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Handcuffing a 5 Year Old....Going Too Far?

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IMO, yes. Granted that child was out of control and obviously needs some sort of counceling and/or professional intervention, but I can not see ANY situation where it would be deemed necessary to handcuff a child that young and that small. There were three police officers there....they couldn't physically keep her restrained if it was necessary (which it was not, since she was sitting calmly in her chair when they felt the need to handcuff her)? This disturbs me....seriously.

Mimi
 
I was handcuffed by a cop about 15 years ago simply for being in a ritzy neighborhood. That was back when I looked a lot like Tommy Chong. Handcuffs are scary enough to a 28 year old man. Sad to hear that a five-year old girl had to go through that. At least she didn't have a gun pointed at her head.
 
Handcuffing a 5 year old...

No, it's not going over the limit! The girl was out of control! It's protocol to hand cuff anyone that could cause harm to herself or others. This was not the first time the little girl acted this way. The cops only did what they thought was right until the parents got there. What if the girl hurt herself? The police would of been accused of not doing anything. Being 5 or 80 or 30 has no bearing on protocol, and the safety of others.
 
Teacher+Phone+hand+take your hand to the phone+dail to call her mother+sending the little brat home for a few days away from school= Problem solved


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cooltickler said:
No, it's not going over the limit! The girl was out of control! It's protocol to hand cuff anyone that could cause harm to herself or others. This was not the first time the little girl acted this way. The cops only did what they thought was right until the parents got there. What if the girl hurt herself? The police would of been accused of not doing anything. Being 5 or 80 or 30 has no bearing on protocol, and the safety of others.

So.....3 grown male police officers could not physically control or prevent a small, 40lb child from hurting herself or someone else by merely holding her in place? She's so wild and strong and physically dominating that they had to handcuff her tiny wrists behind her back to maintain her? She's only 5, for petes sake!

Mimi
 
5 year old girl...

The police aren't allowed to handle her, they could accuse them of hurting her. The teacher should of been smart and when the cops arrived said to the officers everything is under control, you may leave. They didn't and the police did what they had to do. this shouldn't of been a big deal. Stop trying to act like they did wrong. The mother will get a cool settlement and it will be over and done with.
 
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Crazy americans!!!!!

In Portugal, when I was young, one day I got mad in kindergarten with another child...don´t really remember what was he saying to bother me so much but I reacted and threatened him with a scissors....I actually made a small cut on his shirt (seems he got me reall mad loool). I had no intention to hurt him and the cut was so slight that the teachers only noticed it because he obviously told them quickly!

Was I arrested????? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! OBVIOUSLY NOT!

Solution:
they called my mother while placing me in a room alone by myself telling me to stay there and think on what I had made.
My mother arrived, had a small talk with me and together with the teacher made me go and say sorry to the other boy. His mother had also been called and made sure he would acept my apologies and all will end well. Of course my mother offered to pay for the shirt I had damaged as she would have for any other things...and latter on the way home and at home I had some more to ear from her as you may imagine!

Everyone went on with their lifes. As I was not an agressive child things were seen as something unusual that can happen with anyone and no one made a big deal of it from then on. The boy and I, we had our differences solved and remained on the same class without any troubles, we didn´t became best friends loool but we were able to relate as nothing had happened.

This is just an example as to how things should be handdled. No one used force with me, no one called the police! They simple took me away from everyone to calm down and told me exactly that!

Big question here:
Teachers should be professional! Teachers should now their students! If a teacher has 20 kids under his/her autority it´s good policy to speak to their parents and see if they can have some kind of dangerous behaviours. This is specially true in kindergartens were teachers will be almost all day with the kids. My kindergarten teachers were allways speaking to the parents every day and trying to know the kids better. They would never need to call any single policeman to handle their kids, cause they were like second mothers or aunts to all of us. By the way....we really called some of them as Aunt Alzira, Aunt Laura....and the principal was Grandmother Lurdes! And every kid called her like that cause she was really a grandmother to every single kid!
I know that not all kindergartens work that well....I know I was lucky....but this is how it should be! many problems would be solved with more love and more caring.
 
cooltickler said:
The police aren't allowed to handle her, they could accuse them of hurting her. The teacher should of been smart and when the cops arrived said to the officers everything is under control, you may leave. They didn't and the police did what they had to do. this shouldn't of been a big deal. Stop trying to act like they did wrong. The mother will get a cool settlement and it will be over and done with.


