i need opinions on this (Christian advice as well)

[shylittleme]

i'm still a part of this Christian website online i have been now for about a couple monts. and just recently i've been talking to this one girl on that website for quit some time now and well she's 28 and married and has two lovely little kids. But as we were talking i suddenly opended up to her (since i consider her a really good and trust worthy friend of mine) i opended up to her my hidden secret for Tickling. and i told her this about it and even told her that we could discuss it further about it later on after she wrote back. plus shes pretty strong in the Lord and wants whats best for her and her family and husband and for me as well..... But when i just checked my pm messages today she did write back and here is what she had to say about my hidden secret for Tickling. so i would like your guys HONEST and REAL opinions to all that she said about it before i reply back to her





It's not at all unusual to have an interest in tickling or to like it in THAT context. However, I believe it becomes a sin for you when you seek it on the internet because I can only imagine some of the stuff you'll get pulled up. Also, if having it done to yourself or doing it to someone else stimulates you in that manner then by all means DO NOT allow this to happen because it is lustful in my opinion. If someone does it to you then tell them seriously to stop it. Please don't let Satan use this to interfere with your walk with God.

Within the confines of marriage it's perfectly fine. My husband and I have had tickling lead us to some nice private moments as well.

When you start looking for tickling on the internet it's only going to peak your interest and arousal that much more until you're consumed by thoughts of it especially as an unmarried guy unable to do anything about it. Then ask yourself if you run into nude pics of tickling, will you be able to walk away or will you keep looking for more and more of it and will it end up turning into an extreme fetish for you because of what you've seen (when you do get married will you need this to happen everytime in order for you to have arousal for your wife)?

I hope I've helped. Seek God and he will not turn from you.

Pray pray pray too!!

Windy

 

[featherfingers]

Shylittleme, I need to be very delicate in how I respond because I do not want to offend anyone of any belief... I used to be a Christian but I found that alot of the "Flock" were a bit too high and mighty for my taste. What's worse is that I found myself becoming like them. Anyway, to the point... I once visited a Christian lady friend's apartment. She had on sandals and I remarked about how pretty her feet were. Then I spilled my guts about my tickling fascination. Afterward, she replied, "I don't think you've been DELIVERED." Anyone who's been involved with Christianity will know what that means. As a result, our friendship dissolved. So, for being honest I lost a 'friend'. I think God, or however you address the Divine has more pressing issues to contend with than our love for tickling. Simply drop the subject when talking to that lady. By the way, did she wait until she was married before she kissed her boyfriend? Wasn't that even the least bit stimulating to her? I looked up tickling on the internet to meet like minded people, by the way. I didn't want to lose anymore so-called friends because of it. I hope this helps you. Take care.

 

[naveltkltr1350]

the reason i never chose a religion..i believe in God..just never felt like i should chose a religion. thats just me tho..dont hate on me for sayin that either.

 

[steph]

I'm born, baptised, raised Catholic. I'm cool with God but don't attend Catholic church anymore~molested alter boys scandal aside, I don't think the religion has evolved with the times. I, for example, believe in things like birth control. More and more, my way of thinking is more Buddist, I guess some would hate me for "making up my own religion to suit my lifestyle" but I'm prepared to make my arguments come judgement day.

Bottome line shy? Eleanor Roosevelt said, "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent." Pretty right on, don't ya think? Do YOU feel guilty about what you're doing? I don't. If you do then stop. Problem solved?

XOXO

 

[featherfingers]

I agree with Steph, too. I mean, who really knows the truth about God and how dare anyone make you feel guilt over something that's their trip. Ever since the early days people have wanted to exercise control over others, and what better way than to convince you that if you don't behave the way God (read: they) want you to, you're going to suffer eternal damnation. Man, we've got enough of that going on already in this world. People have been killed in the name of God and they justify the killing by saying "God's on our side". Okay, I'm rambling. Trust your heart... if God is anywhere, God is there. Don't let someone else's trip become your own.

 

[Limeoutsider]

Im going to guess Baptist? Id say, who cares, your appy, and if God truly forgives, dont sweat it

 

[kis123]

As a Christian who loves tickling, I have a couple of viewpoints:

First, you are in control of your body. It is yours and you should not expose it to perversion. Not everything found under a "tickling" search is appropriate. You should never put yourself in a position that causes you to lose self control. You'll end up going further than you ever wanted to go and would be miserable.

