Handcuffing a 5 Year Old....Going Too Far?

[OBleedingMe]

We've Made Our Own Hells. Blame Your PC Selves.

We've created a sue-happy society. The school had absolutely no recourse. If they took action themselves, they would have been sued. Therefore, they called the police and "passed the buck," so to speak.

If the principle restrained the child, there would have been a law suit. If the principle let the child throw a tantrum and she hurt herself, there would have been a lawsuit. It was a lose/lose situation for the school, so they did what any other human being posting on this board would do when faced with such a losing proposition - pass on the responsibility to someone else. Wash their hands of the matter, so to speak.

Handcuffing five-year-olds isn't the only problem in America's schools. Many schools are afraid to disipline children of any age. In a time when parents are suing schools when their kids are suspended for cheating, plagarizing, or a violent action, and the parents are WINNING these suits, the schools have no choice but to pass on the responsibility. To do anything else would jeopardize the financial well-being of the school.

You want schools to stop calling the cops over kids sticking out their tongues and throwing temper tantrums? Then STOP SUING THEM for taking disiplinary action (demerits, detentions, suspensions, counseling, restraining the child for their own good etc.). Get off your high horse and stop believing your child is a little angel who can do no wrong. Parents have created their own PC hell and they don't have clue.

Most schools call the police only when you STRIP THEM OF THEIR DISIPLINARY POWERS. When they no longer have any tools they can use to enforce order to maintain a learning environment and are in fact PUNISHED for enforcing basic codes of ethics/conduct, they have no choice but to turn to law enforcement. It's a question of survivial, simple as that.

 

[Sunriseticklee]

Public Schools Are Going Downhill!

We've created a sue-happy society. The school had absolutely no recourse. If they took action themselves, they would have been sued. Therefore, they called the police and "passed the buck," so to speak.

If the principle restrained the child, there would have been a law suit. If the principle let the child throw a tantrum and she hurt herself, there would have been a lawsuit. It was a lose/lose situation for the school, so they did what any other human being posting on this board would do when faced with such a losing proposition - pass on the responsibility to someone else. Wash their hands of the matter, so to speak.

EXACTLY! I mean, hey! Besides what I suggested in my first post (which may have kept the handcuffing from happening... maybe), I don't know what else the school could have done. Now everyone is in trouble, everyone is outraged and everyone is blaming someone else.

Those teachers went beyond the call of duty. Talk about patient. Now the parent has moved her child to a new school and is trying to get paid. What has the 5 year old learned in this? That she and mommie were right and everyone else was wrong? I have NO doubt whatsoever that she will act the same way again. I feel sorry for whatever new principal or teacher she has because I feel whatever lesson could have been learned was lost.

The public school system is sinking like the Titanic! NCLB is actually leaving more kids behind than ever. And teachers can only do so much without being afraid to lose everything in the process. I chose this profession when I was in second grade. I mean, when I was going to college, no one told me that the public school systems were being run like a department store... "The customer is always right!"

No one told me that if a parent had a complaint, valid or otherwise and went to the right people, created a media circus, that it could virtually end my entire career.

All of a sudden it was like I had no rights and my hands were tied. Even when the child was clearly wrong, just the investigation is enough to ruin a teacher for good.

The school system would rather punish/fire the teacher than risk getting sued because, you're right, the parents are winning. And the public school system cannot afford it anymore.

Many keep saying that the child was harmless.... No she wasn't. She could have harmed her teachers, her classmates, and herself.

Many keep saying that the school should have restrained her instead. Whomever decided to hold the clearly out-of-control child down would have been smacked with a lawsuit, period. I believe that much is true. I think the mother just couldn't wait. In my opinion, I also think the mother thought of dollar bill signs before she thought of the signs that point toward the fact that her child is going to continue getting worse regardless of what school she goes to or what settlement she wins. Figure it out as bail money!

If she doesn't learn right from wrong soon.... there will be more handcuffs in her future.

