How racist are you?

[jaba]

I'm not about to allow anyone to define me, and Michael Richards shouldn't be either, because I don't think Michael Richards is a racist, and Michael Richards says he knows he's not a racist. I think he's sorry that he lost his temper and called some rude black guy a nigger. Should he be sorry? Only if he feels he was more rude to that black guy than that black guy was to him. Obviously he thinks that's the case, and he apologized.


Michael Richards
may not be a racist, but he is a huge pussy.

So ,based on his statements, or some other criteria that I am not aware of, you have formed the conclusion that you "don't think Michael Richards is a racist"? As I stated before, I really don't know if he is or is not....but let me create a little scenario.....

Lets say you and another man are walking down the street and you both stop at the corner at a red light. A black man approaches you two, and the black man bumps into the guy you are walking with, steps on his shoe, and the black guy rudely walks away with no apology or comment....

The guy you are walking with looks derisively at the black man and says, " fucking nigger......fifty years ago they would have stuck a pitchfork up his ass"......

Then this man looks at you and says, "I'm not racist".......

I can understand someone observing that scenario and saying," I don't know if that guy is a racist, he may truly not be, he may just be angry"....

or I can understand someone saying, "based on that guys comments, there is a possibility that he is a racist, despite his telling me that he is not".....

What I do NOT understand, Wendy, is how YOU arrive at YOUR conclusion that you" don't think the man is racist"?.....how do you make that leap?

What is YOUR criteria to automatically form the conclusion that Michael Richards is NOT racist? Is it because of Michael Richards "sincere" public apology?

Is there something that I do not know about Michael Richards that you know, that leads you to believe he is not racist? Perhaps your proof can lead us all to form that opinion......because despite the fact that you "don't think that Michael Richards is racist", I have not seen enough evidence to support your conclusions, based on his inflammatory comments....despite what you "think", I truly do NOT know, but his statements sure make a strong argument to me that he harbors racist sentiments, and may in fact be "racist"........

How did you and I arrive at such divergent conclusions?

Was his "public apology" enough evidence for you?......

 

[brianspencer66]

That's exactly what he is. Pick other examples across races as you will. I'm not about to allow anyone to define me, and Michael Richards shouldn't be either, because I don't think Michael Richards is a racist, and Michael Richards says he knows he's not a racist. I think he's sorry that he lost his temper and called some rude black guy a nigger. Should he be sorry? Only if he feels he was more rude to that black guy than that black guy was to him. Obviously he thinks that's the case, and he apologized. Next. But I'll be damned if I would have sought forgiveness from Jesse Jackson, who's in the business of creating racism where there is none.

A person who is not a racist but allows others to define him as one is a huge pussy. Michael Richards should have known that people like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson would parade him around and brand him with the scarlet letter, but he would never, ever get absolution. Maybe he just like like being flogged. Michael Richards may not be a racist, but he is a huge pussy.[/QUOTE]

Yes how do you come to this conclusion that Michael Richards is not a racist?
it seems like your saying its ok at times for whites to call black people nigger under certain circumstances. Some of your post makes sense and then you seem to find a way to dig yourself deeper in a hole Wendy? Why is that? As far as Jessie and Al Sharpton is concerned well he sought them out for a reason they did not seek him out. Its called damage control. And speaking of derogatory terms you go on to call the guy a "pussy". How many women reading this would like reading that term? Last time I heard that was in high school. How old are you anyway?

 

[brianspencer66]

Ive noticed that a black comedian can make fun of white people and their short commings but a white comedian can't do the same...otherwise its considered racist.

Have you seen how many white people laugh at those jokes too when they see black Comics? And by the way black comics get on black people too and white people laugh equally as hard at those jokes I dont feel offended when they do that.

 

[wendynpeter]

Yes how do you come to this conclusion that Michael Richards is not a racist?

I said "I don't think Michael Richards is a racist," not "Michael Richards is not a racist." I said that because he said "I am not a racist," because he was obviously distraught over the incident, and tried to apologize right away at the club and for many days thereafter. That doesn't lead me to conclude he's not a racist, but it leads me to believe that he is not.

it seems like your saying its ok at times for whites to call black people nigger under certain circumstances. Some of your post makes sense and then you seem to find a way to dig yourself deeper in a hole Wendy?

Well, then let me clear that right up for you. That's exactly what I'm saying. And I'm not the only one saying it. As I pointed out very early on in these race threads, Chris Rock said it best. (I also call white people "white trash," and "redneck" when it's obvious that's what they are.)

Let me give you and example. Down in Virginia, the people of Richmond are mourning the first anniversary of the home invasion and quadruple murder of an entire family, including 5 and 7 year-old daughters. I'm confident that it's ok to call the two fine examples of humanity responsible for that "niggers." I'd be saying something just as ugly about them if they were white or hispanic. That does not make me a racist. If you think it does, that doesn't bother me in the slightest, because it doesn't change the truth about me.

And speaking of derogatory terms you go on to call the guy a "pussy". How many women reading this would like reading that term? Last time I heard that was in high school.

You must have just graduated.

 

[jaba]

Hey Wendy....