Second, I've been a member over a year and you know what I've discovered? Most of us have a life that extends beyond tickling. I believe that most of us are more spiritually healthier than many people. We come to this forum to talk about religion, politics, tickling, marriage, life, death, and a plethera of other topics. We are not so stuck on one subject that it rules our lives. When folks get off track, there are many members who jerk them back into reality or they simply leave the forum, which is just fine with me.

I don't share my fetish outside this forum. My people would never understand this and would probably have me put in the funny farm. I'm not repressed, depressed, lonely, or any other emotion since I've been a member here and found people like me. We don't always agree on issues, but we all love tickling.

There is a sexual connotation to tickling. Some can separate it from fun play, and some can not. If you're one of those who can't, you may have some issues with your committment to abstinence unless married (provided that is part of your spiritual belief system). If you're a Christian, you know what's right and wrong in this arena.

As long as you don't allow this to consume you it's no different than anything else. No one talks about people who obsess over movies, sports, or cars. I find that a little more twisted than someone who loves to be tickled every now and then. Just control the fetish, not let it control you.

I hope this helps.

 

[leafstk]

Windy

No, kiddin, eh? 😛 😀 Windy, lol!

Okay, okay, in all seriousness, I think you don't have anything to worry about. I'm religious myself, but I'm not fanatic. This whole "don't let Satan use this" thing is a total line. All of us have the ability for self control. I think she took what you said way too far, a little too high and mighty for someone who's already hitched, if you get my meaning. I'm sure she's a sweet girl and means well, but featherfingers comments were quite appropriate in that regard. You've received sound advice from the others here already, so I don't need to add more, if only to say trust yourself. You know who you are and what you're about. If you're devout in what you believe in, than that's who you are. All of us have our "kinks".

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

As a Christian who loves tickling, I have a couple of viewpoints:

First, you are in control of your body. It is yours and you should not expose it to perversion. Not everything found under a "tickling" search is appropriate. You should never put yourself in a position that causes you to lose self control. You'll end up going further than you ever wanted to go and would be miserable.

Second, I've been a member over a year and you know what I've discovered? Most of us have a life that extends beyond tickling. I believe that most of us are more spiritually healthier than many people. We come to this forum to talk about religion, politics, tickling, marriage, life, death, and a plethera of other topics. We are not so stuck on one subject that it rules our lives. When folks get off track, there are many members who jerk them back into reality or they simply leave the forum, which is just fine with me.

I don't share my fetish outside this forum. My people would never understand this and would probably have me put in the funny farm. I'm not repressed, depressed, lonely, or any other emotion since I've been a member here and found people like me. We don't always agree on issues, but we all love tickling.

There is a sexual connotation to tickling. Some can separate it from fun play, and some can not. If you're one of those who can't, you may have some issues with your committment to abstinence unless married (provided that is part of your spiritual belief system). If you're a Christian, you know what's right and wrong in this arena.

As long as you don't allow this to consume you it's no different than anything else. No one talks about people who obsess over movies, sports, or cars. I find that a little more twisted than someone who loves to be tickled every now and then. Just control the fetish, not let it control you.

I hope this helps.

*claps* 🙂

I couldn't have said it better myself. Well done.

"Just control the fetish, not let it control you."

This inparticular settles pretty much any misgivings about this. If you are walking with the Lord, and your connection with Him is strong, then you've got nothing to worry about as long as you assert your self control and seperate innocent fun from obsessive perversion. Even then, God would still forgive you. But this isn't a free ticket to do whatever the hell you want and then try and catch God in some sort of a technicality in the long run. It doesn't work that way. There must be a sincerity and genuine heart of repentance in what one does for any fruit to be brought to bare in the aftermath of a fetish taken too far. I know that as long as you are truely sorry and know you have crossed a personal line (which we are all aware of and feel when we've done so), that you will continue to be forgiven, even if you end up repeating this process and it becomes a cycle.

Some people unfortunately think they are beyond help, or that God isn't big enough or strong enough, or merciful enough to forgive any sin. He is, and He's only waiting, never forcing, on you to come to Him. Yet people give up and continue to delute themselves with the idea that what they are doing is making God dislike them or something. And that of course is also not true. Theres nothing you can do to make God dislike you, even if you are working against Him in some way, shape, or form. However, you will be held accountable for these things when you die, since you were given free will in the matter.

