In pro sports, do you support.....

[primetime]

do you support the players or the owners when it comes down to any major league sport (NFL, NBA, MLB, or NHL) when they are talking about strikes?

for me, i support the owners. they are owners for a reason. they are SUPPOSED to make a LOT more money. what i cant stand are these players asking for more money when they make more money than us average joes by MILLIONS. they want more? man, i would accept the minimum contract in the NFL anyday than my current day job. pro athletes are way too spoiled.

any thoughts?

 

[ticklingfeet4fu]

FINALLY!!! Something you and I agree upon. One of my friends says that Terrell Owens is UNDERPAID!!! 😱 IMAGINE THAT!!! He agrees with Terrell Owens being a bonehead. He thinks that the Eagles should have restructure his contract for him. What kinda garbage is that??? Let me tell you... the players ( like Terrell Owens ) that tell us that they can't live on what they make should comeback to bag groceries or flip hamburgers or shovel shit for a living and then tell us pee-ons who pay their salaries that they are poor. The nerve of some of these athletes.

 

[primetime]

cool, we do agree on something. Kobe is still great though! (i just had to throw that in...lol)

anyway, i am sick and tired of these athletes asking for more money. my best friend and myself see "eye to eye" on everything but this topic. he sides with the players. he sided with Terrell Owens. he makes a good point in the sense that on a proportional scale, NFL players are paid less than any other pro athlete versus the owners in their respective sport.

BUT, these athletes are compensated HANDSOMELY for their unique skills by getting paid jillions of dollars compared to us working stiffs. that's why i cant agree with him. if i ever was a pro football player, i would be happy to make 250,000 a year, which i believe is the minimum salary. compared to my salary now, man, i would be rich!!

part of the problem in my eyes is that the NFL player's union not only want more of the revenue sharing in the NFL, but they also want a piece of the owner's "non football revenue", meaning they want a piece of the advertising and gate receipts revenue. this is pure greed. do the owners get a piece of player's endorsement money? no. why should they get "non football revenue" as well? it pisses me off.

now, the owners themselves are fighting about revenue sharing so that's part of the problem in the NFL. well, we see how this comes out. but i still hope Terrell Owens gets NOTHING. he is the very definition of a spoiled athlete.

fun to agree on something huh?

 

[german]

All I can say is whats your 40 time?? What you bench??

These athletes are the best at what they do and I got no problem with how much they get. True some people could never dream about how much some earn in a season but they get because they can play at that level and average Joe's cant. Hell I was close to signing with a German second division team (soccer) before I some f**king c**t damaged my knee and I would of hoped to get every cent I could get.

Just a question do you have a problem with how much people in Hollywood get?

Kust

 

[asutickler]

This is a capitalist society. Pro sports is a gigantic business, with literally billions of dollars involved. The top athletes in popular sports have an undeniably favorable position, as there are very, very few people who can perform at their level. You can hardly blame them for pressing this advantage and using it to grab the largest slice of the pie that they can get. You can see the same phenomena with the people who are the best in the world in any popular or important field. What do you think the world's best heart surgeons make? The world's best architects? Artists? Authors? Mutual fund managers?

Top athletes deserve what they get for what they bring to the sports industry, just like anyone else does in any other profession.

 

[Butterfly wings]

The owners. Because without the owners and teams (thier would be no NFL,NBA,and MLB or sports)

What i can't stand though. Is when a leader of the team (be it NBA or MLB etc) is the main focus and leader of the team say's he'll remain on that one team for along time and he'll be loyal to that one team and do whatever it takes to win. But when it comes down to higher paid teams looking at him once that other team starts looking at him and offers to pay him ALOT MORE then his team that he was on would have been able to or wanted to. He jumps ship and takes that other teams offer just because he gets more money in his already big wallet and get's more goodies.

But that's sports for you. You don't see very many players now a days be loyal to one team for along time and be loyal to the coach and city and the fans of that city. If they can go somewhere else onto another brand new team and make more money and win more then thier 9 times out of 10 going to take it.

But stars (big name head line stars should make the money for what they do out on the court and for thier teams). Other wise they would not be in the NBA or MLB or NHL if they did not have the skills or and God giving ablility in sports at all to do what they do.

 

[FlockOfSeagulls]

neither; i support the fans; we always end up getting the short end of the stick

 

[Butterfly wings]

neither; i support the fans; we always end up getting the short end of the stick

Then why support the fans? If the fans always get the short end of the stick?

The owners are almost always the ones that seal the deal when it comes to sports strikes and they are the ones that re-open or close strike talks and get all partys to re-think things and get the deal done before dead lines.

 

[He-Man]

sometimes i don't support either the team OR the owner when they talk about strikes...or in the New Orleans Saints' case...going away. (If the damn Superdome isn't good enough for them, they can leave. Not like we'd be losing a GOOD team. )

 

[Wrathchild]

Neither

I dont support either side. There are people hungry and without homes right in this country and these billionare owners and millionare players simply want more.

 

[Butterfly wings]

I dont support either side. There are people hungry and without homes right in this country and these billionare owners and millionare players simply want more.