So ,based on his statements, or some other criteria that I am not aware of, you have formed the conclusion that you "don't think Michael Richards is a racist"? As I stated before, I really don't know if he is or is not....but let me create a little scenario.....

Lets say you and another man are walking down the street and you both stop at the corner at a red light. A black man approaches you two, and the black man bumps into the guy you are walking with, steps on his shoe, and the black guy rudely walks away with no apology or comment....

The guy you are walking with looks derisively at the black man and says, " fucking nigger......fifty years ago they would have stuck a pitchfork up his ass"......

Then this man looks at you and says, "I'm not racist".......

I can understand someone observing that scenario and saying," I don't know if that guy is a racist, he may truly not be, he may just be angry"....

or I can understand someone saying, "based on that guys comments, there is a possibility that he is a racist, despite his telling me that he is not".....

What I do NOT understand, Wendy, is how YOU arrive at YOUR conclusion that you" don't think the man is racist"?.....how do you make that leap?

What is YOUR criteria to automatically form the conclusion that Michael Richards is NOT racist? Is it because of Michael Richards "sincere" public apology?

Is there something that I do not know about Michael Richards that you know, that leads you to believe he is not racist? Perhaps your proof can lead us all to form that opinion......because despite the fact that you "don't think that Michael Richards is racist", I have not seen enough evidence to support your conclusions, based on his inflammatory comments....despite what you "think", I truly do NOT know, but his statements sure make a strong argument to me that he harbors racist sentiments, and may in fact be "racist"........

How did you and I arrive at such divergent conclusions?

Was his "public apology" enough evidence for you?......

Hey Wendy.....

at some point are you going to adress my above questions to you?

 

[jaba]

which is it, wendy?

All of that begs the question of my argument. Which is -- no need for backpeddling. Well, maybe in the case of Mel Gibson, who probably is a racist. It's interesting that you make no distinction between Michael Richards and Mel Gibson. But if you know the definition of 'racist' and you are not a racist, then there absolutely no need to hide anything.

so...... Mel Gibson "apologizes for many days thereafter", and is "obviously distraight over the incident" but is still a "probable racist", in your opinion....


and you say.....

I said," I don't think michael Richards is a racist," not" Michael Richards is not racist". I said that because he said,' I am not a racist," because he was obviously distraught over the incident, and tried to apologize right away at the club, and for many days thereafter. that doesn't lead me to "conclude" he's not a racist, but it leads me to "believe" he is not.

but Michael Richards "apologizes and is distraught", and that leads you " to believe he is "not " racist".....


is ANYBODY here following Wendy's line of reasoning?.......

 

[kis123]

I said "I don't think Michael Richards is a racist," not "Michael Richards is not a racist." I said that because he said "I am not a racist," because he was obviously distraught over the incident, and tried to apologize right away at the club and for many days thereafter. That doesn't lead me to conclude he's not a racist, but it leads me to believe that he is not.



Well, then let me clear that right up for you. That's exactly what I'm saying. And I'm not the only one saying it. As I pointed out very early on in these race threads, Chris Rock said it best. (I also call white people "white trash," and "redneck" when it's obvious that's what they are.)

Let me give you and example. Down in Virginia, the people of Richmond are mourning the first anniversary of the home invasion and quadruple murder of an entire family, including 5 and 7 year-old daughters. I'm confident that it's ok to call the two fine examples of humanity responsible for that "niggers." I'd be saying something just as ugly about them if they were white or hispanic. That does not make me a racist. If you think it does, that doesn't bother me in the slightest, because it doesn't change the truth about me.



You must have just graduated.

Wendy, you're slipping again!

The word "nigger" wasn't created to demean those who aren't worthy to live; it was created to demean, humiliate, and dehumanize NEGROES. If you're looking at this any other way, you are in error, plain and simple.

Oh, and if you would say something about non-blacks, then what would you say? What race-related names would you call them, especially if the perpetrators were white? Would you use racially-charged language at all?

That was the problem with Richards, he went straight for the race jugular and only apologized when it was caught on tape and exposed. And his stumbling, stammering, piss-poor excuse for an apology didn't do much for me at all! Like I've been saying, once you say something, you can apologize all you want, but you can never take the words away or the pain they inflict. That goes across all lines of race, gender, religion, etc.....

And, as a female, I wasn't too thrilled about your "p" word comment either. It's called a vagina and I take personal exception to those who loosely throw vulgarity about a woman's (or a man's) sexual organs. But if this is the best form of communication that you have and it makes you feel better when you post, then you are an adult and can pretty much say whatever you want.

 

[Ticklerguy4u]

Have you seen how many white people laugh at those jokes too when they see black Comics? And by the way black comics get on black people too and white people laugh equally as hard at those jokes I dont feel offended when they do that.

im not saying black comics don't make fun of blacks. Im saying that I noticed that not to many white comics make fun of blacks and I think it may be because they are afraid of a backlash. However at the same time, I noticed that black comics aren't really too concerned about making fun of white people.

Is it because the white community doesn't take themselves seriously and can laugh at themselves no matter what color the comedian is?