Are you serious??

You must not have any children of your own to make this kind of statement! The police "handled" her long enough to handcuff her, they can handle her long enough to calm her down until her parents got to the school to take her out of control tail home!

As a parent with a no nonsense approach to raising children, I take an interesting stance to this incident and have to say this was over the top and ABSOLUTELY UNNECESSARY! All of these adults and no one can manage this child without handcuffs? Bring her to me, I'll have her straightened out in less than 5 minutes without handcuffs!

I don't know this kid's background except she's said to be unruly. I don't know if she's special ed, or just a bad brat of a child. But if three police officers can restrain her long enough for handcuffs, they couldn't restrain her long enough to get her calmed down without them?

My son is autistic and at this child's age, was prone to violent tantrums. If the cops would've handcuffed my child at this age, I would've had all of them fired and publically accountable for their actions. If the child didn't have a disability, she still didn't deserve to be treated like a common criminal. She shouldn't have done what she did, but at age 5, I can't see where handcuffs from three grown men were necessary. Was she wielding some sort of weapon or something? I just can't justify this on ANY level.

The article stated that the child had appeared to have calmed down BEFORE the cops cuffed her. Did anyone bother to contact this child's parents beforehand? I'm going to stretch myself to say probably not!!

The parents don't need a police brutality settlement. They need to get that kid some serious anger management before she ends up in jail for real-or even worse!

I wonder if she was a little 5 year old white girl, would the outcome have been the same? Now the cops don't have a problem handcuffing anyone of color these days do they? :disgust: :Grrr: :ignite: :ignite:
 
The only thing missing was for them to smack her bratty little ass! i would have volunteered for that! then maybe beat her mothers sorry ass for being a shitty parent.
 
This isn't a racial issue, it's a procedure issue. How fast are people these days to make accusations of molestation, police brutality, unlawful procedures, etc? My point is, if these cops had simply "held" the kid, odds are they would be on trial for molestation charges so fast their heads would spin. I think they were in a no win situation. Chances are these cops are going to get the treatment regardless. They just covered their bases as far as the kid.
 
ok, I don't get involved much in controversial issues but this is what I think. The cops were probably not used to handling out of control children like kis. Too bad she isn't a cop! Damn, the prisoners would be in some serious tickle trouble. No really... I think they probably did the right thing if they weren't used to a situation like this. And if the girl was an chronic out of control child maybe she learned a lesson? I'm not a parent and I don't know this stuff so please don't attack me yet. I only think the situation was controlled and in the process no one was hurt and a small child may have learned a valuble lesson.
 
I don't get what the big deal is about the handcuffs. It's not like they used a tazor or tear gas on her. (sp?)
 
ticklkitten said:
And if the girl was an chronic out of control child maybe she learned a lesson? I'm not a parent and I don't know this stuff so please don't attack me yet. I only think the situation was controlled and in the process no one was hurt and a small child may have learned a valuble lesson.

I liked reading the part in the article: "As she spoke, her three children rambled through the apartment. The girl, the oldest child, rode a pink bicycle through the living room, one of the training wheels missing. Her brother got up on a table and swatted a light fixture, laughing."

Riding bikes through the house and smacking light fixtures with no consequence? Are this kids raised by anarchists, or kin to the brothers Marx?

I think kitten has a point worth taking into account. Remember the "Scared Straight" program to keep troubled kids from getting into further problems?

I saw an episode of COPS where a 9 year old had put a 6 year old up to stealing a bike. The policewoman came and cuffed the 6 year old, took him to the 9 year old's house, showed the 9 year old the kid in the back of the cruiser and made him tell the 6 year old he didn't want him hanging around anymore, then just took the 6 year old back home. The police officer explained to mom that she did it because she wanted to get to him when he was young and not end up being lead into trouble by older kids smart enough not to get caught, then his life is ruined by their shady dealings.

This momma's apparently not doing too good of a job. The kids are gonna grow up messed up, do something wrong, everyone's going to point at them and say "personal choice" while never asking from what basis those choices were developed from; meanwhile mom goes free, even writes a book about her life as a single mom of troubled kids, and it gets turned into a movie with Alfie Woodard on the Oxygen Network. Or Lifetime, The Women's Network. The circle of life.
 
