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I posted a suggestion in the suggestions sub-forum that we should make the Celebrations Subforum into a Celebration and Support sub-forum.
That way if it is under the main heading of General Discussion, it can and probably will be discussed...if it is in the Celebration & Support (if they so deem it) then it is understood in that area there is no discussion.

I understand where you are coming from Mondy, but there general rule is that this main area is "This forum is specifically here for discussion of any matters or topics that are NOT tickling related."

It says discussion. Straying off topic to me (not putting words into Myriad's intent on that rule) is that if someone posts about "Support for my broken tricycle" people should not post "Hey, here is a great recipe for homemade lasagna" or post silly pictures and fellow posters start flirting which each other. Asking "How did your tricycle break, or hey I can help fix it, or even why don't you just fix the tricycle" in my opinion is not going off topic.

In fact would not asking people not post their opinions in a thread in itself be a violation of that rule? Its more off topic than putting in your opinion (unwanted or otherwise) into a thread?

Go check out this thread...and discuss it, I do not want to stray your thread off-topic but thought perhaps we can all as adults come to a reasonable conclusion.
http://www.ticklingforum.com/showthread.php?p=2289755#post2289755

I personally think we are all making too much out of this issue.

Rob

I think Rob has proposed a great constructive solution to the problem that will satisfy everyone. Why don't we talk about that and move on?

What do people think about changing the 'Celebration' subforum to 'Celebration & support' or having a separate subforum 'Support' where it's understood that we just give support there, yet if someone posts in 'General discussion' we should expect a general discussion?
 
It's a simple question of the one's ability to follow the instructions laid out in the OP. Someone posts an issue, states he's made his choice, and asks for support and support only. For me, it's easy to draw a parallel between that and Myriad's weekly picture challenge threads. Those rules are simple. Post a picture of the chosen topic, and don't post a reply if you're not posting a picture. Plain and simple. People don't seem to struggle (too much) following those rules.
I had not thought of that, and it seems to be a good example. I think I can see where you are going here and you seem to have given a good example about a thread with specific directions and them being followed.

People don't go on tangents about this picture or that picture or how a picture could have been made better.
Here is the gray area though Skippy....people will and do post comments on the pictures. They are disucussing the pictures posted as well as posting one of their own.

Lmao funny funny! You kids and your hats!!
This was posted in response to your picture posted there in fact. They discussed your picture. Was that wrong? No, because they posted a picture of their own and I think the general idea is to look at pics, post your own and then have fun discussing and interacting with other members.



Deciding to end a marriage is a hell of a lot different than a busted
bike. If you're going to compare, at least do it fairly.
Agreed. It is a lot different, you and I both know that. I could have put something different, but while the topic is a lot different, the basic concept to me is still the same. But if you need a better comparison lets take "I have made a decision to get radiation therapy for my condition, I need support". If I made a post like that, I would not see people telling me how dangerous it is and to be careful, get a second opinion, try natural remedies as being off topic. They merely want to convey thoughts and may actually have some insight. But if they posted a youtube link to a man getting hit in face with a snowball....that would be off topic. Or if they asked someone that responded to me on a date or to join them on the goodship lollypop.

I agree with you regarding the support forum.
Thank you. I think the logic for it is solid, just some of the reasoning on where and such perhaps can be debated.

If you read the thread Knot posted, you'll see the total derailment, where people are picking apart one another's posts. That's unacceptable, and
uncalled for, regardless of how you want to twist around the GR.
I did. In fact I posted, my opinion that was not in line with a lot of peoples. But I agree that I see more people posting in there about the right to post than on the actual topic after a while. That was a problem. If people think a post is off-topic or wrong to be in a thread, report it and let the mods decide. I will always abide by whatever they say.

We had another user not too long ago make a thread seeking support and that's exactly what we gave him. He also later came back and asked for advice and we did the same for that member as well. -- We seem to have a habit of picking and choosing which threads we feel fall into the "Support and no discussion" and "Support and discuss" areas. It also seems like we do the same thing with "THIS IS GENERAL DISCUSSION!!11"
Yes Jo, I remember that. But there were a few that also posted opinions and questions. Not everything was only support. And yes it did not erupt into this current state, but I think the effects have carried over for some that posted their opinons and were to a degree put down. But I 100% agree that people have habits of picking and choosing. I feel, as I always have if its in General Discussion, it should be able to be discussed. That is my thought on it, but if it is not the case then it is my fault for not understanding that. Perhaps it needs to be made clear by a mod, perhaps a sticky for a week or something to remind people, or add it to the rules of posting in the welcome area and make it clear about "Ownership of a thread", in fact there may have been something like that posted recently...I just can not remember it. And it may even clear things up. I will try looking for it after I post this, or perhaps Jo you already know where it is and can shoot me the link.