 

[venray]

I believe that everyone is in some form racist, not by choice, but by the design of our brains. Meth

Perhaps we could redesign your brain for you.... 😛 😛

 

[brianspencer66]

I said "I don't think Michael Richards is a racist," not "Michael Richards is not a racist." I said that because he said "I am not a racist," because he was obviously distraught over the incident, and tried to apologize right away at the club and for many days thereafter. That doesn't lead me to conclude he's not a racist, but it leads me to believe that he is not.



Well, then let me clear that right up for you. That's exactly what I'm saying. And I'm not the only one saying it. As I pointed out very early on in these race threads, Chris Rock said it best. (I also call white people "white trash," and "redneck" when it's obvious that's what they are.)

Let me give you and example. Down in Virginia, the people of Richmond are mourning the first anniversary of the home invasion and quadruple murder of an entire family, including 5 and 7 year-old daughters. I'm confident that it's ok to call the two fine examples of humanity responsible for that "niggers." I'd be saying something just as ugly about them if they were white or hispanic. That does not make me a racist. If you think it does, that doesn't bother me in the slightest, because it doesn't change the truth about me.



You must have just graduated.

Dude he is distraught over a possible blacklist of his career. You believe anything these people say dont you?And I see you had to bring up some textbood crime that happened were the perps happen to be african americans. Why are people who do such deeds not simpy pathetic scum? why the need to justify that with ugly ethnic slurs? Why the need to call the man (Michael Richards) a pussy and insult women? And sorry I dont call white people honkies or crackers or white trash I choose to take a higher road and god knows my people suffered but I wont lower myself to that level.

 

[mrmiguu]

Yeah, the key word there is 'modern.' That's a ridiculous, self-serving definition, designed to exclude minorities form the very possiblity that they could be defined as racists. Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.

A racist is anyone who believes one race is inferior to another. Black people who go around talking about "Europeans" and how they are the scurge of the Earth are just as racist as anyone else who would dismiss an entire race of people.

And this is exactly where I think our emotionality clouds our reasoning abilities. I, along with many others, would never assert that the people we like to call minorities could never be racist. I know for a fact that I have been prejudiced and have allowed these prejudices to cloud my vision of who I thought a certain person or group of people could be. If I even slightly thought that my prejudices and then socio-political power hampered the personal or group development/access/mobility of that group, then I would definitely fall into the category of being a racist. Yes, certain ways of thinking and speaking can be categorized as racist, but that system of racism cannot be disconnected from its power dynamic. If we divorce it from the larger complex of classism and the capitalistic thought that gives rise to it so (un)naturally, then we lose the root and basis of our desire to adequately destroy it in our lives. We then start saying things that everyone is racist, everyone hates and everyone has racsim "hardwired" as I think someone suggested. As having been a person who has suffered the pains of racsism, I am EXTREMELY clear on the dynamics that have created it and keep it going in this society. To suggest that "minorities" are just trying to dodge being racist is a narrow and emotionally-driven suggestion that only serves to deepen divides and side-step the history that it actually was European people who presided over the creation of the societies that institutionalized racism, classism and sexism to the degrees that we saw them and see them. To suggest that EVERY European person is racist is narrow and emotionally-driven and without precedent.....and is PREJUDICED.....PREJUDICED....borne OUT of the system of racism that spawned its birth. I personally call "white" people Europeans because I know it's important for all people to remember that we ALL have cultural/geographical roots that help to define, not only our history, but our present and future....whiteness and blackness talk of color and pain and narrow understanding....European, African, Asian, NATIVE American and other terms place us solidly and bravely back on the pages of historical clarity where we all belong.

It is important to know the difference between the thought dynamic of prejudice and the power dynamic of racism. Even a moment of honest, genuine introspection will help us to see that. In that I am 100% assured. I've seen it happen. Watch a movie called "The Color of Fear" and alot of this stuff will become clear to us.

We can brand anybody any label we please, but if it doesn't give us clarity to move forward into the light of positive human development, then we can throw it on the dung heap of botched historical discussions that are miles high. Whether Michael Richards is a racist or just prejudiced is not my concern, ultimately, as he has no way of directly withholding access to me in anything that I seek to endeavor. Now if the the modern Hollywood system of cinema creation makes it exceedingly difficult for Spike Lee to get the same access to distribution and funding than it does Steven Spielberg, then we can talk racsim.....if it's about Spike being an African person...if Spike was a sucky director, no sweat.....merit!.....but that's not the issue for Spike.

Let's hold off on the name-calling/labelling and turn up the heat on the SYSTEMIC instances that actually impact lives and livelihoods. Watch the HBO cablecast "The Corner" and you will begin to see how racsim lives in the lives of people in our world in our country (I say "our" loosely!)....but let's look at SYSTEMIC dynamics, access, mobility issues....and then when we can point a finger to a person and people (and we WILL), then we have a real conversation about something that will actually have a positive human impact in this day and time.

Peace to all who tickle here,

 

[wendynpeter]

Dude he is distraught over a possible blacklist of his career. You believe anything these people say dont you?

I believe him. You may very well be right, even though his career won't suffer in the slightest over this. Jessie Jackson's didn't either -- in time, it all blows over... Not that Michael Richards had much of a career after Seinfeld. I hope he didn't really need one, as much money as they all made.