In any case, its as if some people test God, and we really shouldn't be doing that, because thats a form of doubt. And if there is doubt, where is the faith? And if the faith isn't strong enough, then spiritually you are in a bad way, and the blessings God gives to you everyday will just wash off of you because you have rendered yourself inable to recieve them. In a way, you don't believe in them, so how can they be given to you?

Rather, have faith that no matter what you do or what your circumstances are, that God will be there for you and will forgive you and pick you back up when you fall again.

I agree with all or most of what Wendy said, I just don't agree with the wording. It left room to be insulting, though I'm sure thats not what she meant or wanted. Some christians have a way of jumping the gun and speaking before they think (not that she did that). While I am not one of those people fortunately, I can understand where they are coming from.

I think you would do well though Shy to listen to her and us and not dismiss either side because one or the other makes you feel better. Thats not the answer you seek. Better yet, you shouldn't be coming to us with this at all. Take it to the higher authority, THE authority, take it to the Man! I'm sure you'll find an answer, or at least an inner peace. I know I have.

Amen amen.

 

[Haltickling]

However, I believe it becomes a sin for you when you seek it on the internet because I can only imagine some of the stuff you'll get pulled up. Also, if having it done to yourself or doing it to someone else stimulates you in that manner then by all means DO NOT allow this to happen because it is lustful in my opinion. If someone does it to you then tell them seriously to stop it. Please don't let Satan use this to interfere with your walk with God.

Within the confines of marriage it's perfectly fine. My husband and I have had tickling lead us to some nice private moments as well.

When you start looking for tickling on the internet it's only going to peak your interest and arousal that much more until you're consumed by thoughts of it especially as an unmarried guy unable to do anything about it. Then ask yourself if you run into nude pics of tickling, will you be able to walk away or will you keep looking for more and more of it and will it end up turning into an extreme fetish for you because of what you've seen (when you do get married will you need this to happen everytime in order for you to have arousal for your wife)?

Sorry, but to me, this is fundamentalistic puritan mumbo-jumbo. Lust is not a sin, it's part of human nature. What better way to install guilt in people than claiming that lust is sin? That's how religious indoctrination works.

IMO, Christianity is about love and understanding, not about sin, punishment, or self-castration. Keep on praying and helping people who need help, and you're a better Christian than anybody who tries to make you feel guilty about lust and/or tickling.

 

[kis123]

Re: Re: i need opinions on this (Christian advice as well)

Sorry, but to me, this is fundamentalistic puritan mumbo-jumbo. Lust is not a sin, it's part of human nature. What better way to install guilt in people than claiming that lust is sin? That's how religious indoctrination works.

IMO, Christianity is about love and understanding, not about sin, punishment, or self-castration. Keep on praying and helping people who need help, and you're a better Christian than anybody who tries to make you feel guilty about lust and/or tickling.

No, lust is not a sin. It can actually prove to be a positive thing when handled properly. But uncontrolled lust is a sin, plain and simple and it has serious reprecussions. You're better off learning your boundaries and not crossing them. That's when you run into trouble.

Many people have talked about religious indoctrination or being controlled by religion. I don't believe in religion, my spirituality and relationship with God run much deeper than rules and regulations man puts on me. Anyone who truly loves God understands that they never have to be religious to love and honor Him. And you do that with your body as well. You shouldn't be running around doing everything with everyone anyway. Religion aside, there are just too many regrets associated with lust and lack of self control.

 

[featherfingers]

My most Spiritual experience came not from within the walls of a church but sitting in a Starbucks, writing a letter to a friend. The topic was "God" and I honestly felt more peace and love flowing within me than I ever felt in a church. God can't be confined within four walls. The best way I've found to sum up God is this... "God is." Kis has a valid point, too, about uncontrolled lusts. That's what leads to a lot of broken marriages, crumbling relationships, etc. Lust for money, lust for sex, even lust for stardom... there are healthy ways to pursue all of those things without having to sell your soul.