Sunny 🙄

 

[unclebill]

Thanks for sharing your experiences with us Sunriseticklee. I have a few friends that teach in the St. Louis city public schools and your views are right on target with what they have been telling me for years. My question is can we fix the mess that has been created or is it too far gone?

 

[kis123]

Thanks for sharing your experiences with us Sunriseticklee. I have a few friends that teach in the St. Louis city public schools and your views are right on target with what they have been telling me for years. My question is can we fix the mess that has been created or is it too far gone?

I believe it's only too late when we're all dead! I believe there's always hope. The only issue is will all involved be willing to do the work necessary to get some normalcy?

1-Find ways to get control back in the classroom so teachers can teach in an academic environment. Teachers aren't cops and shouldn't have to be.

2-Make parents more accountable for their unruly children! This is where a lot of the problems are coming from. The child in question is the brat from hell and has a family more of them at home. Parents make the babies, they should be taking care of them. This would require more intervention from Social Services to monitor the process. I know they're already spread thin, but necessity has been known to be the mother of invention. Maybe in desparation, something can be developed and piloted with the families who have the most struggles. Fine tune and tweak, then repeat the process. Document the success and move to the next family. This may have to be addressed one family at a time since there's not much money to go round.

3-If you must have police involved with elementary school children, develop reasonable restraint procedures and make sure they're properly trained.

4-Give parents more rights than children in their homes so they can effectively discipline (not beat to death) their children without reprisal from the State. Parents are afraid to raise their children because they can end up dealing with Social Services because they spanked their kid. As long as the child isn't being abused, the family should be left alone to raise their kids. We've gotten too far left when it comes to the rights of kids/parents.

5-Teach alternatives to spanking that work. These kids are very smart nowadays so stimulate their intellect by using creative discipline methods. Kids need boundaries to feel safe. If you let them run things, they'll do it, but they don't have the skills. That's why they have parents-that's our job and we should be doing it!

6-Start working on the problems stemming from racism/racial profiling. We live in a global society where people come from various cultures. An open dialogue gets rid of the "elephant in the living room" and creates opportunities to nip problems in the bud early so kids don't grow up with the prejudices and stereotypes that potentially turn them into racists later.

When kids go to a playground, they see kids. They don't care about their skin color-they just want to play. By middle school, the racial lines have been drawn. Can we develop something in that "in-between" span of time where we can catch some of the fallout before it gets ugly? Generations of going through the same stuff over and over isn't working for me or my children. Ignoring it and blowing up when it gets exposed isn't working either.

In today's age of information and global exposure, there's got to be a way of getting back to peace and order.

These are merely suggestions that I think would address the problems-not facts! So if you don't agree with them, bring alternative suggestions.

 

[Sunriseticklee]

Not a Lost Cause

Thanks for sharing your experiences with us Sunriseticklee. I have a few friends that teach in the St. Louis city public schools and your views are right on target with what they have been telling me for years. My question is can we fix the mess that has been created or is it too far gone?

Sigh... I can't very well say anything is a lost cause because where there are at least a few who care, a difference can be made.

Who bares the bulk of the responsibility? I say, the entire community. The deciding factor alone isn't just the teachers or the principals because our hands are being tied by the courts and the federal government day by day. I mean, we can help one child at a time. But it is slow and very difficult.

What was the real problem here? Was it the cops? Did the principal fail the child? Was it the teachers? Was it the parent? Was it the child's fault?

No one wants to take responsibility. Everyone wants to blame someone else, even to the point of summing it up as racism. Did being black automatically cause her to show her ass? No! Then how can being black automatically cause handcuffs to appear? The child WAS wrong. So now what? This does nothing except lead to a bigger problem. Who is willing to stand up to fix our schools? REALLY fix them?

The community needs to take control. The community votes in school and government officials. If they think someone is doing a piss poor job, vote them out and vote in someone who will clean house and be tough on crime. Tough on ALL crime, whether it occurs in the streets, or in the schools.