And I see you had to bring up some textbood crime that happened were the perps happen to be african americans.

Gee Brian, you make it sound like a rare thing.

Why are people who do such deeds not simpy pathetic scum? why the need to justify that with ugly ethnic slurs?

Because part of why they did what they did was because they are part of the black thug culture and that needs to be said? As long as there is a black thug culture that's glorified in the mainstream, there's going to be a strong racial element to black crime.

Why the need to call the man (Michael Richards) a pussy and insult women?

You really can let that go. Just as many women use that word to decribe weaklings as men.

And sorry I dont call white people honkies or crackers or white trash I choose to take a higher road and god knows my people suffered but I wont lower myself to that level.

I'm very proud of you. You're an angel.

 

[wendynpeter]

And this is exactly where I think our emotionality clouds our reasoning abilities. I, along with many others, would never assert that the people we like to call minorities could never be racist. I know for a fact that I have been prejudiced and have allowed these prejudices to cloud my vision of who I thought a certain person or group of people could be. If I even slightly thought that my prejudices and then socio-political power hampered the personal or group development/access/mobility of that group, then I would definitely fall into the category of being a racist.

Your post reads like a modern textbook for a survey course in sociology. The fact is that the most raging racists out there have zero effect on any group's developmen/access/mobility. All it takes to be a racist is a belief that other races are inferior to your own.

Yes, certain ways of thinking and speaking can be categorized as racist

Yes, like the form that goes "All races are inferior to mine," and its analogs.

but that system of racism cannot be disconnected from its power dynamic.

You're begging the question. Yes, it certainly can. Using power to enforce racist doctrine is something else.

If we divorce it from the larger complex of classism and the capitalistic thought that gives rise to it so (un)naturally, then we lose the root and basis of our desire to adequately destroy it in our lives.

I'll pretend this makes sense. Classism has existed in far more non-capitalistic settings than in capitalistic ones. Classism exists in every single society. And so does racism, even among people of the same race (ex. Japanese vs Chinese).

We then start saying things that everyone is racist...

We realize that a lot of people don't know the definition of "racist"?

To suggest that "minorities" are just trying to dodge being racist is a narrow and emotionally-driven suggestion that only serves to deepen divides and side-step the history that it actually was European people who presided over the creation of the societies that institutionalized racism, classism and sexism to the degrees that we saw them and see them.

That's complete bullshit. You think none of that ever existed on the African or Asian continent? You're kidding yourself.

I personally call "white" people Europeans because I know it's important for all people to remember that we ALL have cultural/geographical roots that help to define, not only our history, but our present and future....

Yeah, well, except that I'm not European, I'm American. My grandfather was European. He was also an engineer. I'm no more European than I am an engineer. So I'd really appreciate it if you'd not call all "white" people Europeans.

whiteness and blackness talk of color and pain and narrow understanding....European, African, Asian, NATIVE American and other terms place us solidly and bravely back on the pages of historical clarity where we all belong.

I'd just as soon move forward, thanks. Understanding history is one thing, but I don't "belong" on the "pages of historical clarity." I belong in and to the 21st century, where people of all races, religions, genders, sexual orientations can work together to create Microsoft and YouTube and Sony and Toyota, while people who live in the "pages of historical clarity" work together to teach college, or serve us hot fries.

It is important to know the difference between the thought dynamic of prejudice and the power dynamic of racism. Even a moment of honest, genuine introspection will help us to see that. In that I am 100% assured. I've seen it happen. Watch a movie called "The Color of Fear" and alot of this stuff will become clear to us.

Yeah... I don't really trust Hollywood to teach me what to think, thanks.

We can brand anybody any label we please, but if it doesn't give us clarity to move forward into the light of positive human development, then we can throw it on the dung heap of botched historical discussions that are miles high. Whether Michael Richards is a racist or just prejudiced is not my concern, ultimately, as he has no way of directly withholding access to me in anything that I seek to endeavor. Now if the the modern Hollywood system of cinema creation makes it exceedingly difficult for Spike Lee to get the same access to distribution and funding than it does Steven Spielberg, then we can talk racsim.....if it's about Spike being an African person...if Spike was a sucky director, no sweat.....merit!.....but that's not the issue for Spike.

No, the issue for Spike is that he's had more than a few chances, but he's a one-trick pony with an axe to grind. Hollywood's about selling tickets, not giving people with terminal race paranoia a place to vent.

Let's hold off on the name-calling/labelling and turn up the heat on the SYSTEMIC instances that actually impact lives and livelihoods. Watch the HBO cablecast "The Corner" and you will begin to see how racsim lives in the lives of people in our world in our country (I say "our" loosely!)....but let's look at SYSTEMIC dynamics, access, mobility issues....and then when we can point a finger to a person and people (and we WILL), then we have a real conversation about something that will actually have a positive human impact in this day and time.