 

[jugner]

I've had similar threads, I actually started a thread about how I didn't like the fact that nudity, and being forced to orgasm was becoming so intwined with tickling. Yes, occasionaly I do come across some nudity, I don't like it, and I don't explore further, the fact is, I don't know what this fetish means in the eyes of God, but some of her comments went beyond a humble opinion, they had a holy than though art ring to them.

I am a church going Christain, I refuse to let anything come between me and my beliefs, do I know if I'm right or wrong, No. Do I think it's a sin? I don't know. Is it unforgiveable? No way.

Truth be told I'm not sure what to say back, but I think she may have oversteped her bounds.

 

[Lazarus]

My feelings and beliefs about God would literally take an hour or more just to read, so I shall refrain for now....
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As far as not seeking out tickling on the 'Net:
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If I hadn't subscribed to Josie's TicklingNews.com mailing list, I would have not gotten her directory.

I would have not looked said directory.

I would not have found Meem's pic and yahoo profile.

I would not have initiated contact, nor been stubborn enough to stay with it, until she saw me for who I am, got rid of her excess baggage, and given me a chance.

I would not be very happy, with someone I love with all my heart and soul.

I WOULD still be alone, coming home to an empty apartment almost every night, wasting time with the slimy women I had found on those "Match.com" sites.

I went thru a period of thinking that my "tickling fetish" was wrong, and sinful, and such, until one day, it came to me that God doesn't work like that.

I do NOT believe in the "Angry, Vengeful God", but much prefer the "Loving, Peaceful, and Just God", and as such, I don't feel guilty about my fetish, and loving what I do.

But, I digress, as I said my feelings would take quite a while to get thru, but long short, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone, or involve murder, animals, kids, incest, or dead bodies,to each their own.

I have nothing against something done between two consenting adults, with the exception of what I mentioned above.

That's my input, take it or leave it...

God is not what someone tells you to believe, but is what you believe in your heart....

And just for the record, I detest nudity with tickling, when it comes to videos and pics....

That's just the way I feel, no reason for it, other than I just prefer it that way....

You give me a video that shows a big girl, ankles tied down, wearing a sweater and jeans, but getting her shoes and socks taken off, and her feet tickled, that's all I need....

😉


Laz-er Tag

 

[ShadowTklr]

I agree with most ideas put forth on this thread, except for those who purport to somehow know what God wants or what its limitations are in tolerance of individual behavior.

I think Kis’ point was well taken when she said even without religion, uncontrolled lust is not good for you.

I also think that Celtic’s advice was straight to the bottom line when he said that you should take it to the Man.

You have to find what makes you happy within the context of being a good person, not necessarily a good Christian person. If, on the other hand, you wish to abide by the doctrines set forth by the practitioners of your religion, then you must leave for the sake of your eternal soul.

Tickling fetishism is a fetish. It is not simply some fun thing to do that has no long term, or potentially obsessive implications. You have to know that by now, or else you wouldn’t still be here.

Wendy’s letter was addressing you as a Christian. In that context, she is completely correct. There are no “yeah, buts…” here. If you are, in fact, a Christian, then you must not test your faith by engaging in “abhorrent” behavior. You must not lust, even in your heart. As a Christian, you must leave this place, and never return.

Now, I’m not telling you to leave as MY suggestion, but I am pointing out your responsibility to your religion and to your accepted role as a follower of that religion if you so choose to remain a faithful follower.

 

[Haltickling]

If, on the other hand, you wish to abide by the doctrines set forth by the practitioners of your religion, then you must leave for the sake of your eternal soul.

I don't agree. I could agree with "...for the sake of religious fanatics who want to dominate your every thought."

If you are, in fact, a Christian, then you must not test your faith by engaging in “abhorrent” behavior. You must not lust, even in your heart. As a Christian, you must leave this place, and never return.

Once again, I do not agree. Only the most prudish puritans forbid all kinds of lust. Christianity only forbids adultery. Thou shalt not lust for thy neighbor's wife, or something like that. The rest of the lust-hostile demands are remnants from the Middle Ages and purely clerical interpretations. You'll have problems to find any decent Bible passages in the New Testament to support that view. Oh, there are plenty of passages in the Old Testament, but that's from another culture. Jesus had a much more open mind towards sinners than the vengeful God from the Old Testament.

But I realize by your quotation marks around the word "abhorrent" that you don't agree with that view either...

