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Is this Non-Consensual? You Decide. :)

brotherted

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As long as no one seems distressed, traumatized or angry -- those are the real tests for me, not advanced consent.

(You can always just not watch, of course.)

Anyway, it's thoroughly public to the whole world on YouTube, so why shouldn't people here know about it:
https://www.youtube [dot] com/watch?v=acX8z9LmGjI

Okay, queue the hostile comments! 🙂
 
I'd say no, I don't speak French but it doesn't appear like she told them to stop and they proceeded anyway.
 
I don't see any major problems here, she obviously didn't know what was about to happen but other than that she wasn't distressed.
She says "no" a few times though and when the feather is handed to someone in the crowd (presumably one of her friends or boyfriend) she responds with "oh no... not that",
by 1:35 she clearly had enough and asks them to stop and they immediately do.

At the end the man asks "so... do I release her or?..." and the friend replies jokingly "no no... just guard her 🙂"
 
This is a Renfaire. If this woman wanted them to stop and began screaming her head off and they still continued, I'm sure, even in France, their asses would have been locked up. She may or may not have known the tickling was coming, but when it did, she just went along with it. When it was apparent she'd had enough and told them to stop they did right away. I think she was a good sport.
 
I agree with all of the above. It seems as good natured as the Italian versions, and those of you who understand French can read into the playfulness of the whole thing. The didn't really tickle her excessively hard, and the most invasive part was taking off her socks and moving her cardigan to get to her armpits briefly.
I'm pretty sure if there was legitimate panic, they would have stopped immediately.
 
Yeah this is another renfaire clip and I'm fairly certain everyone involved in these agreed to everything beforehand. Why did you say
Okay, queue the hostile comments!
are you trying to get people to argue with you or something?
 
Yeah this is another renfaire clip and I'm fairly certain everyone involved in these agreed to everything beforehand. Why did you say are you trying to get people to argue with you or something?

Not at all.

In many of the Renfaire clips, and believe me I've seen them all, it's clear that the girl does not understand that tickling is part of the game in advance, or have even any sense of what's about to happen. Why do I say that? Many times, once she's already strapped in, you'll see them begin to remove her shoes and socks, and you'll see her object to that and scream no, yet they'll continue anyway. Then, other times, once they reveal a giant feather to her for the first time, you'll see a look of sudden awareness on her face, along with a big "oh no" reaction. Not the looks of people who know the drill in advance -- and no, they're not all great little actors.

The reactions show there's just no way all these girls knew about the tickling. (I know that sometimes the guys in Renaissance character tell her "you're being punished for disrespecting the King's flag, come with me" and she just goes along.)

Again, I'm fine with the whole thing. As long as a girl doesn't look truly traumatized or angry at any point, I think it's all great. But for years, I've seen what I'll call "Consent Nazi's" here who take the position that consent must always be given in advance of tickling, and especially if the girl is tied up. Anytime a video has the theme of booking a "bondage model who's then surprised with tickling," like the old Tickle Slave series (which is essentially what Renfaire clips do), they freak out.
 
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