How about lets talk about what actually happens as opposed to what HBO says happens? Look, the racism issue is like the crime issue. If you watch TV, you probably think that crime is rampant, given the number of CSIs and Law and Orders and Cops, etc., ad nauseum. People love to watch programs about criminals. They love to watch documentaries on Hitler too. And they love to watch programs about racism and racists. For some reason, people like to keep in touch with evil. Some people like to believe it's always right outside their door. But the truth is that it's a global economy now and ideas rule. If you have to great ideas, you win, no matter what color your are.

Peace to all who tickle here,

Peace to you as well!!

 

[kis123]

I believe him. You may very well be right, even though his career won't suffer in the slightest over this. Jessie Jackson's didn't either -- in time, it all blows over... Not that Michael Richards had much of a career after Seinfeld. I hope he didn't really need one, as much money as they all made.



Gee Brian, you make it sound like a rare thing.



Because part of why they did what they did was because they are part of the black thug culture and that needs to be said? As long as there is a black thug culture that's glorified in the mainstream, there's going to be a strong racial element to black crime.



You really can let that go. Just as many women use that word to decribe weaklings as men.



I'm very proud of you. You're an angel.

You believe Richards? Good for you because many (black and white) don't. What's interesting about this is that most of the whites I know thought his actions were appalling as they well were. They weren't making excuses for his behavior and were pretty much ashamed of him. I was actually surprised they would hold the dialogue around me at all considering they didn't know what my response would be.

I no of NO woman who uses that awful term. I find it vulgar and disgusting and so do many of the women I choose to have around me. To be exact, I rarely swear at all; I find it ignorant, immature, unprofessional and un-ladylike. People who constanatly curse hurt my ears! We have the English language for a reason; it wouldn't hurt for people to use it intelligently.

Let's chat about that black thug culture thing for a bit. Are you telling me that only blacks have a thug culture? How about whites? How about Asians? How about Hispanics? Only blacks huh?

The movies and music that glorify your so-called black thug culture are funded by white movie companies. They'll use blacks to promote their clothing, liquor, and anything else, then act as if they don't need us or our money. Now how about that for BS? You have HP using Jay Z and Pharrell to promote their computers-they couldn't have anyone else promoting thier stuff who doesn't have the reputation some of these guys have? Do you think those white companies don't know about these reputations? As long as they can make money off their backs, these white-owned companies will benefit.

Blacks aren't the only ones committing crimes out here either-if you believe that you are solely fooling yourself. Just because blacks make up the high percentage of those in jail only means racial profiling and our pathetic justice system works. It doesn't mean that non-blacks don't commit crimes. And the white perpetrators are getting younger too; in my state two of them just went to jail for gunning down a store clerk and a customre who just happened to be buying formula for her baby-both perps were 19. Believe me, there are plenty of crimes being committed by other races, they just don't get much press.

 

[wendynpeter]

You believe Richards? Good for you because many (black and white) don't. What's interesting about this is that most of the whites I know thought his actions were appalling as they well were. They weren't making excuses for his behavior and were pretty much ashamed of him. I was actually surprised they would hold the dialogue around me at all considering they didn't know what my response would be.

I'm not saying that his actions weren't appalling. I'm saying that what he said, by itself, does not mkae him a racist. There's a huge difference. He's a racist if he believes that all white people are superior to all black people. I don't think he believes that.

I no of NO woman who uses that awful term. I find it vulgar and disgusting and so do many of the women I choose to have around me. To be exact, I rarely swear at all; I find it ignorant, immature, unprofessional and un-ladylike. People who constanatly curse hurt my ears! We have the English language for a reason; it wouldn't hurt for people to use it intelligently.

I'm happy for you. You obviously float above the rest of us.

Let's chat about that black thug culture thing for a bit. Are you telling me that only blacks have a thug culture? How about whites? How about Asians? How about Hispanics? Only blacks huh?

Yes, only blacks. That whole ghetto rap original gangsta from the hood nigga pop a cap in yo ass get mines thing is a black thing. Whites, hispanics, and asians certainly do buy into that shit, but it's a black thing. I hope you aren't trying to deny that.

The movies and music that glorify your so-called black thug culture are funded by white movie companies.

Written, directed by and starring black people.

They'll use blacks to promote their clothing, liquor, and anything else, then act as if they don't need us or our money. Now how about that for BS? You have HP using Jay Z and Pharrell to promote their computers-they couldn't have anyone else promoting thier stuff who doesn't have the reputation some of these guys have? Do you think those white companies don't know about these reputations? As long as they can make money off their backs, these white-owned companies will benefit.

And you point is? Jay Z is quite the businessman. I'm sure his publicist got him that gig.

Blacks aren't the only ones committing crimes out here either-if you believe that you are solely fooling yourself.

Duh.

Just because blacks make up the high percentage of those in jail only means racial profiling and our pathetic justice system works.

OK, now that's bullshit. Blacks have a crime problem. You know it and I know it. Let's not blame racism for the fact that violent criminals go to jail.

It doesn't mean that non-blacks don't commit crimes. And the white perpetrators are getting younger too; in my state two of them just went to jail for gunning down a store clerk and a customre who just happened to be buying formula for her baby-both perps were 19. Believe me, there are plenty of crimes being committed by other races, they just don't get much press.

I'm well aware of that. And I don't know where you live, but here, violent crime gets press no matter who the "perps" are.