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I see absolutely nothing there on that Video tape that warranted anyone treating that poor little mite like that, it's dispicable. Having a qualification in child psychology I can also say their actions did nothing but actually reinforce her behaviour and give her the attention she was craving. I have worked in centres with kids and young adults that have severe behavioural problems and there are many other ways to have dealt with this situation than the one used.
What the hell has this world come to when grown people feel that have to treat a child like that.
 
I went back and read the story. Looks like this kid is the child from hell! She needed restraint and control, not handcuffs at the age of 5! There is no one on this planet, much less this forum that will convince me otherwise! This is a flaming example of the innmates running the asylum! This child controls everyone around her, and when she loses control, then you call in the cops for a 5 year old! Bring her to me and she'll in in control within 24 hours and the results will last! My son didn't go through his "nutty" period until he was in his teens and I had more control over him then than all of the adults in this story combined.

For those of you that don't think race is a factor, do your homework and come back to me, because the statistics speak for themselves!

Everywhere you look in the media, the major message is that blacks can only be controlled by handcuffs and jails. The disproportionate number of blacks vs. whites in jail right now proves it! So now, the entire country got to see another person of color being controlled by handcuffs. I guarantee you if the child was white, they would've found another way! I lived it with myself and my son, and until you live it yourself, you can only speculate! I hope all three of them get fired for what they did! For those of you that do not have your own children, I can take your opinions respectfully, but you can only speculate as well. No parent wants to see their child at any age in handcuffs on national television, much less their 5 year old.

This crap only happens in America! Schools in other countries have controlled classrooms and that's why they come to this country and blow us out of the water academically. Bad behavior is dealt with swiftly and the classroom remains a learning environment, not a police state. Parents are allowed to discipline their children without fear from the state. The crime rates in other countries are dramatically lower than in the US. That's why I'll be glad when my daughter graduates high school (or hell school)! My grandchildren will NEVER see the inside of a public school! I may home school them myself if I have to! They'll get more out of me than anything these schools can provide. We spend more money on education and these kids just get dumber and dumber! Why is that?

If we got rid of Dr. Spock and the other "professionals" who turned a lot of these kids into monsters in the first place and went back to basics, you wouldn't have situations like this! When I was in school, we didn't have police coming in to control us! Either the teachers or the parents handled it. Parents nowadays are lazy and use the schools as daycare relief for their monsters in training.

What I see in many of today's parents isn't parenting at all! If you don't believe me go shopping and I'll guarantee you'll come across several examples of disrespectful, uncontrolled brats and their so-called parents just allowing it. If one of my kids would treat me that way, they'd be spitting teeth and I don't have a problem going to jail for it! I'm not their friend or buddy, I'm the mama and I demand respect! I love my children and will fight to the death on their behalf, but I don't tolerate disrespect at all! I'm a no nonsense old fashioned kind of mom who could care less if they liked me or not. Parents are afraid of their children and want to befriend them. That's not their job-their job is to raise them! And raising children 'aint for cowards! We need to stop making excuses for poor behavior that usually starts at home and start raising these kids to live in society.

I believe the concept of individualism has gone too far to the left and this is the fallout of it. Out of control serial killers in training and schools with their hands tied unable to do anything about it.

Bring those brats to me and see if I can't get them straightened out! :ranty:
 
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drew70 said:
I don't get what the big deal is about the handcuffs. It's not like they used a tazor or tear gas on her. (sp?)

Drew, are you serious??

I'm just glad someone got it on tape. That way, the cops can't get away with denying it. And they would've lied about it without proof, believe me.

Go back to the basics and do the right thing by these kids and you won't have 5yr olds terrorizing the classroom. Ticklemad made a good point-the child wanted attention, and she got it. This is the only way the child knows how to get attention! The only outcome from this is a lawsuit and no one will address the real problem. The child and her entire family need help. Let's see if anyone will deal with the real issue here or will they just keep putting band aids on bullet holes? :rant:
 
kis123 said:
This crap only happens in America! Schools in other countries have controlled classrooms and that's why they come to this country and blow us out of the water academically.