 

[ShadowTklr]

I don't agree. I could agree with "...for the sake of religious fanatics who want to dominate your every thought."

Once again, I do not agree. Only the most prudish puritans forbid all kinds of lust. Christianity only forbids adultery. Thou shalt not lust for thy neighbor's wife, or something like that. The rest of the lust-hostile demands are remnants from the Middle Ages and purely clerical interpretations. You'll have problems to find any decent Bible passages in the New Testament to support that view. Oh, there are plenty of passages in the Old Testament, but that's from another culture. Jesus had a much more open mind towards sinners than the vengeful God from the Old Testament.

But I realize by your quotation marks around the word "abhorrent" that you don't agree with that view either...

Hi Hal:

Yeah, I'm glad you picked up on the abhorrent behavior thing. lol

I know what you're saying, Hal, and you're right as it pertains to the everyday regular mainstream Christians. But mainstream Christians are like mainstream ANYBODY. They declare a religious affiliation, rather than a religious following. They cuss, drink, have promiscuous sex, cheat the other guy out of his promotion at work, lie on their taxes, screw their neighbors’ spouses, and then go to church. That's not religion. That’s claiming religious association, and there is a tremendous difference.

I'm talking about the REAL Christians; The ones who want creationism taught in schools so that evolution will have competition. I'm talking about the Christians that still believe mankind is only a couple of thousand years old. I'm pointing to the Christians who can tell you with a straight face that until you accept Christ as your personal savior, your soul is in peril of eternal damnation. These are the:

Christian Fundamentalists
Christian Science
Born again Christians

Now, I will concede that the whole eternal soul stuff is more Roman Catholic in nature, than Christianity, but you're wrong about Christians not abiding by teachings of the Old Testament. The Christian Fundamentalists, for example, reject the new testament out of hand, as betraying the original intent of Christ's word. They see it as a sellout attempt to update itself to popular culture.

The Christians I'm talking about are the ones that lobby congress for the abolition of a woman's right to choose what to do with her own body; the ones who advocate that Supreme Court Justices sympathetic to the Christian view should be appointed in order to make LAWS that would force people to abide by what is right. (aka the Christian view)

In the letter Wendy wrote, she used the word "Sin." Anyone who uses the word Sin to describe sexual behavior, or desire, is a zealot or a religious drone. Period. And if they believe that certain types of sex or sexual desire is a sin, then logic follows that they must believe that sins are punishable by eternal damnation.

The Bible makes no distinction about sin. It doesn't have a fold-out index page that categorizes the level and magnitude of sin. Who gets to be the voice of God to tell us what it will forgive and what it will not?

As far as having a hard time finding it in the bible is concerned, you're simply not looking creatively enough. Let’s say that Born-Again Christians suddenly had an aversion to peas. Ask a born-again to find a passage in the Bible for why peas are the devils food, and they'll pull it out like it was there all the time. And then, as they read you something completely interpretational, they'll swear that PEAS is exactly what Jesus had in mind. Its all about control, not truth.

And if you think that the puritanical middle ages mentality is long dead, think again. It’s just a new millennia, but the same old repressive, oppressive way of thinking is still alive and well.

 

[Haltickling]

Ah, now we're on the same page. I feel better.

BTW, I like peas... 😛

 

[kis123]

Ok, here we go!

First of all, sin is any trangression against God. If you are a Christian, you should know what that means. Fornication=any sexual activity outside the marital relationship. That means ANY-not just what we determine is and is not. God keeps things simple. We make it complicated by trying to find the loophole in the law. There is none.

As far as Born-again Christians are concerned, rejection of Christ means an eternity lost without Him. No exceptions to this and there are several scriptures that point to this directly. We are given a choice and God doesn't force us to choose Him. We are free will moral agents and can choose to accept or reject whatever we want.

As far as how old the world is, it is millions of years old. The bible only deals with the last six thousand years. That doesn't mean the world wasn't older. It's just what biblical history covers.

As far as Wendy's commentary is concerned:
Wendy has forgotten how it feels to struggle as a single person with sexual issues. She forgot what she was like prior to getting married (probably not a virgin). She lost her ability to be compassionate with someone who is not exactly like her. i thought it was the subject of tickling, not of sex!! She obviously jumped to all kinds of conclusions. It doesn't make you less of a Christian if you're struggling with certain thoughts or feelings. But you should be in a position where you're able to stop before things go further than you wanted them to go.

