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God tapped out?
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MrMacphisto
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That's pretty weird... lol... Which book of the Bible is that from?
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Its important to note however that God had Jacob destined for greateness. Those passages are meant to show Jacob's faith that God would bless him. Its not so much a literal thing as it is figurative in its meaning and underlying messege. While it did actually transpire, its not to say that God would "tap out" to anyone. He was merely testing Jacob and his faith, and Jacob passed.
Also, while Jacob said "I have seen God face to face", it doesn't necessarily mean it was God Himself whom he wrestled, but quite possibly and rather an angel whom He sent. Because of their divine nature and appearance it would be easy to mistake such glory for God Himself. It is only ever God when He says so or it is very apparent, and those passages (depending on which version of the Bible you are reading) tend to be in bold or red type.
Of course however, I can see the joke as a wrestling fan myself. Thanks for sharing. 🙂
Also, while Jacob said "I have seen God face to face", it doesn't necessarily mean it was God Himself whom he wrestled, but quite possibly and rather an angel whom He sent. Because of their divine nature and appearance it would be easy to mistake such glory for God Himself. It is only ever God when He says so or it is very apparent, and those passages (depending on which version of the Bible you are reading) tend to be in bold or red type.
Of course however, I can see the joke as a wrestling fan myself. Thanks for sharing. 🙂
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Apparently, after doing some net research on it before posting it here, it is something that people debate as far as whether it's literal or figurative in nature. The Bible that I read it out of actually said he wrestled with God, and that the name Israel meant "Man who struggles with God". I've seen some other places on the net that said it means, "Prince of God". I think there's probably some difficulty in translating words from the original language and finding a decent English equivalent. I think it's also interesting, considering Israel's role in the world today. It's basically bordered by enemies, and it seems throughout history, everytime someone attacked Israel, Israel beat their asses. I had to do some reseach on the IDF (Israel Defense Force) while I was on ship. Their military intrigues me a little bit.
MrMacphisto, the particular passage is Genesis 32.
The whole thing is also funny, to me, because it just happens out of nowhere. One minute, Jacob's getting his family across a river, and the next, he's wrestling all night. Did God jump him or something? I could just picture it. I mean, c'mon. God even tried a cheap shot by crippling him with his divine touch!
MrMacphisto, the particular passage is Genesis 32.
The whole thing is also funny, to me, because it just happens out of nowhere. One minute, Jacob's getting his family across a river, and the next, he's wrestling all night. Did God jump him or something? I could just picture it. I mean, c'mon. God even tried a cheap shot by crippling him with his divine touch!
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Yes, very good points to make. 🙂
Whenever I hear this passage used in the gospel portion of the priest's homily it has been re-transliterated apparently and can can mean either Jacob wrestled God literally or he wrestled a representative of God- an angel.
God is the Supreme. He would not lose to a mortal in any way unless it was on purpose. And on that basis its easier to believe (not to mention more realistic) for the "man" to have been an angel.
Also, angels don't disclose their names unless you pray to them, they have God's permission to disclose their names or they are assigned to you (your guardian angel for example). The same is true for demons and evil spirits. When a person is possessed by a demon(s) the demon(s) will refuse and hesitate to confess it's/their name(s). This is because the exorcist will have power over the demon(s) and will be able to bind, dispell and cast out the demon(s) more easily during the exorcism. (For those that don't believe in exorcism or possession by evil forces simply don't respond to this portion of my post. We can avoid an argument, which I'm sure we'd all like to do).
Back on track, the point of all this is the faith of Jacob. The fact he could best this debatably unknown "man" showed and proved his place in Israel. The victory however was allowed and most likely planned.
Also, about Israel, God has said several times in the Bible that He would protect it from destruction for all times. He also said that it's people would be persecuted for many ages. We know this is true, even today, but yet Israel stands in the midst of a war that I believe can only truely be ended by a complete and total surrenderance to the will of God. Israel, even in the words of God Himself has been "stubborn" and "unyielding", yet He loves it so that He will not destroy it nor allow it to be destroyed. It served a purpose then and it will serve an even greater purpose in the future.
Whenever I hear this passage used in the gospel portion of the priest's homily it has been re-transliterated apparently and can can mean either Jacob wrestled God literally or he wrestled a representative of God- an angel.
God is the Supreme. He would not lose to a mortal in any way unless it was on purpose. And on that basis its easier to believe (not to mention more realistic) for the "man" to have been an angel.
Also, angels don't disclose their names unless you pray to them, they have God's permission to disclose their names or they are assigned to you (your guardian angel for example). The same is true for demons and evil spirits. When a person is possessed by a demon(s) the demon(s) will refuse and hesitate to confess it's/their name(s). This is because the exorcist will have power over the demon(s) and will be able to bind, dispell and cast out the demon(s) more easily during the exorcism. (For those that don't believe in exorcism or possession by evil forces simply don't respond to this portion of my post. We can avoid an argument, which I'm sure we'd all like to do).
Back on track, the point of all this is the faith of Jacob. The fact he could best this debatably unknown "man" showed and proved his place in Israel. The victory however was allowed and most likely planned.
Also, about Israel, God has said several times in the Bible that He would protect it from destruction for all times. He also said that it's people would be persecuted for many ages. We know this is true, even today, but yet Israel stands in the midst of a war that I believe can only truely be ended by a complete and total surrenderance to the will of God. Israel, even in the words of God Himself has been "stubborn" and "unyielding", yet He loves it so that He will not destroy it nor allow it to be destroyed. It served a purpose then and it will serve an even greater purpose in the future.
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Maybe Jacob wore the "Freedom of Choice: Tap out or Jacob-Slam" leotard. 'Would explain everything...😉
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Admiral Trouser said:
LOL Man, that's exactly what I picture, too. Jacob getting him in an ankle lock, with the unnamed wrestler touching his hip and dislocating it and him not letting go of the ankle lock. I guess God or the angel couldn't get to the ropes in time before sunrise.
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Methinks the fix was in. 😛
i understand that the Orthodox Church holds that the angel/messenger was in fact an appearance of Christ; i believe most protestant denominations generally view it as an angel of the Lord.
in no case, may it be construed as Hulk Hogan!
in no case, may it be construed as Hulk Hogan!
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In at least one place, I've heard it suggested that the "hollow of the thigh" part is an euphemism for the Ric Flair Special (i.e. uppercut to the crotch). You'd think God, or even an angel, wouldn't have to resort to that, though.
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I can almost here J.R. now....wait....it *is* him!...
"Screw job! It's a screeew job!"
Haaaa...did anyone see Goldberg's "Santa-slayer" shirt on NWO? 'Twas amusing indeed, eheh...
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"Screw job! It's a screeew job!"
Haaaa...did anyone see Goldberg's "Santa-slayer" shirt on NWO? 'Twas amusing indeed, eheh...
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Admiral Trouser said:
Not to be picky, but the shirt was "Santa's slay" Methinks it is a movie he is working on, from what I have heard.
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But the main question is, when God went after the hip snap, did he scream out in a high pitched animae voice, "kamehameHAI!"??
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Yes. And then he whent back into training for fourteen years and spent the next three chapters of the Bible powering up his next attack 😛
And as for the "Santa's Slay" malarky...could have sworn it was Santa Slayer, and some wry remark about Jews and Santa not seeing eye to eye...
*Awaits the chair-shot patiently*
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And as for the "Santa's Slay" malarky...could have sworn it was Santa Slayer, and some wry remark about Jews and Santa not seeing eye to eye...
*Awaits the chair-shot patiently*
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