Is it ok for tickling models to dramarize and deliver a more powerful movie?

[skelyrata]

There are tickle models that are fakers,
most of then are ticklish, but not enough to look good on camera, but they know how to perform on top of their natural ticklishness.
other models are very good actors and actresses and can deliver a very convincing performance even if they are not that ticklish.

Now taking tickling videos as entertainment productions, do you enjoy all of the above, as long as the final product is entertaining and convincing? or would you rather cut all the acting and performance and prefer true and realistic reactions, even if it means no reactions at all?

Where are you members standing on this? Would you support a movie that is acted to deliver an over the chart dramatic peace, or the minute you spot acting you just discard it and pass the page looking for the next real tickling clip, like those on youtube, which lack any production value, but are real life tickling moment captured on camera.

In my case as a consumer, if the final product is good, it doesn't matter if is acted or real, but I don't want to be aware of the acting.

As a producer, I discuss before film starts what is the emotion I want to capture on the days hour of video so that the model can prepare mentally, emotionally and physically to react and deliver as planned.

 

[DontAskJusTckle]

An excellent question

If it's done tastefully and artfully, I think it can improve a video leaps and bounds. There are always those who will cry "FAKE!!" And them many of those same people will fondly remember how their tickling fetish started with Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

I think that Skelyrata and the other producers have developed the art of the tickling video beyond the wildest expectations of those of us who used to shell out 60-90 bucks for a VHS tape of feather and ice tickling.

Still, I have to say that some of the best ticking scenes I've seen are those that are 100% dramatization. I'm talking mainstream of course. Films done without any thought of a fetish audience.

I've often wondered what would it be like if somebody began making videos that were entirely staged, using professional Hollywood film techniques to make it look real. Though many will no doubt scoff at this idea, I think it really has potential.

 

[goro911]

Watching Darla Crane snicker effortlessly during "Welcome to Tickle Hell, Darla Crane!" is the worst example of tickle-acting i've ever seen. It wasnt just faking, it was the half-hearted faked hysterics that make that flick so bad. Watching her now get railed by gigantic weiners is a fitting punishment indeed!

 

[skelyrata]

You see?

Quoted GR violation removed.

You didn't answer the question!

 

[The Bandito]

My little opinion is that if I believe it, then it doesn't matter if it's real because it's real to me.

If you're gonna have a model fake it a bit...just make damn sure it's believable. because if it seems fake it's a total turn off. But if it SEEMS real...I won't know the difference, and will assume it IS real.

So although I don't want to wax too metaphysical...if it is indistinguishable from reality then it is, ipso facto reality.

XD

B

 

[goro911]

HAHAHA seriously this has to be the product of some poorly organized raid. We just had a whole thread about this!

How could pornography even be tactful? What a clown. StoneColdTruth you should be ashamed of yourself. I cannot believe you would put your name to a disgraceful post like that. When you're ready to apologize you can post it in this thread

 

[goro911]

And it is perfectly acceptable tickling to have an entertainer embellish and accentuate their natural ticklishness. But it's never acceptable to me as a customer to have unticklish fakers wailing til its payday

 

[MacD]

My opinion in general (please do NOT relate it to skelyrata, who started this discussion!):
Actors are fine when they are in a good movie. Same price as clips, much longer, better, more impressive and the actors are really good.
Tickle clips should be real for me. Particularly because the girls do not know how to act, one recognizes it faster than you would expect.

or the minute you spot acting you just discard it and pass the page looking for the next real tickling clip

Yes I actually do. That's why clips are uninteresting for me. Unfortunately I often noticed this after I bought the clips...

which lack any production value

What exactly is "production value"? For me there is more value when the models are natural and tickling is also.
Look at stuff like aliens, babysitters, mom and daughter (and you can't tell who is who) and all that. Most of them are set up and acted so strange and cheap. No professional means like perfect light, picture quality and so on can cover this ;-)


But some people seem to like it. There seem to be other fetishes that shall be present. I do not have a problem with that if I see it before I buy.
Why not make both, something bad for those who like weak clips, something real for others. But then please make it visible in previews and description.

 

[Coda]

skelyrata,

A reaction I've noticed is that viewers are sometimes unsatisfied because they buy a clip with the specific expectation of spontaneous and genuine reactions, and they realize they've bought something which -- while it may be great -- is something else.

Since almost all tickling clips are shot and sold for those very traits, I'd go ahead with the extra precaution to avoid that misunderstanding for the people that aren't actually looking for it. (Some are.)

