Is There Such Thing As Consensual Non-Consensual Tickling?

[drew70]

Consentual Non-Consentual....here's the way I see it happening.

Lee: I want you to tickle me for 30 minutes, non stop, unless you need a break, no matter what I say or how I say it.

Ler: Seriously? WHat if you're begging and cursing?

Lee: I don't care. Non-stop...I want to be tickle tortured. In fact *hands Ler duct tape or a ball gag* here - so there's no confusion.

Ler: Okay...but I'm not gonna take it easy on you...

Lee: *grins* I'm counting on it.

Ler: *gags lee, ties them down, and has at it*

So, yes, despite unpopular opinion, "consentual non-consentual" can exist, it's just incredibly rare, I assume.

In this scenario, Lee has given blanket consent for a specific duration. There's no indication that Ler went beyond that boundary. In short, we see consent, but where is the non-consent??

As for a situation where the Ler tickle-attacks the Lee without prior warning, I also believe that it can be consentually non-consentual. I've been in the situation myself when I was younger, even now with my current girlfriend. Pinning someone to a bed or the floor and tickling them silly while they beg and plead for you to stop, though titters and giggles and squeals. All the while, they don't really want you to stop, but they'll never admit that, so they put of a front of non-consentuality.

It's not a front of non-consentuality. It IS non-consentuality. It's not up to you to decide whether she really wants it or not. That is a rapist's mentality. Whatever she tells you, you'd better fucking listen.
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[ViperGTS]

DVNC: Good point...you say it more eloquently than I can. 😀

In this scenario, Lee has given blanket consent for a specific duration. There's no indication that Ler went beyond that boundary. In short, we see consent, but where is the non-consent??

I didn't think I would have to actually spell out the idea that after the tickle torture starts in the first scenario, at some point, the Lee would likely begin asking for a way out, begging for mercy as a knee-jerk reaction, even though deep down, she wants it to continue.

Sorry, I assumed you could read between the lines. I'll not make that mistake again.

It's not a front of non-consentuality. It IS non-consentuality. It's not up to you to decide whether she really wants it or not. That is a rapist's mentality. Whatever she tells you, you'd better fucking listen.

Wrong. Very, very, very wrong. This would be a front of non-consentuality, since, as I neglected to explain in the previous post, my girlfriend will ask, nay, beg me to stop, then, when I do, she says, "Awww, why'd you stop?"

Heh. 🙄

Besides, here is a good example. In November, I am travelling to Ohio to Bella's birthday party. At some point, Bella and I are going to play. That kind of play with probably entail some nice spanking and intense tickling. I am sure that in spite of enjoying every second of it, she will ask me to stop once or twice. And she will agree with me - she won't mean it.

 

[SapphireRose]

Viper is right. I don't use safewords because I trust him, and no matter how much I say no to him, he knows I don't mean it. He can also tell by my body language if I really do need him to stop.

 

[dvnc]

For the reading audience - if you play with anyone sane, and you start yelling "safeword!" over and over again, and the scene doesn't stop, they're serious not so clued.

Mind you, if you're dumb enough to yell "safeword!" to anyone when you don't want play to stop, you probably don't deserve the play. Any play. Ever.

It's the one safety rule. That one dumb word is the panic button. Just don't use it unless you wanna be done for the day, sittin' 'cross a table wit' a cup o' tea and no possibility of play until you and your play partner figure out which of you messed up, and WHY.

Oh, if you don't mess up ever, expect discomfort. Perfect folk get crucified, burned at the stake, drown, etc. Everyone makes mistakes. It's the process AFTER you've made it that determines whether your play partner made a mistake playing with you.

Negotiation beforehand. Discussion and aftercare afterward. Simple.

 

[msangerl]

No can mean yes but you better be perceptive

Okay, this is coming from a guy who has never and would never tie up and tickle a woman whether requested or not. Basically at heart I would consider myself a lee anyway (but also more fantasy than reality). However, I do feel obligated to share my personal experiences as it relates to the comments by ittakes10. A little about me as objectively as I can. I am 6'5" 240 ex college b-ball player, top 10 MBA, investment banker and almost (modesty not to alienenate) without exception considered very easy on the eyes. I have experienced countless times when a women has invited me in for a night cap, unequivacably asserting that she is not seducing me and that nothing is going to happen (of an amourous nature). Typically I find this refreshing in that I can enjoy my wine and head home for a good nights sleep. I also need to preface this by saying you (and I'll provide names and numbers - that I remember) not a one would ever characterize me as aggressive, obnoxious, or anything less than a true gentleman (despite the aforementioned I am a little shy when it comes to women). I will also say without qualification that almost without exception their vow of celebacy for the evening goes right out the window. My pi\oint is that there is no mystery regarding a womens initial negative forcefield. What else is she going to say to both protect her physically and reputation-wise. Whats the alternative, "hey come on in and have a drink with me and then I'm going to screw your brains out"?

Anyway, I thought about what the original post I'm aligning with said and how it could be misconscrewed as barbaric and provide some real anecdotal evidence that there is a great deal of truth to what he said. I hope I interpreted his comments correctly and am not putting words in his mouth.