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Hey guys, where's the love?

I would guess that the 'gay'-brandmark probably comes from the broad opinion that 'real' man shouldn't be weak, giggling, giving in to sensation. Real men have to be strong, not submissive. So a guy who is submissive might be looked at as being gay.

Usually a clue to men who, somehow, feel that their own sexuality's threatened by the idea of another man submitting to this. The root of homophobia, really...threatened sexuality.

So frickin' boring.
 
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Perhaps it is exactly because it is contrary to normal public life where men are traditionally dominant, that it is exciting to be dominated by a woman... in this case through tickling. It is such a thrill to witness the emotion of wickedness when a woman tickles a man, especially when it's me!
 
I would guess that the 'gay'-brandmark probably comes from the broad opinion that 'real' man shouldn't be weak, giggling, giving in to sensation. Real men have to be strong, not submissive. So a guy who is submissive might be looked at as being gay.

Personally, I don't think so, but I definitely do not feel attracted to submissive men.

I'm more of the opinion that a real man should be strong enough to give a woman what she wants, even if that means ceding control and looking silly once in a while. If a woman is purely a lee that's one thing, but if she's a ler or switch, I would think less of a guy who refused to let her tickle him, simply because of some macho bs about f/m making him gay.
 
Welcome aboard! I'm still quite a newcomer myself, like you having been a long-time viewer before deciding to join officially. I'm male and personally into F/F and M/F (or, more precisely, Me/F 😈 ), although in recent years I've discovered that I have no objection whatsoever to submitting and allowing a woman open access to all my sensitive spots. Whether it's revenge on me for having probed her feet and body or the opening act before I become the ler, there's little I like more than the sight and feel of a sadistic, grinning female running, wiggling and gliding her merciless fingers all over. These days I will sometimes take a quick peak at F/M material just to imagine myself in the guy's position. The only combination that doesn't particularly attract me is M/M.
 
Welcome aboard! I'm still quite a newcomer myself, like you having been a long-time viewer before deciding to join officially. I'm male and personally into F/F and M/F (or, more precisely, Me/F 😈 ), although in recent years I've discovered that I have no objection whatsoever to submitting and allowing a woman open access to all my sensitive spots. Whether it's revenge on me for having probed her feet and body or the opening act before I become the ler, there's little I like more than the sight and feel of a sadistic, grinning female running, wiggling and gliding her merciless fingers all over. These days I will sometimes take a quick peak at F/M material just to imagine myself in the guy's position. The only combination that doesn't particularly attract me is M/M.

Well put, sir. My thoughts exactly, but better said than my earlier post on this thread.
 
Hi everyone!

I'm a young woman who's been into tickling since she can remember, and in real life enjoys both being a ler and lee. However, when it comes to pics and vids, there's nothing I like more than seeing a hot, helpless guy getting tickled. To me, this makes total sense, since I'm straight and very, very attracted to men. My "porn" consists almost exclusively of videos and pictures of F/M tickling (although let's be honest, I won't say no to M/M or F/F in a pinch 😉 ). Sadly for me, tickling media at large is heavily dominated by female lees. Poor me! My opportunities to see attractive guys getting the pants tickled off them, literally and metaphorically, are pretty few and far between.

However, what's worse is not only the relative dearth of F/M material, but the condescension, and sometimes even outright hostility, toward media that features male lees. This attitude is fairly common in the online community at large, where F/M clips are absurdly branded as "gay" by people who aren't into it (seriously?? how is a guy getting tickled by a beautiful woman "gay"??).

Welcome to the TMF. Have a nice time here.

You make some interesting comments

The first point, you raise up there is an easy question, the market is much bigger for X/F clips than for X/M clips. That is a fact, very easily to check just by looking at the sidebar “Top clips” at “Clips for Sale”. Either if you restrict the search to “Tickling” or allow the whole lot, the result is the same the X/F or F/F are the products that sell the most by huge difference.
This point is also supported by the fact that the men in the TMF hugely outnumber the female (unless all females are hiding under male names to avoid clogging the mail messages boxes). Since any woman with a “taste” for tickling can go to the web and investigate, why they do not join the TMF in more?