 

[kis123]

I'm not saying that his actions weren't appalling. I'm saying that what he said, by itself, does not mkae him a racist. There's a huge difference. He's a racist if he believes that all white people are superior to all black people. I don't think he believes that.



I'm happy for you. You obviously float above the rest of us.



Yes, only blacks. That whole ghetto rap original gangsta from the hood nigga pop a cap in yo ass get mines thing is a black thing. Whites, hispanics, and asians certainly do buy into that shit, but it's a black thing. I hope you aren't trying to deny that.



Written, directed by and starring black people.



And you point is? Jay Z is quite the businessman. I'm sure his publicist got him that gig.



Duh.



OK, now that's bullshit. Blacks have a crime problem. You know it and I know it. Let's not blame racism for the fact that violent criminals go to jail.



I'm well aware of that. And I don't know where you live, but here, violent crime gets press no matter who the "perps" are.

Wendy, now I see why you toss the BS word around so much! You're quite versed in it.

It doesn't matter who writes and stars in anything, it's who's paying the money. I can write a novel and screenplay but they'll never reach the shelves or big screen unless someone BRINGS THE MONEY!! And these white corporations bring the cash!

Oh, and JayZ has enough of his own money and doesn't need another gig. These corporations seek these guys out so they can do the selling to the black community, plain and simple.

The media does NOT publicize white violent criminals in the same way they do with blacks. Even you should know better than that.

Do you think the only folks going gangsta are black? Now you really need to pull your head out the sand. Where do you think the term "whigger" came from? Come to my neighborhood and you will see thugs in many races: black, white, hispanic, and asian or at least their wannabee counterparts. Besides, not everyone who listens to, watches, wears the rap/gangsta/thug culture actually are. They like the clothes, music, movies; that doesn't make them go rob a convenience store. If that were the case myself and my children would be in it as well. I watch the videos on occasion, my kids wear the clothes sometimes and occasionally we'll watch the movies on cable. Does that make us black thugs too?

So all blacks have a crime problem? There you go again with the stereotypes! And you wonder why some are wondering about where you stand on racial issues? We have a bigger problem with racial profiling and the justice system that gives stiffer sentences and more jail time to blacks than any other race. Well, now Middle Easterners have taken our place, but it took them to kill over 3000 people to do it!

I wonder if your "black friends" read your posts, would they remain your friends. I certainly would at the least, question your thought processes when it comes to blacks.

And as far as floating above anyone is concerned, I always beleived that English was a good enough method to communicate. I don't need to swear every other word to get a point across. That is unless I'm pushed to entreme anger and I rarely allow anyone to take me there. I'm not a moral compass, it's just common sense to me. Your commentary, as usual, meant very little.

 

[jaba]

I'm sorry folks, I'm in the wrong thread....

I'm sorry folks, it seems I'm in the wrong thread....

Apparently, this thread is the, " hi, I'm Wendy, and I have stated here that I believe that the "DRUNK" Mel Gibson, who made "racially insensitive statements", and who later "apologized", IS a "racist", but a "SOBER" Michael Richards, who made "racially insensitive statements" and later "apologized", I believe is NOT a "racist",.....

and rather than adress the "numerous" requests for a clarification of this apparently contradictory position of mine, I would rather dodge and ignore the challenges here to my statements, and would rather go and challenge the statements of others here" thread....

I APOLOGIZE, folks, for being in the wrong thread......I thought this thread was for the creation of "rational" opinions and statements and beliefs, and having the courage to defend them......apparently I was wrong...

 

[wendynpeter]

Wendy, now I see why you toss the BS word around so much! You're quite versed in it.

It doesn't matter who writes and stars in anything, it's who's paying the money. I can write a novel and screenplay but they'll never reach the shelves or big screen unless someone BRINGS THE MONEY!! And these white corporations bring the cash!

Jesus. Complain if Hollywood won't make movies written and directed by black people, then rufuse toaccept any responsibility for the content when they do. Sweet deal. I'm sure there's something racist in all of that, too.

Oh, and JayZ has enough of his own money and doesn't need another gig. These corporations seek these guys out so they can do the selling to the black community, plain and simple.

Are you Jay Z's manager? How do you fucking know what he wants or needs? If he didn't want to gig, he wouldn't have taken the gig. Jesus. Complain if Madison Avenue won't hire blacks to pitch racial non-specific products, then disavow the black peolpe they do hire. Sweet deal. I'm sure there's something racial in all of that.

The media does NOT publicize white violent criminals in the same way they do with blacks. Even you should know better than that.

Yes, they do.

Do you think the only folks going gangsta are black? Now you really need to pull your head out the sand.

I didn't say that. I said black people invented it. And that 's true.

Where do you think the term "whigger" came from?

A derivative of "nigger." My point exactly. White people trying desperately to become part of the black thug culture.

Come to my neighborhood and you will see thugs in many races: black, white, hispanic, and asian or at least their wannabee counterparts.

Keyword: "Wannabe."

I watch the videos on occasion, my kids wear the clothes sometimes and occasionally we'll watch the movies on cable. Does that make us black thugs too?