Schools that have a higher percentage of parental involvement are usually better schools. It has been proven time and time again. Get involved. Let your children know that their education and well-being at school are more important than anything else. Take it seriously if the school calls your house. Go to assemblies, rallies, and festivals.

Start a patrol program, start an anonymous whistleblower hotline so kids can report things without fear. Report shady things going on in the neighborhood. Usually many of the fights at school start with what someone did at home. Expect and accept ONLY the best.

Double check and make sure the tax money you are paying goes to the right place and to the right people for the right reasons. Attend county and city board meetings. Find out what is really going on first hand. Don't rely on the bias media to tell you want to think or what to believe. RESEARCH FOR YOURSELF!

Constantly ask your school and teachers if they need anything, and if they need any help. Chances are; they do. (We always do!) Join the PTA/ PTSA/ PTO. Help the school find more business partners to support them. (Become a business partner yourself.)

Be a chaperone on field trips. Be a volunteer in the cafeteria or on the playground. Participate in Career Day. Find good guest speakers to come to the classroom/ school and speak. Participate in school fundraisers. Suggest programs to reward students for great academics.

Everyone keeps saying that teachers should have more accountability. We have all the accountability! You heard people even here say WE (teachers) should just "deal with it!" How lazy is that? How is it just our job to improve something when the ones involved are YOUR children? Shouldn't that be important to you? Shouldn't you want to help? Why is it only my job to raise, teach, and control YOUR child?

It's easy to blame us. It's easy to blame the problem on the school system. Lazily and cowardly blaming us isn't working. People who really care will get off their butts and help!

We aren't GOD, we can't do everything. You want to know how to change the direction our schools are going in? Get involved and stay involved!

I appreciate your question UncleBill... Tell your friends that I feel them! Most definitely!

Sunny
Who doesn't need a disclaimer at the end of her post. Ya'll can disagree whether you post alternatives or not. Just be real about it! LOL

 

[kis123]

I guess some will never be satisfied.....

Sunny
Who doesn't need a disclaimer at the end of her post. Ya'll can disagree whether you post alternatives or not. Just be real about it! LOL

If this was for me, it's not a disclaimer at all! I could care less about ANYONE agreeing or disagreeing with me or not!

And no one has to agree with my alternatives/solutions either. If I recall you were the one who said I complained with no solutions. Now I bring some and you still have problems with me?

Oh, well!

I guess I'd better take my ignorant, 4th grade level reading, dumbed-down self and get Hooked on Phonics or somethin' like dat!

 

[maniactickler]

Sigh... I can't very well say anything is a lost cause because where there are at least a few who care, a difference can be made.

Who bares the bulk of the responsibility? I say, the entire community. The deciding factor alone isn't just the teachers or the principals because our hands are being tied by the courts and the federal government day by day. I mean, we can help one child at a time. But it is slow and very difficult.

What was the real problem here? Was it the cops? Did the principal fail the child? Was it the teachers? Was it the parent? Was it the child's fault?

No one wants to take responsibility. Everyone wants to blame someone else, even to the point of summing it up as racism. Did being black automatically cause her to show her ass? No! Then how can being black automatically cause handcuffs to appear? The child WAS wrong. So now what? This does nothing except lead to a bigger problem. Who is willing to stand up to fix our schools? REALLY fix them?

The community needs to take control. The community votes in school and government officials. If they think someone is doing a piss poor job, vote them out and vote in someone who will clean house and be tough on crime. Tough on ALL crime, whether it occurs in the streets, or in the schools.

Schools that have a higher percentage of parental involvement are usually better schools. It has been proven time and time again. Get involved. Let your children know that their education and well-being at school are more important than anything else. Take it seriously if the school calls your house. Go to assemblies, rallies, and festivals.

Start a patrol program, start an anonymous whistleblower hotline so kids can report things without fear. Report shady things going on in the neighborhood. Usually many of the fights at school start with what someone did at home. Expect and accept ONLY the best.