Aside all that, I think Rob's idea for a "Support Area" is a good idea and one we should all lend an opinion towards.
Thanks Jo. Like I said to Mondy, I think the idea is solid, but needs perhaps some tweaking on the where and such.

You can't start moderating everything and telling people what they can and cannot say and where they can or cannot say it, before it becomes a tyrannous system of control. I've said it before, its a PUBLIC forum, don't post if you don't want opinions. Its what our nature is made up of.
Yes for the most part people should be able to self-moderate. But sometimes people forget tact. You can post your opinion and be supportive at the same time. Sometimes it is a fine line, but its not that hard to find.

Now you have something to complian about ...
Damn right I do. You took my joke and ran to far with it. GIVE IT BACK!!


Rob
 
The thread was done by 70. Which takes any weight of it's message completely out of the thread for me personally, Rob. I'm sure others would be interested no doubt, but I'm not linking it. 🙂

Search function working decently though!
 
If this was a big to-do about a thread about baking or building or something other that isn't based off a lot of solid emotional intent, then I'd agree with you. But like I said, some people are emotionally invested into certain things that they say or read and that should at least be taken into consideration. If a bunch of people are shouting "support only!" and the others are shouting "but I've got an opinion!" then there needs to be at least a little give and take.

Create a new thread about the discussion and keep the support where it was desired/requested, and so on and so forth.
This issue has gone far beyond posting propriety IMHO; we’re now into the subject of what is analogous to the forum version of condo-commandos. For some reason a small group of nannies here have appointed themselves the title of “thread referee”, whereas a quick review of their posting history would reveal numerous infractions of the type they accuse others of committing.

Coming to the aid of one of your TMF darlings is very noble, but in this case, unnecessary and misguided. As discussed in other threads, your post count, gatherings attendance, and friends list doesn’t afford you any special privileges on the forum. Let the moderators steer the ship; they’ve done a bang-up job thus far, as did the one in the thread in question.
 
Here is the gray area though Skippy....people will and do post comments on the pictures. They are disucussing the pictures posted as well as posting one of their own.

This was posted in response to your picture posted there in fact. They discussed your picture. Was that wrong? No, because they posted a picture of their own and I think the general idea is to look at pics, post your own and then have fun discussing and interacting with other members.

Not at all. That poster followed the guidelines that the OP laid out. He posted a picture AND a comment. No one asked him not to do that.

You're right about the general idea of that thread. The general idea of this thread was for people to offer KIND words of support. Venray, for example, offered his support and a friendly piece of advice, that Knot make sure that he talks this through with his wife and tries to come to a workable compromise before ending the marriage. No one said anything about that. It wasn't 100% blind support, but because the advice was offered in a friendly and supportive way and not, "Hey welcome to real world, bucko - way to be an idiot and pick a forum over your daughter" That is the crap I think most of us are talking about when we say opinions and "advice" like that was not welcome or appropriate.
 
This issue has gone far beyond posting propriety IMHO; we’re now into the subject of what is analogous to the forum version of condo-commandos. For some reason a small group of nannies here have appointed themselves the title of “thread referee”, whereas a quick review of their posting history would reveal numerous infractions of the type they accuse others of committing.

Coming to the aid of one of your TMF darlings is very noble, but in this case, unnecessary and misguided. As discussed in other threads, your post count, gatherings attendance, and friends list doesn’t afford you any special privileges on the forum. Let the moderators steer the ship; they’ve done a bang-up job thus far, as did the one in the thread in question.

I think people should care less about what people they don't know have to say.
 

Create a new thread about the discussion and keep the support where it was desired/requested, and so on and so forth.

The only problem I have with that Jo, is that some ultra sensitive types may call that person a "troll" or get upset that someone created a thread about their situation. They may say, just because you can't post what you want, you have to start a new one...bad bad!!

