, you may have to really, really look at yourself, after dumping this poor guy. What kind of person are you? You won't be able to tell us, because it'll either be wonderful, or you'll say your imperfect and in the same sentence tear your guy down....I'm putting up with that shit in MY life - "I'm not perfect, BUT...(then they proceed to descibe how better than everyone else, or a particular person, they are, for 40 damn minutes)"

You may be a controlling person who wants to box her guy in, and will always find some excuse to rip him, while igoring your own flaws. Like when the man has an affair, he's a disgusting, sinful pig, but when the woman has one, she's "Just looking for love....." And again, you won't know if you are a controlling person, it'll take someone outside of yourself. Every controlling person I know, and dear GOD I know some! have a thousand reasons or excuses to defend themselves. But their significant other is miserable....BUT the controlling person will say "NO, he or she is TOTALLY satisfied with life.." on and on and on. This crap can go in circles on top of circles.

If I was dating, or married to a girl who wanted to fully immerse her self here, I'd be in hog heaven! I'd obviously ask her to just have sex with me, and I, on the other hand, would just have sex with here, since there's two sides to every relationship....and then I'd pay for her internet!!

Because if I don't box her in, she doesn't become frustrated and angry and bitter and resentful, and doesn't do it behind my back and hide things. Which builds into more and more resentment, until she either leaves pissed off, or does have an affair. On the other hand, I give her freedom, and I enjoy wild, joyful sex and tickling with her, because she is free to love me and is not hiding any bitterness and resentment. Free people are happy people.

I'm a spiritual guy, but won't bother arguing religion. That conversation goes in circles upon circles. I just know that Jesus hung around prostitues and *****s and tax collectors (who were like Bernie Maddoff, not your neighborhood tax collector doing his job. They skimmed the pot.) and lepers and ......we say this things, but there's a huge disconnect...NO, REALLY, JESUS HUNG AROUND PROSTITUTES AND *****S AND SINNERS......HE'D BE ATTENDING NEST, DAMMIT!!! If He returned today....YEP, He would be killed again, and probably faster this time, by a raving, foaming-at-the-mouth screaming mob of evangelicals and "righteous" Bible thumpers.

So I hope you do some soul searching and find some answers.....I don't know what else to say, the people in my life who are the controlling types don't do soul searching, they're too busy judging their fellow man, so this is a tough one.

 

[marcius]

Marcius,

Please stop preaching bible. You've committed adultery and encouraged another to commit adultery. Remember the Ten Commandments? I'm pretty sure there was no exception that said, "but it's okay if you marry the guy later."

I'm not judging you for that, or even criticizing you for it. Rather, I'm saying that it's absurd for you to tell us all that we're sinners for visiting TMF and participating in a discussion forum. I'm sure you can find something in the bible that you can construe as prohibiting that, but you'll find nothing as direct as the prohibition against your own conduct.

And lest you claim that you are now "repentent," the conclusion of your original posting was about how you want to go back to more acts of adultery.

🙂 🙂

I KNOW, I KNOW, I KNOW!!

geez, people, how many times can i say it-- i got what i deserved, my actions were wrong and still are!!! i'm a sinner too and not just for my affair but for millions of things i have done in my 40 years and will continue to do.

i know i am coming off like an alien from another plant with my evangelical christian views but it's who i am. can't you all accept my biases and viewpoints?? gotcha!! ha-ha! 🙂

hey, no offense taken, i'm glad you are continuing to read, glad that we are discussing these issues and if only a few people are truly reached that's okay.

 

[marcius]

oh - and david committed adultery with batsheba, had her husband killed an the married her. God was pissed and yheir first son died but another son, soloman, became the wisest king israel ever had, he even wote Proverbs and Jeses was born into the david/bathsheba bloodline. i'm no david but God can take lemons and make lemonade! 🙂

 

[rhiannon]

Personally I think if God really watches us then he has way bigger problems than caring about who committed adultery with whom!

But back to topic: Maybe it is somewhere in this thread and I just overlooked it, but I have a question: What exactly did you expect from that guy?

 

[JS805]

4/24/10: The day tickling went too far.

But seriously marcius...you need to ask yourself one question. Would you let me tickle you? Call me if you're interested! 🙂

 

[marcius]

Personally I think if God really watches us then he has way bigger problems than caring about who committed adultery with whom!

actually - he's not a voyeur like you imply, he doesn't have to spy, he's God. you know, omnipotence (not impotence - see, i know where u wisecrackers will take my comments!). if he knows how many hairs you have on your head (no wise cracks from bald people!) then he knows what you do and what you think. and yes, he cares about that stuff cuz he knows the endgame. 🙂

But back to topic: Maybe it is somewhere in this thread and I just overlooked it, but I have a question: What exactly did you expect from that guy?

what did i want? honesty and openess. not secrets and sneaking around. my dad had some serious hidden issues too. if my lover had told me more early on, i wouldn't have had to snooping. just felt like i was being stalled with incomplete answers.