It's how they control the classrooms that's different. I remember reading last year about 2 kids in India, they were picked out of school for stealing at a recent wedding. When the kids refused to cooperate with police they were hung up, beaten and had needles placed under their fingernails. (And the stolen property was recovered from the kids!) . Unusual, but not THAT unusual. I recall in Japan in the mid 1980s a kid was kicked to death by his Karate class at the urging of the teacher for not having washed his uniform. America may be out there, but apparanetly Asia is insane! Googling can lead to some amazing worldwide horror stories.

All that aside, Kis, I think you really should audition for the t.v show 'Supernanny'! I would be watching and cheering you on.
 
A lot of has to do with the fact a teacher can't touch their students anymore. 10 years ago the teacher would have just picked the kid up by the arm and dragged him/her off to the principals office. Now in tha age of lawsuits and all you can't lay a hand on a kid without fear of being charged with something.
 
As far as the race thing goes, i think the reason theres a disproportionate number of blacks in jail, is because they disproportionately commit more crimes.
 
I think the cops just jumped at the chance to handcuff a black child. No doubt. Not suprising at all.
 
maniactickler said:
As far as the race thing goes, i think the reason theres a disproportionate number of blacks in jail, is because they disproportionately commit more crimes.

You've got to be kidding!

Are they doing racial profiles on white folks these days?
Do they stop whites driving nice cars in nice neighborhoods?
Do the cops follow young white boys walking on the street in their police cars with bullhorns?

Let me help you with the answer

NO, NO and NO!

Your statement is one of the reasons why the police and the justice system (for lack of a better term) get away with it! :ignite: :disgust: 😡 😡

The struggle still continues!! :sowrong:
 
Why is this such a BIG DEAL?

If the Teacher or Principle at the school that the little girl attended and went to. If either one of them would have picked up the phone and dialed the girls mother to come have her picked up. And sent home for the day or a few days this whole case and mess would have never leaked out. And she never would have been hand cuffed by the police in the first place. End of story.
 
A lot of has to do with the fact a teacher can't touch their students anymore. 10 years ago the teacher would have just picked the kid up by the arm and dragged him/her off to the principals office. Now in tha age of lawsuits and all you can't lay a hand on a kid without fear of being charged with something.

I have to totally agree with this statement!

The big problem here starts when you call the police in the first place! As another member said, once the policemans are there, they´re in a no win situation. They should not be there in the first place period!

1 - policemans are made to deal with criminals
2 - kindergarten teachers are made to deal with kids
3 - policemans, obviuosly, might or might not have the slightest clue how to deal with litlle kids.

Conclusion: Unless you have a kid armed and dangerous at your kindergarten, you should never call the police! They won´t know what to do better than any teacher or parent! And maybe they´re more needed elsewhere.

I would put all blames here at the kindergarten for calling the police. After all they are paid to take care of the kids and if they clearly failled to the point of calling someone else to do their job....than I´d be getting my kids out of there quicky!

Now as heather said....maybe the problem in the US is not the teachers but the environment and all that era of lawsuits you´ve made for yourselves. I´d be willing to understand the kindergarten under that circunstance.....but I´d be looking for a better place!!!

today they called the police cause one girl was out of control......tomorrow they can call the police to handle with my own kid!!!!!!
 
vampirecult said:
Why is this such a BIG DEAL?

If the Teacher or Principle at the school that the little girl attended and went to. If either one of them would have picked up the phone and dialed the girls mother to come have her picked up. And sent home for the day or a few days this whole case and mess would have never leaked out. And she never would have been hand cuffed by the police in the first place. End of story.


The school claims that the parent refused to come pick the child up. I don't believe that because in my city, if the parent refuses to pick up the child, the school calls in an ambulance and takes the child to the hospital. I guarantee you, the hospital will make that parent come or the cops jail the parent.

If it wasn't on tape, I wouldn't be inclined to believe it.
 
I hate to sound like a grumpy old man but........... Back when I went to school and a child acted like that they would have gotten paddled at school Then when they got home they would have gotten paddled there That is the problem nowdays God forbid a child should get paddled for acting like a wild animal
If those cops get sued then so should the mother of this child She is at fault for the wild behavior of this child Not society or anyone else I am so glad I decided long ago to never be responsible for bringing in a child into this screwed up world :ranty:
 
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