Then you can turn your question around and ask why?

Then the question: Why women do not buy more tickling clips?

Given that:
• The TMF welcomes women the same as men. Is not because they are not welcome, and in the privacy of their own computers they can do what they want.
• The tickling fetish “inside doors” is probably 50/50, if you believe what the TMF people tell about their lives.

Your might reflect about the fate of “Playgirl” the female version of “Playboy”, the daughter of Hugh Hefner, axed it years ago, or menaced to do it, and explained that it only sold 15 %, 1 in 6, compared to “Playboy”.
I do not think in the era of the web, we can blame this on society or morality. The TMF itself is open totally to women in, and women can buy and download anything they might fancy.

One hypothesis could be that women do not get the same amount of sexual gratification from simple contemplation of the other sex, i.e., they like to do, to tickle, instead of watching somebody tickling somebody. Therefore, they expend their money they work hard for in something else or in a different type of gratification.
Neither is that there are not women on the porn or tickling clip business, actually running the business (think Addie Juniper or Charlee} so these women ought to know what women like, and would do a tailored product with what women like it in order to sell it and made a profit if they think they can sell it. However, it does not seem to happen that way, the main dish is always X/F, not X/M.

I am not saying that all women do not care about buying clips, I just saying that the women that do and buy clips are in a minority and therefore do not represent a sizable portion of the market to justify the effort of making clips for them. I do not think society or morality has much to do, women do not seem to have the same interest in watching clips as men do.

I am not saying this has to be this way forever, things evolve and change with technology and science. Think about the Pill as an example. Before the pill a woman have no control of her sexuality because like in all female mammals sex is inseparable from reproduction, a bit of fun and soon 9 months of pregnancy and babies, the lot. For men it was different, they could have all the sex they wanted without any danger of getting pregnant. In fact, they could go all their life having sex and not giving a dam about it. Then the Pill arrived and the human female was free, the same as men, the only mammal female in control, that could have sex for the pleasure of it, not worrying about anything. That changed everything in the planet. With that freedom, the women liberation went from an expression of desire to a fact of life. In 50 years or less, thousand of years of morality hit the dust, a woman could not only desire to do what she wanted, she could do what she wanted, as long as she could have access to the technology of the pill. My bet is that the sexuality of women will change in the next years a lot because of the pill, that allowed they to have sex without automatically getting pregnant. So maybe today the human female does not enjoy so much buying clips, but maybe tomorrow she will. The sky is the limit.

The tickling fetish also changed completely after the web allowed communication like the TMF or Tickle Theater. Before the technological revolution of the web, the best you could have was a magazine, no sound, and what is tickling without the sound of laughter? Downloading allowed each person to look for what he/she wanted, without leaving the privacy of their own home, and no matter of which sex the person in question was. If they cannot see you, they cannot judge you. In addition, the big companies that dominated the business, were challenged by small producers armed with cheap but very reliable technology, and soon the Clip4Sale business model kick in.

My point is, nowadays there are no (as far as I can see) obstacles of any kind or type to anybody who thinks to earn some money by selling clips to women today, the only real challenge is to get the women to buy them, that is the holly grail. Either nobody nailed the right product yet or women are not so fond (at least for the time being) of sexual gratification by clips.

About your second point, that’s a matter of good manners, intolerance would always exist. The clips are like a buffet, everybody can fill his/her plate with what they want. I personally do not like any F/M with the exception of “Priscilla tickles a man”, clips 6003/6. But, then again it was Priscilla.

Maybe you can start a thread for the women in the TMF to tell to the producers what they want, how do they want it, and get your desire for a product tailored for your F/M taste to hit the market. Thanks to the TMF you got a formidable channel to reach over 80000 people in the world, and many producers. No much to lose in giving it a shoot. Is true that you would be just a little grain of sand….but beaches are made of little grains of sand.
 