Double check and make sure the tax money you are paying goes to the right place and to the right people for the right reasons. Attend county and city board meetings. Find out what is really going on first hand. Don't rely on the bias media to tell you want to think or what to believe. RESEARCH FOR YOURSELF!

Constantly ask your school and teachers if they need anything, and if they need any help. Chances are; they do. (We always do!) Join the PTA/ PTSA/ PTO. Help the school find more business partners to support them. (Become a business partner yourself.)

Be a chaperone on field trips. Be a volunteer in the cafeteria or on the playground. Participate in Career Day. Find good guest speakers to come to the classroom/ school and speak. Participate in school fundraisers. Suggest programs to reward students for great academics.

Everyone keeps saying that teachers should have more accountability. We have all the accountability! You heard people even here say WE (teachers) should just "deal with it!" How lazy is that? How is it just our job to improve something when the ones involved are YOUR children? Shouldn't that be important to you? Shouldn't you want to help? Why is it only my job to raise, teach, and control YOUR child?

It's easy to blame us. It's easy to blame the problem on the school system. Lazily and cowardly blaming us isn't working. People who really care will get off their butts and help!

We aren't GOD, we can't do everything. You want to know how to change the direction our schools are going in? Get involved and stay involved!

I appreciate your question UncleBill... Tell your friends that I feel them! Most definitely!

Sunny
Who doesn't need a disclaimer at the end of her post. Ya'll can disagree whether you post alternatives or not. Just be real about it! LOL

Sounds like that "it takes a village" crap mrs clinton taled about years ago. 😛

 

[MrMacphisto]

Sounds like that "it takes a village" crap mrs clinton taled about years ago. 😛

I'm sure the families at Columbine High would appreciate your sentiment against getting the community involved. It does take a village to have a functioning educational environment. Unfortunately, the move against public schooling and community involvement only takes a village idiot.

 

[kis123]

I'm sure the families at Columbine High would appreciate your sentiment against getting the community involved. It does take a village to have a functioning educational environment. Unfortunately, the move against public schooling and community involvement only takes a village idiot.

Wow-I'm finding myself agreeing with you more often.

Then again, we had snow in the Greater Cleveland area a few days ago too!

More phenomenon to follow! 😛

 

[maniactickler]

I guess i am against public schooling. lets privatize it so kids can actually get an education instead of being trained minions of the liberals and teachers unions.

 

[Sunriseticklee]

Still Can't Get It Right? What To Do?

I'm sure the families at Columbine High would appreciate your sentiment against getting the community involved. It does take a village to have a functioning educational environment. Unfortunately, the move against public schooling and community involvement only takes a village idiot.

Once again, you are funny as hell! But it is true!

Do I really sound like Hillary Clinton? Ewwww! (Oh well)

If this was for me, it's not a disclaimer at all! I could care less about ANYONE agreeing or disagreeing with me or not!

And no one has to agree with my alternatives/solutions either. If I recall you were the one who said I complained with no solutions. Now I bring some and you still have problems with me?

Oh, well! I guess I'd better take my ignorant, 4th grade level reading, dumbed-down self and get Hooked on Phonics or somethin' like dat!

LOL... YOU again? I thought you were through with me. Guess you couldn't resist.

Anyway.... If you insist on recalling and writing what you think I said (but didn't REALLY say)... make sure you get it right. I never asked you for a solution. I know the solution. I asked what YOU personally were doing to solve the problem.

Never satisfied? Giggle... That very well may be. I guess I'd be satisified with your solutions, if you are actually doing it instead of just suggesting it. Are you? I mean... tell me if you are because that changes everything. I believe that was what I was actually asking you. What were you doing to change the problems? But I just figured you didn't understand the question so I let it go. shrug

Anyway.... So fellow threadmates... We have two posts on this thread with solutions? Who's gonna actually implement them? I'm doing my job, but there is only so many hours in the day, so I can't do it all.