There are scriptures regarding sexual activity and its appropriateness from Genesis to Revelation. If you want to reject what it says, go ahead. It's in both the Old and New Testaments of the bible.

Why is it that whenever anyone talks about the bible, or (religion), it automatically turns into a topic of control and indoctrination? God gives you the information, gives you the tools, and tells you to control yourself. HE DOES NOT CONTROL YOU--YOU HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO CONTROL YOURSELF!!! It doesn't get any simpler than that!

Call it puritanical if you like. I'd prefer not screwing around all over the place for a variety of reasons. None of them have to do with my spiritual beliefs either. It protects you physically and emotionally not to be involved with a lot of sexual partners or relationships.

 

[featherfingers]

Personally, I'd prefer to be in love with the person before getting sexual. I've seen too many friends suffer from disease and all that other jazz. Sex is too intimate to give it away to just anyone. Tickling, however, is intimate as well but if the other person can't control themselves as they're being tickled, you may have a problem. I was tickling a different lady friend who was curious and as the tickling went on, she actually began pulling down her pants. Without getting too graphic, I did pleasure her down there as well, but our friendship was never the same afterward. In fact, it was just too awkward for us to ever see each other again after that. I really didn't know her well enough to get intimate in the first place.

 

[ShadowTklr]

First of all, sin is any trangression against God. If you are a Christian, you should know what that means. Fornication=any sexual activity outside the marital relationship. That means ANY-not just what we determine is and is not. God keeps things simple. We make it complicated by trying to find the loophole in the law. There is none.

That is a valid argument, with one minor observation. God does not make laws other than the physical limitations bestowed upon the elements of the universe. It makes no moral mandate as to behavior, or human choice.

Other than that, I agree completely. You'll notice that my point was exactly the same in my last post when I said that as a Christian, you have a responsibility to adhere to the doctrines mandated by your religion. I'm with ya, Kis. 🙂

As far as Born-again Christians are concerned, rejection of Christ means an eternity lost without Him. No exceptions to this and there are several scriptures that point to this directly. We are given a choice and God doesn't force us to choose Him. We are free will moral agents and can choose to accept or reject whatever we want.

If you are a Born-again Christian, then that is your belief. Again I agree. Why isn't the earth shaking?

As far as how old the world is, it is millions of years old. The bible only deals with the last six thousand years. That doesn't mean the world wasn't older. It's just what biblical history covers.

Oops. We were doing so well together too.
It wasn't the world I was talking about, Kis. Notice in my post where I say "mankind" is only several thousand years old. Christian Fundamentalists believe that Adam and Eve were the original human beings, meaning NONE came before them. They believe that mummies and fossilized human remains dating as far back as 3 million years is proaganda. Silly, huh?

As far as Wendy's commentary is concerned:
Wendy has forgotten how it feels to struggle as a single person with sexual issues. She forgot what she was like prior to getting married (probably not a virgin). She lost her ability to be compassionate with someone who is not exactly like her. i thought it was the subject of tickling, not of sex!! She obviously jumped to all kinds of conclusions. It doesn't make you less of a Christian if you're struggling with certain thoughts or feelings. But you should be in a position where you're able to stop before things go further than you wanted them to go.

What exactly does that last sentence mean? Wendy was correct from her zealous point of view. She assumed she was talking to one of her own. And I'll repeat - in the context of her belief and the belief she assumed shy had, she was correct.

There are scriptures regarding sexual activity and its appropriateness from Genesis to Revelation. If you want to reject what it says, go ahead. It's in both the Old and New Testaments of the bible.

Okay, that was a lob. Rejected - done.

Why is it that whenever anyone talks about the bible, or (religion), it automatically turns into a topic of control and indoctrination? God gives you the information, gives you the tools, and tells you to control yourself. HE DOES NOT CONTROL YOU--YOU HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO CONTROL YOURSELF!!! It doesn't get any simpler than that!

To the first part of your question, the answer is because the bible has been used as a weapon by emperors, Kings, Papacies, Politicians, and even local Clergy to manipulate the ignorance of the masses, to intimidate the superstitious, and to indoctrinate the fearful. That's why.