 

[marcius]

oh so many posts to respond to but i don't know how to pull in more than one quote at a time. so bear with me on my referrences....

yes, Jesus talked with, ate with and associated with some people whom the religous establishment of his day considered the dregs of society. and yes, if he were here today, he'd visit the crachouses, strret slums, *****houses, and prisons. but not to just hang out and have a good time. and he wouldn't condone the sin. he'd be telling them life can be better than this if they seek God in their hearts. He told the adulterous woman at the well that the water (sin) she was drinking would never satisfy her thirst but the love of God could. he told her to go and sin no more (don't say it - i know you want to but we've been there already! 🙂 )

i don't need therapy - i'm perfect right? right?? ha-ha

but seriously, therapy is to help people understand their feelings, action and motivations. i think i have lived enough on this twirling ball to have figured most of that out. i would never accept advice from a therapist who tol me all men look at porn and that's perfectly okay. i think both those statements are false.

am i control freak? on some things. i don't need to control every aspect of his life. i do want really open communication especially about sex. intimacy and the sex that is part of it makes up about 70 percent of a successful relationship in my opinion. i want some control, who doesn't since complete lack of control about how, when and what means you are completely under someone's thumbs. even sadists are really in control since abuse is what the want. do i want to treat him like a 3 year old and make all of his choices for him? heck no. i want him to lead as long as it's in a general good path.

think i've answered everthing for now.

i'm glad i've come on here. i haven't browsed anything other than this thread but i am more comfortable. yes, i have a fear of the unknown and thing i don't understand. i'm scared of the dark too. 🙂

oh, and to that guy (hope it was a guy cuz i'm not gay either) who want to tickle me --- um, no. 🙂

 

[rhiannon]

what did i want? honesty and openess. not secrets and sneaking around. my dad had some serious hidden issues too. if my lover had told me more early on, i wouldn't have had to snooping. just felt like i was being stalled with incomplete answers.

I don't know, but that might be too much to ask of a guy who is cheating on someone with you. You already know right then and there he can't be a very honest person!

 

[dj_hisp]

" Every time you are here, you are stealing from them. You are hurting the person you supposedly love, whether they know what you do or not. You are debasing yourself into an object for someone else’s sexual gratification. You are selling yourselves and you're going cheap."

Thats total nonsense. You need to get a life and not blow things out of proportion. Men are always going to want to jack off to things other than their wives. You need a reality check and come out of your romcom fantasy. The quicker you accept this and become comfortable then the quicker you can get inside a mans head and find peace with each other.

 

[Carsomyr]

You are absolutely right. As far as picking and choosing what the bible says, I think you yourself are doing that. As someone else pointed out, adultery is a sin too.

And that was EXACTLY my point! Reading the Bible is basically a cherry picking contest these days, so I'm just as well off interpreting it for myself than to let some self-proclaimed "holy man" do it for me. They are just as clueless as someone who hasn't even read the Bible in the first place!

And I don't care if the Bible says that adultery is a sin or not, because again, I can tell simply by using my common sense; an ability which God - if he exists - surely gave us for a reason.

i know i am coming off like an alien from another plant with my evangelical christian views but it's who i am. can't you all accept my biases and viewpoints?? gotcha!! ha-ha! 🙂

Well, a lot of people on this forum are religious too, and I'm sure a lot of them are devoted Christians. In fact, there has been threads discussing the whole faith aspect before.

I think if you feel you are getting some overly negative replies it's probably because, well, even though your views aren't too alien to most people here, I think we kinda assume that you come on and preach without having any personal knowledge of what it's like to have a fetish. To flip the coin, I don't think anyone here goes onto Christian forums and claim that the members there are in any way wrong/ignorant/immoral/etc. People tend to get defensive when they feel that someone is judging them "from the outside." 🙂

As for the whole "this is who I am", I see what you're try to say since you shouldn't really judge people if you yourself have a tickling fetish (of all things!), but let me say this: Religious views are far more of a choice than one's sexuality. If you want us to "stop sinning", then maybe I could get you to read a couple of pages from the Edda? Ásatrú is making a comeback these days, I hear! 😉 😛

but seriously, therapy is to help people understand their feelings, action and motivations. i think i have lived enough on this twirling ball to have figured most of that out.

I don't think you're ever too old to learn something new, either about yourself or others. 🙂 But it's a choice you have to make for yourself.

i'm glad i've come on here. i haven't browsed anything other than this thread but i am more comfortable. yes, i have a fear of the unknown and thing i don't understand.

That's good to hear! Like I said earlier, this forum is no different from any other online community. I guess personally I think it's a lot friendlier than any other forum I've been on, but that's just my personal opinion. 🙂

 

[Scouse]

Tbh
Tickle porn > Whiney volunteer chick.

 

[dj_hisp]

Tbh
Tickle porn > Whiney volunteer chick.

Hahaha. I like your sense of humour.

 

[drnkntklr]

And that was EXACTLY my point! Reading the Bible is basically a cherry picking contest these days, so I'm just as well off interpreting it for myself than to let some self-proclaimed "holy man" do it for me. They are just as clueless as someone who hasn't even read the Bible in the first place!

And I don't care if the Bible says that adultery is a sin or not, because again, I can tell simply by using my common sense; an ability which God - if he exists - surely gave us for a reason.

Yeah sorry, I don't know if it sounded like I was accusing you of cherry picking, I was agreeing with you on that post. I meant to say that I agree with you and that Macius herself was cherry picking, I just worded it in a very awkward manner. I also agree that whether a book outlines something as a "sin", if you have common sense you can determine whether or not it is correct to do that in the first place without having to be religious. Once again, I apologize for the awkward wording of my previous post.