Those of you who have kids in school, go up to your teachers and ask them if they need help! You will be a hero... REALLY!

Sunny

P.S.

Here's a fact for you....

Did you know that it is against the law for parents to come up to the school and physically discipline their children on the premises? I don't know how many parents have said to me, "Just give me a call and I'll take care of that problem immediately!" (I don't let them, by the way.)

It's against the law (which I didn't know until after my first year of teaching), but I am telling you, getting a whoopin at school.... Where all of your friends can hear you crying in the hallway.... The children who that happens to, I promise you that they are angels the REST of the year.

 

[Sunriseticklee]

I guess i am against public schooling. lets privatize it so kids can actually get an education instead of being trained minions of the liberals and teachers unions.

And I guess with privatizing schools... the teachers will automatically become androids and robots (perfection of course), and all violence in schools will automatically end. 😀

Ummm... Just for clarification, why are you against teachers unions?

 

[General Zod]

Sunrise
God bless you and the other teachers out there for doing your job and trying to make a difference in the childrens lives Other than forcing the parents to take responsibility for their childrens behaviour (not holding my breath) what else can be done?

I really wonder if corporal punishment is the answer fro some of those children Where do they learn their bad behaviour from? Why their parents of course That and the fact that they know they can get away with it

 

[Cosmo_ac]

It's against the law (which I didn't know until after my first year of teaching), but I am telling you, getting a whoopin at school.... Where all of your friends can hear you crying in the hallway.... The children who that happens to, I promise you that they are angels the REST of the year.

Yeah, that won't cause any emotional problems 🙄

 

[Sunriseticklee]

Yeah, that won't cause any emotional problems 🙄

Hey... maybe it will. Maybe it won't.

The same could be argued for any spanking or physical punishment.

Some are for it and some are against it. (ok.... I know that emoticon was in poor taste for the moment. 😀 )

General Zod,

First of all... how are you doing? It's been forever! 😛

I know for a fact that corporal punishment doesn't work for everyone. Before I have my own children, Alex and I will have to make a choice. We've talked about discipline before. (And he's already called uncle by 6 of my nephews, and having to discipline them. It's actually cute watching him be firm. Heehee) Honestly, I don't know how I feel about it.

I see the arguments on both sides. My parents certainly didn't "spare the rod". I don't know.

The only thing I can cling to is that my students follow directions without me having to spank them. I can only hope that my children will too.... But what do I know? LOL

 

[kis123]

Oh dear, here we go again!!

Oh, your written "dig" about the disclaimer was a nice touch, dear. I belileve you were the one who couldn't resist.

What have I actually done to contribute to the solution? Hmmm, let's see:

I raised two decent human beings who never gave a teacher a problem I couldn't handle at home. I kept constant communication with instructors and tackled any academic issues as they came. I made myself available to instructors as they needed.

Last June, as over 200 students gave up and dropped out of school, my autistic son (you so eloquently talked about earlier) walked across the stage and received his diploma. That same person has a good job at the operations center at a local bank. My daughter will graduate next year (at age 16) with a scholarship. Looks like I did my part there, huh?

I've worked with several social service agencies to help with children who have learning disabilities cope with adolescence. That way, we have fewer criminals and pregnant teens ill equipped to handle their circumstances. We attempt to catch them BEFORE they get in trouble or cover them after they do. After all, they are still just kids and are disabled to add to their sometimes problematic lives.

I'm in the planning phase of developing a series of group homes with the first one being for teenage girls-you know the ones no one else wants to be responsible for!

It's not my responsibility to develop school policy or police procedure. That's up to the "professionals" to figure out. Come on, I can't do everything by myself, can I??

I regularly voice concerns about racism and keep it out front so people don't get too comfortable when the system is still messed up. I support causes that do the same.

Is that enough for you or should I divulge the expansion plans once the first home gets off the ground? As I said before, sometimes you resolve life's big issues one at at time. I very much practice what I preach. Although you think you're the only one doing something out here, you are incredibly mistaken in your assumptions!