Secondly, God tells you nothing. It writes nothing. It speaks to no one. Faith in God is what influences man's wisdom. Faith grants man the ability to convey that wisdom to others. Your idea of simplicity is based on a belief that God has given direct instruction to man. It has not.

Call it puritanical if you like. I'd prefer not screwing around all over the place for a variety of reasons. None of them have to do with my spiritual beliefs either. It protects you physically and emotionally not to be involved with a lot of sexual partners or relationships.

I'm so glad to end this on a high note. I think you are right once again. People should make wise choices for themselves, and it sounds like you have made some very wise ones for yourself.

Okay. [standing down...waiting...]

 

[kis123]

tShadow;

You posted some interesting responses to my last post. And that is after I've chosen to disagree with you on a couple of points:

"That is a valid argument, with one minor observation. God does not make laws other than the physical limitations bestowed upon the elements of the universe. It makes no moral mandate as to behavior, or human choice."

Was this a typo, or are you referring to the God of the universe as I know it as "It". This means we are not on the same plane at all. God is spirit, the Creator of the Universe and all that is in it. So, you have the right to it, but I really don't understand this.

"If you are a Born-again Christian, then that is your belief. Again I agree. Why isn't the earth shaking?"

Point made and taken--I'll simply move on!

"Christian Fundamentalists believe that Adam and Eve were the original human beings, meaning NONE came before them. They believe that mummies and fossilized human remains dating as far back as 3 million years is proaganda. Silly, huh?"

The bible also addresses this as well. Adam and Eve are NOT the original human beings. I agree with you completely and am refreshed to know someone else is aware of this. Try sharing this with some members of the Christian community and you'll be boiled in holy oil!!!

"To the first part of your question, the answer is because the bible has been used as a weapon by emperors, Kings, Papacies, Politicians, and even local Clergy to manipulate the ignorance of the masses, to intimidate the superstitious, and to indoctrinate the fearful. That's why.

Secondly, God tells you nothing. It writes nothing. It speaks to no one. Faith in God is what influences man's wisdom. Faith grants man the ability to convey that wisdom to others. Your idea of simplicity is based on a belief that God has given direct instruction to man. It has not."

First part--I agree but God provides us with wisdom. We should be able to separate him from the foolishness people claim is religious. God does not need to use fear as a weapon. He simply says to accept or reject. That's it, that's all.

Second part--God does keep it simple. I do not agree that God does not speak to us. He doesn't fly down from some cloud and have a personal visit. But He does speak to us in many different methods from a phone call from someone you never expected to hear from, meeting someone on the street that provides the direct answers to the questions you've been asking in your heart; to reading the bible or a sermon in church--and all inbetween. God speaks on a regular basis. But it looks like we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

Folks, I apologize for the length of this post. I'll try to shorten my responses in the future.

 

[featherfingers]

No apology necessary as far as I'm concerned. I love hearing views about Spirituality that are actually well thought out and not hypercritical or holier than thou. We may learn something from one another.

 

[shylittleme]

ok thanks to EVERY SINGLE ONE of that replyed back from Kis to Shadow to Jeff to Celtic to Featherfingers etc.... ....

further more i've dropped the subject of tickling with windy all together. not because it went bad (because it didn't at all) it went well and dandy with her and me. alot more better then most of the people online that are not that open minded to began with even with a simple subject just as '' tickling ''. i just choice to cut off the subject of tickling with her because your all right i just gotta do whats best for me and just pray over it with God and try to keep my love for tickling under a close watch so it never ever gets out of hand as to where i can't function in the Real world and away from the Computer .

so with that as well i have agreed to stay a part of this forum and to talk more with you fellow members in the long run about everything under the sun. you ALL were a big help to me

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thank you and God Bless

 

[shylittleme]

one more Quick thing though if i may.... 😀


this was posted on the same forum that i'm a member of (by one of the members at that Christian Forum)




Personally , I associate playful tickling with flirting.

Definition

flirt

verb
to behave as if sexually attracted to someone, often in a way that is not meant seriously .

This sort of behavior is more at home with youthfulness , than with mature adults .

My advice is that you begin to leave this playful pastime , as a thing of your childhood , rather than a pursuit of your adulthood .



and lastely this is a verse that he posted

When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. <-----> 1st Corinthians 13:11


whats your take on all of it?