I have seen it in the past. I know people always give that option, but it seems to always derail into some kind of dueling threads. And then what if people opinions are not wanted in that thread. Then they make one express their dislike of that thread. Then someone posts a "parody thread", then a second...next thing you know we have 10 threads all discussing the same thing, just all sides of it.

Rob
 
Coming to the aid of one of your TMF darlings is very noble, but in this case, unnecessary and misguided. As discussed in other threads, your post count, gatherings attendance, and friends list doesn’t afford you any special privileges on the forum. Let the moderators steer the ship; they’ve done a bang-up job thus far, as did the one in the thread in question.

I understand this. But it's only natural for friends to want to help out their friends. This is shown even away from the forum, surely you know this. -- I really think that the only time a Moderator will really step in is if it's requested or if it's looking to be thrown into a flame-war. Luckily none of that has happened. We're not the type of community that needs a Moderator to constantly baby-sit us and because of that, we don't have it, only unless things get way too bent out of hand.

But stating the things that you are stating is only further fueling this into being a "clique" thing, when it's not. You're refusing to see that it's a array of different reasons and not one of them being about thread stats, post counts or gathering attendances. You're pulling that out and throwing it around on your own and that's not exactly fair because you're basically claiming that anyone who doesn't agree with you is simply a part of a clique or THE clique or whatever. The only reason why it seems it's gotten out of hand is because now we're dealing with on topic discussion and accusations of clique mentality.
 
The only problem I have with that Jo, is that some ultra sensitive types may call that person a "troll" or get upset that someone created a thread about their situation. They may say, just because you can't post what you want, you have to start a new one...bad bad!!

I have seen it in the past. I know people always give that option, but it seems to always derail into some kind of dueling threads. And then what if people opinions are not wanted in that thread. Then they make one express their dislike of that thread. Then someone posts a "parody thread", then a second...next thing you know we have 10 threads all discussing the same thing, just all sides of it.

Rob

And that's when moderation steps in. When it becomes a childish game instead of adults taking the proper steps to respect the OP and/or situation and other jack-asses feel the need to blow it our of proportion. I almost pulled a thread off topic in TK dis, so I brought it to GenDis and nothing bad came of it. There was discussion, people exhausted their opinions and the thread died. So that proves that this is just as possible of happening as the latter. Everything is contextual and assuming just because one thing happened a few times so it just shouldn't even be attempted is wrong.
 
Personally, I think everyone needs to remove the stick from their asses and offer him support like he asked for. If your gunna start shit or argue with people, go fucking play in traffic cause your an asshole anyway.


Sorry, that's just how I feel.. If I offended you oh-fucking-well. However, I would like to thank the one's that stayed on topic and continued to offer support even if you didn't care for his decision.
 
This issue has gone far beyond posting propriety IMHO; we’re now into the subject of what is analogous to the forum version of condo-commandos. For some reason a small group of nannies here have appointed themselves the title of “thread referee”, whereas a quick review of their posting history would reveal numerous infractions of the type they accuse others of committing.

Coming to the aid of one of your TMF darlings is very noble, but in this case, unnecessary and misguided. As discussed in other threads, your post count, gatherings attendance, and friends list doesn’t afford you any special privileges on the forum. Let the moderators steer the ship; they’ve done a bang-up job thus far, as did the one in the thread in question.

Tony, I do not think anyone is trying to be a "thread referee". They merely are stating what they believe the rules are. We all interpet things differently. And many times the mods feel since we are all adults we should be able to police ourselves. We can have disagreements (as evident here as I am good friends with several people here I disagree with) but with those disagreements we can get a better understanding of how a forum ebbs and flows. Throwing past transgressions around, accusing, name calling, and such are not necessary and usually done for shock value or to provoke more responses of the same. It is just as easy to state an opinion (which I have disagreeing) with tact, as it is to be rude and state an opinion.

We should be able to discuss things without them breaking into attacks.

Rob
 
I don't honestly see what the difference is in posting it in the thread or out of thread. Unless it is on a seperate forum you're gonna run into it all the same. If I posted "I"m leaving my wife for *insert reason* please don't post anything but support) and the next post up (or even 2 or 3 up) is a topic devoted to discussing my post... I'd debate whether I actually accomplished my goal or not.