It means you support the thug culture. I'm sorry to hear you admit that.

 

[wendynpeter]

Continued ...

So all blacks have a crime problem? There you go again with the stereotypes! And you wonder why some are wondering about where you stand on racial issues? We have a bigger problem with racial profiling and the justice system that gives stiffer sentences and more jail time to blacks than any other race. Well, now Middle Easterners have taken our place, but it took them to kill over 3000 people to do it!

A) I didn't cause black males to have the highest per capita ratio of criminals in the country...
B) The justice system gives stiffer sentences to repeat offenders. Let's look at first time offenders of the exact same offense with clean records and see if there is any difference in sentencing.

I wonder if your "black friends" read your posts, would they remain your friends. I certainly would at the least, question your thought processes when it comes to blacks.

Most of my black friends come from Africa and Jamaica. You should hear what they have to say about American blacks.

And as far as floating above anyone is concerned, I always beleived that English was a good enough method to communicate. I don't need to swear every other word to get a point across. That is unless I'm pushed to entreme anger and I rarely allow anyone to take me there. I'm not a moral compass, it's just common sense to me. Your commentary, as usual, meant very little.

Judging by the dissertation you wrote in response, I'd say you're underestimating how much my comments mean to you.

 

[jaba]

A racist is anyone who believes one race is inferior to another. QUOTE]

No, according to your other posts, you believe a racist is a drunk movie star who makes racially offensive comments and then publically apologizes for them (Mel Gibson)....

On the other hand, you think a sober T V star who makes racially offensive comments and then publically apologizes for them is "not racist" (Michael Richards), so who really knows what YOU believe?

I don't think YOU even know what you think.....

 

[kis123]

Wendy, I've come to the conclusion that many words (mine and other black members of this forum) have been basically wasted on you. Africans and Jamicans who commit more than there share of crimes over here then jump on a plane to avoid prosecution are who you call your friends? Give me a friggin' break! No wonder why you have no idea what you're talking about! Hmmm...let's see; How many Nigerian scams have taken money away from people around the world? How many Jamaicans have been known for the drug trades in this country? Let me answer that for you....quite a few! Unlike you, I won't lump them all into one category.

I don't support any thug culture, my dear. I watch, listen, and learn just as I've done with you. You say you're not racist but make broad-brush statements over and over again. You make comments and ignore other's pleas for you to prove yourself. Just stick to the stereotypes and throw in some bad language and there you have it.

Take the time to get to know real blacks in America. Turn off your tv, stop listening to those who were not raised in this country and have the luxury of leaving after they committed their crimes to avoid prosecution and then tell me what you think. You twist words to what you think is your advantage when actually what you're doing is making yourself look like the racist you claim not to be.

I"ve had all the intelligent dialogue I can have with you; you've proven time and time again that it's not what you want. You instead want to tell blacks that you know better than they do and you know just how horrible and worthless we are. Now that you've beaten the problems (that we know already exist in our as well as anyone else's race) what is the solution wendy? It's okay to beat the problem to death, but what is the solution oh greater than blacks white man? Is it not to be black at all? Well, I can bleach my skin, straighten my hair, and pretend to be something I'm not (sound familiar anyone) but what is a real solution from you? Let me help you with that....you don't have one so really all you're doing is spouting a problem that blacks already know exist. Thanks for you take on the black dilemna wendy; it's not like we didn't know it existed.

Since you refuse to believe that there are many black people in THIS COUNTRY who are working towards success with education and hard work, what is your solution? More blacks are in college than ever in the history of this country (and obtaining degrees), but you don't acknowledge that. Just stick with the ones who are in jail and are having problems; that way you'll always have a race-based platform to spew your venom from.

You have proven to me over and over again that your just another white male whining that you're no longer the alpha dog around here. Ever see the movie "white man's burden" with John Travolta? You feel like other races are getting ahead of you so beat up on what you think is lower-leveled than you right? Even the white members on this forum disagree with you yet you keep digging a pit for yourself! You keep claiming you're not racist, yet continue with the stupid stereotypes and attacks on our culture-it's an easy target to hit for you. How about those of us who are educated and fought our way out of poverty? How about those of us who have raised their children properly and are attending college? What about those of us who aren't in and out of jail, not on drugs, and don't have tons of babies? What about whites and other races that are living just as low as you think blacks are? You just dismiss them from the equation, but they're still people living in the hood? What about them wendy-you've said absolutely nothing about them, you just stand on our necks spouting your rhetoric!

Whether you like it or not, your and other's Euro ancestors set the stage-tough crap for you and too bad there's nothing you can do about it. I can't leglislate you to like me but there are laws on the books that make your corporate buddies have to respect me. I'll remember you when I take a good paying job away from your white counterpart because the law says I can. It's the only way I can obtain the 40 acres and my mule! If you don't know what that means you can check your history that you have proven you do not know, but every black person knows what that statement means, I guarantee you.

 

[kis123]

A racist is anyone who believes one race is inferior to another. QUOTE]

No, according to your other posts, you believe a racist is a drunk movie star who makes racially offensive comments and then publically apologizes for them (Mel Gibson)....