I don't have to write on a fourm and brag about what I do to make this world a better place-I just do what needs to be done.

Initially I found your commentary abusive, abrasive, obnoxious, and pretty rude. Now I find it humorous in a scaled-down, base, and semi-tacky way!

It's been quite entertaining and very enlightening in so many ways.

But, it's gotten a little old and stale and I should find something a little more intellectually stimulating.

***Wait, I'm talking with Sunrise, the only educated black woman***
***must get back to ignorant, 4th grade reading level, dumbed-down mode**

uh, duh, huked on foniks wurkd 4 me!

Whatever would I do without spell and grammar check.

Now, I'm done with you

 

[Oddjob0226]

It's not my responsibility to develop school policy or police procedure. That's up to the "professionals" to figure out. Come on, I can't do everything by myself, can I??

I regularly voice concerns about racism and keep it out front so people don't get too comfortable when the system is still messed up. I support causes that do the same.

Oh Kis...

By keeping 'it out front' you are indeed developing policy, inasmuch as you are helping effect it. You have more power than you realize! So - if you are a tax paying voter, it IS your responsibility as one of the "by the people, for the people" people to steer public policy - school policy & police procedure are areas of the public trust. City councils and school boards, PTAs and review boards are made just for that.

I mean - is it MY responsibility to pay school taxes - me without kids, other people bringing them into the world without checking with me first? And who asked me about giving Medicare to 80 year olds without much time left anyway? I've been checking my messages - nothing! And as far as legal immigration and U.S citizenship goes, don't we have enough Albanians? Can't we cut off any more of them coming here? But no, no one asks me. So I must get involved.

So - having said all this, where in Ohio do you live? You can PM me if you don't want it out there..... with all the racial police incidents going on in your city, I can put you in touch with the Urban League in your area (office of the president, no low-level secretaries, got kind of an inside track on that....). From watching John Mack, James Buford and Hugh Price get things done, I have no doubt that, as long as their leadership is effective in your area, they will approach the police, and work with them on real change in the community. But your wheel has to squeak to the right people. Let me help you out with that. No reason you should be made to feel uncomfortable in your own town going about your biz.

 

[kis123]

Oh Kis...

By keeping 'it out front' you are indeed developing policy, inasmuch as you are helping effect it. You have more power than you realize! So - if you are a tax paying voter, it IS your responsibility as one of the "by the people, for the people" people to steer public policy - school policy & police procedure are areas of the public trust. City councils and school boards, PTAs and review boards are made just for that.

I mean - is it MY responsibility to pay school taxes - me without kids, other people bringing them into the world without checking with me first? And who asked me about giving Medicare to 80 year olds without much time left anyway? I've been checking my messages - nothing! And as far as legal immigration and U.S citizenship goes, don't we have enough Albanians? Can't we cut off any more of them coming here? But no, no one asks me. So I must get involved.

So - having said all this, where in Ohio do you live? You can PM me if you don't want it out there..... with all the racial police incidents going on in your city, I can put you in touch with the Urban League in your area (office of the president, no low-level secretaries, got kind of an inside track on that....). From watching John Mack, James Buford and Hugh Price get things done, I have no doubt that, as long as their leadership is effective in your area, they will approach the police, and work with them on real change in the community. But your wheel has to squeak to the right people. Let me help you out with that. No reason you should be made to feel uncomfortable in your own town going about your biz.

Send the PM as long as it has nothing to do with City Council. They're horrible! I'm interested in hearing anything that will get my city the respect it deserves. I've been here all my life and I know there are some who still have hope.

Thanks for your suggestion. Look forward to hearing from you.

 

[maniactickler]

And I guess with privatizing schools... the teachers will automatically become androids and robots (perfection of course), and all violence in schools will automatically end. 😀

Ummm... Just for clarification, why are you against teachers unions?