 

[ndj101982]

I don't mind dramatizing, but I hate blatantly fake orgasms. Also, I don't like when a model can look directly into the camera for extended periods while being tickled, because if she can stare without wincing than she can't be that ticklish.

 

[LD_Tickler]

I'm good with a bit of acting, and it's downright necessary in vids that have a plot or some kind of motif. Addie adds a bit of acting sometimes, enhances it.

 

[rhiannon]

Where are you members standing on this? Would you support a movie that is acted to deliver an over the chart dramatic peace, or the minute you spot acting you just discard it and pass the page looking for the next real tickling clip, like those on youtube, which lack any production value, but are real life tickling moment captured on camera.

or would you rather cut all the acting and performance and prefer true and realistic reactions, even if it means no reactions at all?

If I want drama, acting or performance, I watch Hollywood. From a tickling clip I expect true reactions. Personally I believe a producer of tickling clips should make sure that the models are actually ticklish.

If there are no reactions at all, that model shouldn't be in a tickling clip.

 

[Artoo]

Quoted GR violation removed. Artoo you know that you should report them not quote them.

 

[mustang]

I see tickling videos as a form of erotic art. The important thing is for a video to stimulate the eros. Most are acceptable, but occasionally you see one that makes your hand tremble. Everyone has their 'thing', but for me it is slow, sexy toe and foot movements in response to the tickling. If it takes coaching and a little acting to make a video erotic, then so be it. After all, most people buy a clip in order to get eroticized For me, the tickle tease series that Tickle Abuse 2 does is the most erotic thing going, but you could do some great ones too if you wanted to. Bottom line, I agree with your thinking. Coach the models to evoke an erotic response in the viewer, but do it in a believable way.

 

[Deleted member 2452]

i wanna see laughter

even if that means embelishing, or gilding the lilly.

steve

 

[tku]

Jebus

No. No, It is not ok for "tickling models to dramarize" and it does not deliver a "more powerful movie" - however you dress it up, it is a con. Sure, some say ignorance is bliss and there's probably times where fakery slips under the radar due to the way the clip is edited, but in general it's a pretty counter-productive approach since a.) it's usually blindingly obvious and b.) primarily reflects very poorly on the producer.

We all know the regular faces and culprits that are on every other clips4sale store doing every tickle clip they can find, because it's obviously easy money for them. I appreciate working with girls like this makes life easier when hiring models, since they undoubtedly land right on your doorstep with supreme enthusiasm and are real easy to work with, but as a consumer ...I don't consider it my purpose to settle for less in order to make a producer's life easier. If anybody knowingly works with models who "deliver a very convincing performance even if they are not that ticklish" and then palms the material off on the general public/community under a guise - they become a sellout by definition (unless the clip is advertised as "fake, for entertainment purposes only"(which I'll believe when I see it))

Sorry if that sounds harsh to anyone it may apply to, but the truth is not always what you want it to be 😛 I have a lot of respect for producers such as Way Too Ticklish, Czech Tickling and UK Tickling, amongst others, who tend to film scenes in as few cuts as possible (this is a major difference between most top quality and recycle bin standard material), never insult the viewer's intelligence when advertising their clips and work hard to select only the best models.

In the words of Yaqi, I watch clips for "masturbatory purposes" I think of tickle clips as pornography, not "entertainment productions" and I have zero desire to pay money to watch pretentious, amateurish producers cumbersomely attempt to combine their desire to be Steven Spielberg with their inability to audition models. The idea is to make a video archive of a great tickle session - Keep it simple: audition and hire only the best models no matter if it's sometimes difficult, choose and stick to one or two clear camera angles and do your thing. That way, at least people can critique your work and your style honestly and you can say you take an ounce of pride in your work with a straight face 🙂

 

[miskiduk]

Even if the model isn't particularly ticklish I still prefer to see the genuine reactions. The slightest hint of forcing it and 'laughing a bit too much' completely ruins it I think.
As for stuff like plot lines, nice idea but just never seems to work. It always ends up being a bit cheesy and crap. I find myself hoping they'd just stop pissing around and get on with the tickling, which is what I wanted to see after all. What's wrong with the only plot being 'here is a cute girl and she's gonna be tickled, for real'?
I've always liked CTG clips for the fact I can't understand a bloody word they're saying 🙂 Absolutely no chance of a corny line spoiling the fun!