You changed your screen name Shred



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They were all on the sci fi channel last night (sunday night). But i missed every movie expect the last tail end of Hellraiser:Inferno

 

[b0xr]

I do not support either the owners or the players. When my company's collective bargaining agreement is up I am pretty sure that none of the Major Sports franchises care less about it so why should I care about them. The owners are in it to make as much money as they can as are the players...without concern about how much it costs a family to actually attend a game. The franchises will continue in this manner until THE FANS stop paying large sums of money to go...or buy a 20 oz. soda for four bucks!! We are the engine that drives that train and unless WE go on strike things in sports will remain the same.

 

[Mz Chaos]

I support the players.
There's just something about a bunch of dirty, smelly millionaires beating the shit out of themselves and each other just for my entertainment that appeals to me.

 

[FlockOfSeagulls]

I support the players.
There's just something about a bunch of dirty, smelly millionaires beating the shit out of themselves and each other just for my entertainment that appeals to me.

so does that mean you would like to see women golfers use there clubs as weapons and beat the crap out of each other??? 😉

 

[Wrathchild]

You changed your screen name Shred

Yup! Changed it to one of my favorite Iron Maiden songs. Please keep it in mind Wings cuz youre my horror movie amigo on the TMF!

 

[Mastertank1]

So you're asking....

Basically, you're asking us all if we're athletic supporters?

Mastertank1

We who play and dance are thought mad by they who hear no music.

 

[FlockOfSeagulls]

Primetime

I see you have Deon IN HIS COWBOYS UNIFORM.You understand that there is one team that makes the world go round.All I can say is ''How bout them Cowboys"

 

[Mitchell]

Owners, all the way. I dont like a guy such as George Steinbrenner, who buys championships with a 200 million dollar payroll, usually almost twice as high as even the 2nd highest payroll in baseball. However, these spoiled babies called pro athletes make too damn much money. Most of them earn millions of dollars a year, get meal money on the road, stay in top hotels, and get many free deals on the road, just to complain and ask for higher salaries. Think of all the working class people who grind it out, 2000 hours a year, for 20, 30, 40 or 50 K a year like most of us, with familes. These guys get four to five months a year off, play three hours a day, and have time to do other endorsement of products. Their crazy salaries are the reason it is so darn expensive for the average fan to go to a game. I say, have a salary cap. Have some of the rookies make 50-100 K a year, an upper middle class salary, with the top salary being say 5 mil a year, for the absolute top players, like Pujols, or Arod, in baseball. Dont pay these guys 20-25 mil a year, or sign them to $250 million dollar contracts like Arod is. That's insanity!
I have thought for a long time that pro athletes are way overpaid. Bring the salaries down to the level where they were in the 80s or 90s, that is about right, and just about what most of them are worth, even the top players, in my view.

Mitch

 

[FlockOfSeagulls]

Owners, all the way. I dont like a guy such as George Steinbrenner, who buys championships with a 200 million dollar payroll, usually almost twice as high as even the 2nd highest payroll in baseball. However, these spoiled babies called pro athletes make too damn much money. Most of them earn millions of dollars a year, get meal money on the road, stay in top hotels, and get many free deals on the road, just to complain and ask for higher salaries. Think of all the working class people who grind it out, 2000 hours a year, for 20, 30, 40 or 50 K a year like most of us, with familes. These guys get four to five months a year off, play three hours a day, and have time to do other endorsement of products. Their crazy salaries are the reason it is so darn expensive for the average fan to go to a game. I say, have a salary cap. Have some of the rookies make 50-100 K a year, an upper middle class salary, with the top salary being say 5 mil a year, for the absolute top players, like Pujols, or Arod, in baseball. Dont pay these guys 20-25 mil a year, or sign them to $250 million dollar contracts like Arod is. That's insanity!
I have thought for a long time that pro athletes are way overpaid. Bring the salaries down to the level where they were in the 80s or 90s, that is about right, and just about what most of them are worth, even the top players, in my view.

Mitch

you spoke of the a-rod deal

I am a big rangers fans and since I live in dallas\fort worth area, I went to several games a year. The rangers owner was so determined to get him he got bamboozled by a-rods agent.he had the owner bidding against himself.when he was traded to the yankees the rangers had to buy his multi-million dollar house for him to ok trade because it was written in his contract.