Teachers unions train our youth to be good little liberal soldiers so theyll grow up and vote for their party.

 

[Cosmo_ac]

wow maniac...just...wow...

 

[kis123]

Teachers unions train our youth to be good little liberal soldiers so theyll grow up and vote for their party.

Are you really serious?

I'm not a fan of teachers unions either, but definitely not for the same reasons you have.

I feel home schooling has its place, but I'm not convinced it works for everyone.

I'm not liberal or left, but they have their place in the world too. It just doesn't seem to belong here. I don't want a world of police used to restrain 5 year olds. There is a better way of doing things and I've given my suggestions in previous threads. Let's continue to train our children to be independent thinkers without the selfish and narcissitic (sp) aspects. We should get some concern for others than ourselves and our own little place in the universe.

 

[maniactickler]

Like it or not, the public schooling system in this country is very liberal. they follow the marching orders from the unions. thank god i was one of the lucky ones that didnt stay brainwashed. unfortunately, some of us havent waken up to reality yet. but hang in there, theres still hope!

 

[Sunriseticklee]

Teachers unions train our youth to be good little liberal soldiers so theyll grow up and vote for their party.

Oh my goodness, are you WAYYYY off base. Teacher's unions aren't put in place to train teachers to train youth to become liberal soldiers. That's what unversities are for.

Teacher's unions are put in place so teachers have support when parents try to sue them. And extra support if they are being treated badly by school adminstration.

I've never received any liberal training through the unions at ALL. In fact, they just send me a newsletter, I send them my dues, and if I need them then they are there.

But then... You are also the one who said there are more blacks in jail because they commit more crimes.... so... LOL instead of reasoning with you; I actually find you extremely humorous... I don't really take what you say very seriously. That'd be a waste of time.

Teachers Unions... HAHAHAHAHA Ok... I'm done.

Oh Kis...

By keeping 'it out front' you are indeed developing policy, inasmuch as you are helping effect it. You have more power than you realize! So - if you are a tax paying voter, it IS your responsibility as one of the "by the people, for the people" people to steer public policy - school policy & police procedure are areas of the public trust. City councils and school boards, PTAs and review boards are made just for that.

I mean - is it MY responsibility to pay school taxes - me without kids, other people bringing them into the world without checking with me first? And who asked me about giving Medicare to 80 year olds without much time left anyway? I've been checking my messages - nothing! And as far as legal immigration and U.S citizenship goes, don't we have enough Albanians? Can't we cut off any more of them coming here? But no, no one asks me. So I must get involved.

Thanks... took the words right out of my mouth (which is good because I've gotta leave for school!)

As far as not being able to resist... LOL who knows. You're the one who replied.... (and BELIEVE... I believe that's how that's spelled.....)

I'll reply about the content (everybody's, not just yours) later. Gotta go.... (Didn't want you all to think that I was scared away. I don't get on TMF a lot during the week. Which I feel is fair since someone did take 2 days to answer one question.)

Off to save the world! 😉 (giggle!)

Sunrise


(PS... I'll be really freaked out if someone from the forum has a child in my class, and that parent asks me if I need any help today. "Yeah... I was inspired by this teacher on a forum I visit...." LOL)

It would serve me right! Heehee... This was fun. I'll be back!

 

[maniactickler]

teachers most certainly have an agenda out there. whos idea is it to teach 5, 6 or 7 year olds that heather has two mommies? or any gay issues for that matter. like i said, indoctrinate them young so they fall in line.

 

[Oddjob0226]

teachers most certainly have an agenda out there. whos idea is it to teach 5, 6 or 7 year olds that heather has two mommies? or any gay issues for that matter. like i said, indoctrinate them young so they fall in line.

Perhaps it was the idea of Heather's 2 voting, tax paying, child raising mommies. Besides, indoctrination ain't a new thing. 'The Fedralist Papers', 'Poor Richard's Alminac' and 'Common Sense' were doing their thing quite some time ago.