In this case I agree with making a new topic simply because this has absolutely nothing to do with the thread at hand. It only so happens the thread at hand is a really good example of a point she wanted to make, but in other cases I would consider it slightly immature to simply move to a new thread in order to say your peace without getting moderated. Sort of like using a loophole to a rule to do the same thing.

Absolutely. Like I said, everything is contextual. I'm not stating that this should be applied to every and any thread that potentially strays away from the OP, if that were the cause, our thread making would increase ten-fold then we'd *REALLY* have a massive clique issue on our hands 🙂rolleyes🙂

But a topic like the one we're discussing here, it seems like it has merit. It's been done a ton of times before, why not in this case either? What makes it so different then all the other ones we've spawned alternate threads off of? 😕

I personally think it would keep the balance in place of those who want to turn it into a great discussion and those who just want to offer a few kind words of support. :holdinghands:
 
Tony, I do not think anyone is trying to be a "thread referee". They merely are stating what they believe the rules are. We all interpet things differently. And many times the mods feel since we are all adults we should be able to police ourselves. We can have disagreements (as evident here as I am good friends with several people here I disagree with) but with those disagreements we can get a better understanding of how a forum ebbs and flows. Throwing past transgressions around, accusing, name calling, and such are not necessary and usually done for shock value or to provoke more responses of the same. It is just as easy to state an opinion (which I have disagreeing) with tact, as it is to be rude and state an opinion.

We should be able to discuss things without them breaking into attacks.

Rob
You're illustrating my point exactly, Rob. You not only offered your opinion, but an opinion that he was making the wrong choice, and yet nobody jumped on you or got angry at you. Do you know why that is? Because you know how conduct yourself with tact and decorum, and communicate your points respectfully. That is all anyone has ever asked for. "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything" does not mean blindly agree. It means present yourself and what you have to say in a polite and adult way...something ALOT of people here have struggled with this time around.
 
I don't think anyone is saying people don't have a right to post what they want to on a given topic, they do under the general rules of the forum as several people have said, I think it's a softer appeal to be kind and supportive when a fellow member asks for support; it seems to be an appeal to kindness, not so much an appeal to the rules, yes?
 
And that's when moderation steps in. When it becomes a childish game instead of adults taking the proper steps to respect the OP and/or situation and other jack-asses feel the need to blow it our of proportion. I almost pulled a thread off topic in TK dis, so I brought it to GenDis and nothing bad came of it. There was discussion, people exhausted their opinions and the thread died. So that proves that this is just as possible of happening as the latter. Everything is contextual and assuming just because one thing happened a few times so it just shouldn't even be attempted is wrong.

I agree that just because something erupted in the past is no reason not to do it is not right. But I just wanted to lay it out there, because it has happened in the past and there can be a lot of ill-will after and it can linger for a while.

There are certainly many times you can off-shoot a thread for another one discussing elements of it, but when it comes to sensitive subjects people have a funny way of reacting and things can sprial out of control quickly, and then the mods have to come in, when if we can all just discuss and understand each others POV's then we would not have the mods cleaning things up.

Rob
 
This issue has gone far beyond posting propriety IMHO; we’re now into the subject of what is analogous to the forum version of condo-commandos. For some reason a small group of nannies here have appointed themselves the title of “thread referee”, whereas a quick review of their posting history would reveal numerous infractions of the type they accuse others of committing.

Coming to the aid of one of your TMF darlings is very noble, but in this case, unnecessary and misguided. As discussed in other threads, your post count, gatherings attendance, and friends list doesn’t afford you any special privileges on the forum. Let the moderators steer the ship; they’ve done a bang-up job thus far, as did the one in the thread in question.


ILY so hard right now TonyInMyThroat :bubbleheart: Very well said. And very true. The OP has far too many personal issues in her life to be so worried about how people respond to threads. I don`t need busy bodies telling me how to post.
 