Hi little hellion,

I felt compelled to respond to what you wrote simply because I see where you are coming from. You see, I myself used to greet the idea of a male ticklee with some of the same narrow-minded notions you mentioned. But as I discovered tickle sites such as Tickle Abuse and JW Ties (among others), it was inevitable that I would encounter F/M clips. One day I just decided to check one out, and it wasn't that bad. Definitely did not make me feel "gay" to enjoy a couple of those video clips. I'm not saying that male ticklee vids are my thing, but I'm definitely open to them. In fact, since I became more open-minded, I discovered that many of the best F/F and M/F tickling sites usually have a F/M and sometimes even M/M tickling. And you know what? That's alright with me!
 
Many thanks to PorcelainDoll2 for posting those Youtube links. Holy moly. It reminds of what little 'lee action I get.

Yes, many thanks PorcelainDoll2. I've tickled mens feet before( again..not on purpose) but those vids showed me a side I didn't know existed to such an extent.
 
I'm more of the opinion that a real man should be strong enough to give a woman what she wants, even if that means ceding control and looking silly once in a while. If a woman is purely a lee that's one thing, but if she's a ler or switch, I would think less of a guy who refused to let her tickle him, simply because of some macho bs about f/m making him gay.

That's exactly the way I live by. I am a switch and love the idea of a girl tickling me silly and making me into a giggly mess. I don't feel like less of man because of it. The number one thing is that men need to keep the women happy
 
I'm not playing psychologist

But anyone who doesn't see the dominance females have in the boy-girl game isn't paying attention. From everything I've seen in the mating process, women are in control of men, doing the hiring and firing at the dating level, running the show in marriage, and when a marriage goes bust, they see it first and are likelier to ask for a divorce.

I've known plenty of girls who liked to tickle their guys. In the context of her dominance, playing the 'ler to her man's 'lee is as natural for a woman as any of the wonderful ways girls are different from boys. If more female-male tickling arrangements have the man dominant tickler to the woman, I think that's because women put so much effort into their relationships with men, playing tickle submissive to their guys is just part of that, another way for a woman to please her man. And with some of those girls, getting tickled is like taking a break from all the responsibility they assume, a temporary escape from the burden they carry.
 
But anyone who doesn't see the dominance females have in the boy-girl game isn't paying attention. From everything I've seen in the mating process, women are in control of men, doing the hiring and firing at the dating level, running the show in marriage, and when a marriage goes bust, they see it first and are likelier to ask for a divorce.

Dominance? Control?what are you talking about?, Women are very submissive and wait for their men to enter the scene and tickle them.....like the spider waits for the fly.:rotate::rotate:: :spider:

And not only that, spiders got their own super rope stronger that Kevlar, to tied up their flies in order to methodically tickle them to death before eating them. Spider do not have venom, that is a legend they use tickle torture on their victims. Yes spider are very submissive, they wait for their flies....
 
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I must admit that f/m is still my third favorite after f/f and m/f, but a quality f/m clip with a playful and at the same time evil female 'ler has increasingly more appeal. Its fun to picture myself in these situations. While I have no interest in m/m, I'm not about to disparage anyone who does and I'm glad people who are interested have the opportunity to view it. I have interests that everyone here doesn't necessarily share (plus-sized women as both ler and lee, for example). The diversity of interests and preferences is one of the things that has made the TMF worth my browsing time for almost 10 years now.
 
Oooh yes, watching a cute guy get tickled mercilessly is absolutely delicious! 😱
 
However, what's worse is not only the relative dearth of F/M material, but the condescension, and sometimes even outright hostility, toward media that features male lees. This attitude is fairly common in the online community at large, where F/M clips are absurdly branded as "gay" by people who aren't into it (seriously?? how is a guy getting tickled by a beautiful woman "gay"??).

Amen! Being a man who very much enjoys being tickled by women,
I have to agree 100%. I enjoy watching F/F and F/M because, well, what's not to like? I'm not watching the F/M because of the man. I'm watching it because I'm putting myself in his shoes (or out of them as happens to be the case)! :devil:
 
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