 

[tku]

haha true 😀

 

[Artoo]

Question for all the people who don't like the fake reactions - how can you be sure that ANY of the reactions you see in a clip are genuine?

I'm not saying that there are no genuinely ticklish models out there, but I would hazard a guess that some of you are less good at spotting embellished reactions than you give yourselves credit for.

 

[miskiduk]

Question for all the people who don't like the fake reactions - how can you be sure that ANY of the reactions you see in a clip are genuine?

I'm not saying that there are no genuinely ticklish models out there, but I would hazard a guess that some of you are less good at spotting embellished reactions than you give yourselves credit for.

But in that case it wouldn't matter 😀

 

[dusttick11]

I prefer the reactions to be real. However, as
others have pointed out, if you can't tell I guess
there is no harm no foul. If you enjoy the clip and
it seems genuinely real, I guess it's all good.
Ticklish reactions are a funny phenomenon (no pun intended).
Some may seem faked but are actually real. So, it's sometimes
hard to tell. Still all that being said the more real the better.

The thing that has become very old and tiresome in my opinion is not
so much the reactions as the constant use of some of the same
models by multiple companies. Some of these woman have worked
with many different producers. That's getting very old, so I only buy
from the producers that use fresh faces. Girl next door types. A
model who may only do a few shoots with one producer and never do a
tickling shoot again.

Now, I'm sure that it's probably hard to find talent for tickle clips.
However, If I was making tickle clips I would certainly not use a model
who's been in clips for 5 or 6 other producers. I've noticed a lot of that
going on recently.

So, my hat goes off to those producers who get fresh faced(real
people not models)talent to star in their clips. That undoubtedly
must be a serious chore.

 

[herts tickler]

Question for all the people who don't like the fake reactions - how can you be sure that ANY of the reactions you see in a clip are genuine?

I'm not saying that there are no genuinely ticklish models out there, but I would hazard a guess that some of you are less good at spotting embellished reactions than you give yourselves credit for.

dude i can tell a fake! my gf havs 7 orgasms EVERY time we have sex and dosnt fake any of them...

 

[tku]

Question for all the people who don't like the fake reactions - how can you be sure that ANY of the reactions you see in a clip are genuine?

I'm not saying that there are no genuinely ticklish models out there, but I would hazard a guess that some of you are less good at spotting embellished reactions than you give yourselves credit for.

I'm sure it's not always possible to tell and I wouldn't ever profess to being infallible, but then I'm certainly no conspiracy theorist when it comes to models being ticklish either. I've personally known plenty of genuinely ticklish girls with muted or plain zany reactions as often as I've known the hysterical ones and it's all good. It's really a question of if a producer is knowingly trying to dupe his customers or not for me - I don't respect people who bend the truth in order to line their own pockets 🙂

No doubt it's a lot harder to be able to judge this kind of thing watching a clip on a monitor than in real life, but poor editing and excessive cuts (where the only explanation for stitching cuts together would be to attempt to hide a model desensitising/stopping acting convincingly or just beng inept as a producer) ruins clips for me personally. Unfortunately, it's very hard to tell this type of clip before you actually buy it as previews tend to be a succession of cuts by their very nature 😛

Naturally, pro fetish models work for a plethora of sites, where eventually it's not uncommon to see them being tickled in a non tickle shoot and some just don't crack a smile or react - that one pretty much lets the cat out of the bag. I've also chatted on cam with a few pros who do tickle shoots that just aren't ticklish - and it's not like I wouldn't prefer if they were 😀

Truth is, I don't really care if a model is ticklish or not as long as there's no misleading advertising implying otherwise. The rebuttal is always along the lines of "it's a fantasy" and artistic licence, while ham acting is brushed aside as "I only work with ticklish models" but to me a con is a con even if it's dressed up as something tasty... either way 🙂

...
So, my hat goes off to those producers who get fresh faced(real
people not models)talent to star in their clips. That undoubtedly
must be a serious chore.

Amen 🙂

dude i can tell a fake! my gf havs 7 orgasms EVERY time we have sex and dosnt fake any of them...

I'm saying nothing 😀

 

[tku]

My pleasure, the truth is free 🙂

 

[SteakDinnerBoom]

I suppose any woman could be faking being ticklish and the only way to really know is to hook her up to a lie detector and not everyone even believes in those either. But if I have a choice, I want genuine ticklish reactions and if a woman is ticklish enough there's no need to fake anything. If I want to see acting I'll watch Bambi Bimbette fake orgasms in vanilla pornos.