ILY so hard right now TonyInMyThroat :bubbleheart: Very well said. And very true. The OP has far too many personal issues in her life to be so worried about how people respond to threads. I don`t need busy bodies telling me how to post.
Two witty and well-thought-out zingers one post!! Might be a new record for you! :hmm:
 
You're illustrating my point exactly, Rob. You not only offered your opinion, but an opinion that he was making the wrong choice, and yet nobody jumped on you or got angry at you. Do you know why that is? Because you know how conduct yourself with tact and decorum, and communicate your points respectfully. That is all anyone has ever asked for. "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything" does not mean blindly agree. It means present yourself and what you have to say in a polite and adult way...something ALOT of people here have struggled with this time around.

I still don't get why people who don't know him post in that thread. I didn't do so because i don't know him really and the words of a complete stranger don't pack any punch. Saying "Whoopteedoo, I just rode a donkey in the hullaballoo" would have as much meaning in my opinion as telling him I care. If you don't know the person it's like caring about the poor starving children in Africa.

So, to summarize, just join my new clique.
 
Many just dont get it.....If someone specifically asked for support because their mom died would you offer up the pros and cons of cremation?

It is easy to jump in with an opinion or advice where none is asked for but it is nobody's "right" to do so.....

The biggest problem in that thread was that once the advice was given and folks were asked to stop, it became a battle over "I dont HAVE to stop" if I dont want to....

No you didnt have to, but it would have been the right thing to do...arguing "rights" with others, cussing folks out, and posting in anger were the things that were wrong, uncivil, and totally unecessary for what the OP was looking for...and those of us that bothered aguing back were just as wrong as it just gave fodder for those who really didnt care what Knot was going through. They just wanted a good argument....

One post said many should be ashamed......many should feel that way but not the way he meant it....
 
ILY so hard right now TonyInMyThroat :bubbleheart: Very well said. And very true. The OP has far too many personal issues in her life to be so worried about how people respond to threads. I don`t need busy bodies telling me how to post.

See, you guys are throwing insults and assumptions of clique behavior, but yet you're acting as if you two are a part of something also. -- Neither of you are giving anyone a chance to disagree with either of you and when it's done, no matter what the type, it gets ripped at and made fun of. You both are older then the people that you're throwing scorn towards and should know better. I like you a lot, unclebill, but why do you have to feel like this is just some clique thing? It's never even gone that far yet. And, not like it matters, but I'm not as close to Knot as someone like Skip is and even I was agreeing with the request to keep it just as support only.
 
But stating the things that you are stating is only further fueling this into being a "clique" thing, when it's not. You're refusing to see that it's a array of different reasons and not one of them being about thread stats, post counts or gathering attendances. You're pulling that out and throwing it around on your own and that's not exactly fair because you're basically claiming that anyone who doesn't agree with you is simply a part of a clique or THE clique or whatever. The only reason why it seems it's gotten out of hand is because now we're dealing with on topic discussion and accusations of clique mentality.
Sorry Jo but I see it differently. I see an entitlement mentality by some around here who feel their version of forum etiquette should be the lay of the land. And yes, that’s my opinion; are you prepared to tell me I’m not entitled to that (though I doubt I’m alone)?

I also feel too many people take this activity too seriously, as if there’s life & death decisions being made based on what’s posted here, so my responses generally have a lighter tone to them. Sometimes in bad taste? Perhaps. But again, that’s for the moderators, not the wannabe-mod-squad to decide.
 
You're illustrating my point exactly, Rob. You not only offered your opinion, but an opinion that he was making the wrong choice, and yet nobody jumped on you or got angry at you. Do you know why that is? Because you know how conduct yourself with tact and decorum, and communicate your points respectfully. That is all anyone has ever asked for. "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything" does not mean blindly agree. It means present yourself and what you have to say in a polite and adult way...something ALOT of people here have struggled with this time around.

And to me this is the way it should be. But unfotunately not everyone has the same idea on what tact is. Some people believe in brutal honesty, some people sugar coat. I take both into account and respond accordingly. Also, re-reading that thread...I noticed he did ask a question. Which is also when I responded. He asked an open question, so in looking back my response was to a question he asked not just giving an opinion on the whole subject. So even there there was a question that opened up that may have opened the thread to more responses.

but please tell me how it is acceptable for someone to give another human being an ultimatum regarding friendships?
To me, this changes the thread from support to asking a question. Perhaps I read into it too much, but to me that is how I precieve it. When Knot posted that, I felt compelled to respond (tactfully) because he opened up a discussion when he asked that question.

Rob
 
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