On the other hand, you think a sober T V star who makes racially offensive comments and then publically apologizes for them is "not racist" (Michael Richards), so who really knows what YOU believe?

I don't think YOU even know what you think.....

Enough said here!

 

[wendynpeter]

KIS, I read your posts and I think you either don't get it or you pretend you don't get it. Anyway,

Whether you like it or not, your and other's Euro ancestors set the stage-tough crap for you and too bad there's nothing you can do about it.

Tough crap for me?? I'm doing OK. How long are you going to use that as an excuse? Forever, it seems like. Well, OK. If that's the way it has to be, I'll stand by and watch you cut off your nose to spite your face. Good luck with that. You're hurting no one but yourself.

I can't leglislate you to like me but there are laws on the books that make your corporate buddies have to respect me.

Do you think that's true?? That's bullshit. You get exactly the respect you earn. If that's your attitude, I don't image you're getting much respect.

I'll remember you when I take a good paying job away from your white counterpart because the law says I can. It's the only way I can obtain the 40 acres and my mule!

Don't bother thinking about me. That'll be totally wasted time. Instead, think about the fact that every time a person gets a job they aren't fully qualified for just because they are a minority, the respect level drops just that much more. Do you think managers and coworkers don't know when someone can't hack it and is just getting by because of race? EVERYone knows. That doesn't build mutal respect, it drives a wedge between people of different races. Which is obviously fine by lots of black people because they count on that wedge to provide an excuse for why they can't hack it out there in the modern world.

What you don't seem to realize is that while you're stuck on farmland, animals, and the big fuck you to whitey, other people who aren't spending their lives blaming others for their shortcomings are rocketing past you. Sad, really.

 

[Ticklerguy4u]

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Don't bother thinking about me. That'll be totally wasted time. Instead, think about the fact that every time a person gets a job they aren't fully qualified for just because they are a minority, the respect level drops just that much more. Do you think managers and coworkers don't know when someone can't hack it and is just getting by because of race? EVERYone knows. That doesn't build mutal respect, it drives a wedge between people of different races. Which is obviously fine by lots of black people because they count on that wedge to provide an excuse for why they can't hack it out there in the modern world.

This may be true but unless you live on the other side of the coin. You can't really act as if you understand. There may be some jobs that require a certain percentage of minority, but then again...why have that statement. "hire a minority"...A solution is usually made when there is a problem. If it wasn't a problem at one time..there wouldn't of been a need of a solution. Don't kid yourself about it and I wish people would quit refering anyone of non-white origin as a minority. Right there..is a reflection of how the U.S. gov sees it..so again..don't kid yourself about it.

I do realize that some people aren't qualified for a job and get it because of this rule..thats fine. but its no different than say a white person riding on the coat tails of their color as well. When did someone say "we have to hire some minorities for this job..okay, lets get that white guy over there." It never happens..minorities are anyone that is spanish, black, mexican..anyone not considered of white origin or American origin. In my opinion, there are some white people that are as dumb as a box of rocks and hold high positions at a job. Again, lets not kid ourselves.

 

[wendynpeter]

This may be true but unless you live on the other side of the coin. You can't really act as if you understand.

As long as it's true.

If it wasn't a problem at one time..there wouldn't of been a need of a solution.

The Supreme Court has made that distiction very clear: If you can't prove you're solving a problem you have NOW, you cannot reverse-discriminate. So why do so many corporations and governments do it anyway? Because every time someone challenges, the rules change. For now, we are just going to have to live with it. But it's only hurting the people it's meant to help. Every time one black woman gets a job she can't really do, it lowers the respect level -- exponentially. If there's one example of institutional racism in America today, it's the backlash againt affirmative action by the people who observe that it's time to go to a merit-based way of doing things. But even that isn't racism. I clearly see the difference between the affirmative action hires at my job and the black and Indian people who are awesome hires and can kick ass and take names at what they do. I think most people can see that too. I think that right now, affirmative action is hurting black women more than anyone else...

Don't kid yourself about it and I wish people would quit refering anyone of non-white origin as a minority. Right there..is a reflection of how the U.S. gov sees it..so again..don't kid yourself about it.

Yes, true. If the categories are white and non-white, definitely so. If you break things out in finer resolution, though, I think you can still talk about non-white minorities.

I do realize that some people aren't qualified for a job and get it because of this rule..thats fine. but its no different than say a white person riding on the coat tails of their color as well.

True. And when that was a problem, affirmative action was the correct solution. But affirmative action was never meant to be permanent. I see employee populations where affirmative action has resulted in such obvious over correction that it's now something to worried about in terms of civil liability coming the other way.

When did someone say "we have to hire some minorities for this job..okay, lets get that white guy over there." It never happens..minorities are anyone that is spanish, black, mexican..anyone not considered of white origin or American origin. In my opinion, there are some white people that are as dumb as a box of rocks and hold high positions at a job. Again, lets not kid ourselves.

That's true also. There are people who legitimately competed for jobs who turn out to be zeros in every field, I comppletely agree. But hiring someone who you should have known would turn out to be a underperformer because they weren't qualified in the first place is something else altogether, don't you agree?