 

[primetime]

german, first of all, my 40 time was at one time (i'm older now) 4.45, which isnt too shabby in today's standards.

but that's not my point. i already made the statement that these athletes are getting compensated for their special skills as compared to your average working stiff.

my gripe is the fact that they are already making MILLIONS and now they want more. do you remember Latrell Sprewell's comments? he said 14 million wasnt enough to feed his family and needs a new contract. how many times do you see an athlete hold out for more money, when they are already set for life? it pisses you off. man, i would trade places with them in a heartbeat. i never gripe about the owners making jillions of money because welcome to corporate America. owners will ALWAYS make a grip of money. that's why they are the owners.

as we speak, the NFL just settled their CBA issue and now we dont have to worry about a strike for at least 6 years. however, i still dont think these athletes should get more of the pie. they are already set. then, they will leave your favorite sports team for more money. it just seems unjust.

as for the people of Hollywood, they too are making an obscene amount of money, but they are not asking for the lion's share of the revenue generated by the movies they act in. when Jim Carey gets paid 20 million dollars for a movie, i dont see him threatening a strike because the movie made 500 million. athletes do not incur losses. they get paid no matter what due to their contract, but the owner can LOSE millions. that's why i think the players do not deserve the lion's share of revenues generated in each major league sport.

as for my signature, i WISH there was a shot of Deion Sanders in the 49ers uniform. he looked a lot better in that uniform!!!!!! (i already asked Mimi and she doesnt have a Deion Sanders 49er picture. DAMN!)

 

[german]

4.45 *whistle sound* nice nice.

I agree with you in a way that they make heaps and wont more and more but as I said I nearly cracked it and I would wont to get everything I could get before an injury (funny I was stopped before I started) and thats what I mean, players sign 70 million deals but they wont see like 80% of that and if there career is cut short they get some pay out when they got no other qualifications in life, there fault but still ...........I cant but it in words I dont I feel I understand there motives.

Also players can 'hold out' and the media, fans hammer them for doing so but teams can just cut players like that *snap*. But as I said with I agree with you and more and more what I'm reading in the media and such I starting to lean away from supporting the players wanting more money but rather them having some sort of security when its over.

Kust

Also I found some Deion 49er pics

 

[primetime]

first, NICE Deion pictures. i think i am going to pm Mimi to see if she can create me a sig with those 49er pictures. REAL NICE......man, the good ol' days.

as for pro athletes. i do agree with them when it comes to "comparable" salaries to other athletes. for example, Shaun Alexander was the "stud" RB in the NFL in 2005 and has done well the last few years. if another RB, like Warrick Dunn for example (nothing against Warrick), got paid more than Shaun, then i can see Shaun holding out for more money. i would too. my gripe is the players asking for more money as compared to the owners making much more than them. i see it as good ol' American capitalism. we working stiffs get paid a certain amount of cash and our corporate (if you work in corporate America) bosses make so much more money it's ridiculous. NFL players are employees as well. it's just their pay scale is much higher than the average American worker.

i like football in the sense that the contracts are not guaranteed. why should they when my salary isnt guaranteed? the NBA has guaranteed contracts and baseball has them as well. if i am guaranteed millions of dollars, no matter what, what is my incentive for playing hard? notice in the NFL, if you continue to excel, you dont have to worry about getting "cut" because you are proving you belong and you will be paid an obscene amount of money. players should get paid like every other American gets paid. on their merit. believe me, if my salary was guaranteed, i wouldnt work hard. why? i get paid the same for working hard as i would for being lazy.

as for my 40 time German, that was a while back. i think i am 4.6, maybe 4.7 now. i dont know, i havent timed myself in a while. i still feel fast, but you know when you are slowing down and i feel slower. maybe i am a 4.5. who knows. you know, i need to get timed again. on second thought, if i did and it was slow, i might go into depression...lol.

 

[FlockOfSeagulls]

4.45 *whistle sound* nice nice.

I agree with you in a way that they make heaps and wont more and more but as I said I nearly cracked it and I would wont to get everything I could get before an injury (funny I was stopped before I started) and thats what I mean, players sign 70 million deals but they wont see like 80% of that and if there career is cut short they get some pay out when they got no other qualifications in life, there fault but still ...........I cant but it in words I dont I feel I understand there motives.

Also players can 'hold out' and the media, fans hammer them for doing so but teams can just cut players like that *snap*. But as I said with I agree with you and more and more what I'm reading in the media and such I starting to lean away from supporting the players wanting more money but rather them having some sort of security when its over.

Kust

Also I found some Deion 49er pics

the 4.45 40time was that hand timed or electronically timed?

 

[german]

That's not my time, thats primetime's time. For some reason I was never required to do the 40 but rather the 100m sprint and at my peak (obviously before my knee got busted, the event was the NSW rep. side and it was electronic timed) if I remember it was around the 11 - 11.5 mark. I was sick afterwards; I trained so hard for that stupid event - rediculeous hours in the gym, harsh harsh diet and slimmed down to a pretty unhealthy weight (compared to what I was usually at on matchday weight)

Kust

 

[giantfan121262]

I side with the owners all the way. I think that pro athletes are way too spoiled. they already make millions of dollars in their livlihood and alot go on to endorsement contracts and make 10 fold more. What kills me is that they still ask for more because their current contract isn't enough. I can't stand that.

The owners are the ones that take all the risks from a financial standpoint and I think their hands got tied when arbritation came into the picture. Now I am not saying that a great athlete doesn't deserve to get compensated more because there is a special talent there which not many people have. By the same token an athlete should ask himself if he can get their millions in a regular job working like you and me. I seriously doubt that.

I think again the free agency and arbritation really tied the owners hands where they have lost the authority to control their own organization and that sucks.