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Is tickling cheating?

The amount of time and energy required to read all 5 pages of posts seems too intense right now, so I'll just post my response, and if I'm beating the proverbial dead horse, so be it.

You are asking for an objective answer to a subjective question. In order to partake in "cheating", one has to do something that makes a person feel "cheated", and each person feels cheated in different ways.

Thus, what will qualify as cheating to one person does not necessarily mean it's cheating to someone else.

So, in order to fully answer your question (since I'm assuming the OP wants to tickle someone outside of their relationship, and is looking for arguments to support them doing so), you have to ask yourself "Will __________ be upset, hurt or feel cheated if I do this?" That's the only way you can know for sure.

This needs to immediately be followed by a second question. "Do I care if they feel this way?" Harsh as it is to type, you might not. You might be just fine with them feeling cheated, and while I would recommend re-evaluating the entire relationship at that point, it's a point worth considering.

Once you've considered those questions, you'll have a better idea of what you want to do.

That's very well put. I feel like the subject of cheating in general is really not a grey one. your s/o is the only judge of what is and isnt cheating, no one else not even yourself. The difficulty lies in deciding to stay or go if you don't see eye to eye. Some people don't like checks and balances in their relationship but they don't want the trouble of calling it quits. They make it a grey area in order to stay on the fence.

Begging the question of caring whether your s/o feels a certain way is absolutely necessary. It's harsh but ultimately a deciding factor in your decisions.
 
That's patently absurd. A husband planning a surprise party for his wife has to be discreet. That doesn't make him a cheater.

And what happened to the Rhiannon Dogma? I'm talking about your repeated insistence that only the SO can decide what behaviors qualify as cheating? Now you're saying that being discreet about an activity makes it cheating??

Let me know when you make up your mind.

No, not rocket science at all. Just your opinion, and about as far from rocket science as it gets.

Because we're not talking about a sexual activity or a sexual fetish. We're talking about tickling.

Or you can forgo delusion altogether and simply refuse to wring your hands over a lot of needless guilt.

Sorry, Hari. That's an argument that would easily suffer defeat at the hands of even a novice debater.

Tickling is not a fetish. It's an activity. The word fetish only describes a particular level of interest in the activity by a particular person or persons. That level of interest doesn't change the activity into something new that it wasn't before.

When somebody develops a fetish for tickling, the only thing that has changed is their thoughts and attitudes toward the tickling. It most certainly does not transform tickling into a sexual activity.

I think I've demonstrated pretty conclusively that it is not.

One place I definitely draw that line is right at the notion that sex is one thing for this person, but something else for another person. That is bullshit on steroids, my friend.

Those are both clearly sexual activities that involve direct stimulation of the genitals that's very likely to result in an orgasm. It would be hopeless to try and defend either of them as not sexual, as Bill Clinton found out.

Kind of vague here. Foot fetish activies can range from scoping feet at the beach all the way to sucking the toes of a 45 year old cougar. The scoping can't be interpreted as sex in any way shape or form. The toe sucking? While not sex, it's a little too close to kissing to be considered a platonic act.

That depends on what is being groped. If it's a crotch or a breast, we're talking about deliberate stimulation of the errogenous zones. In other words, sexual behavior. If it's a shoulder or elbow, probably not so much.

LOL. Here in our side of the pond, we call that a "Cleveland Steamer." :laughhard: :bwahaha:

Except tickling is never a fetish. It's an activity, The term fetish only applies to someone's interest in that activity. I'll assume that what you mean is "Tickling, when somebody has a fetish for it, falls into the same category."

Same category as what? I mean, oral sex and handjobs fall into the category of sex. But surely a Cleveland Steamer doesn't.

Whatever lines are drawn with tickling have to apply to everybody, Hari. We're all human beings here. We're all part of the same species. Whatever qualifies as sex to one qualifies as sex to everybody.

The key phrase here is "for me." It sounds like you're talking about a guilty conscience. I can understand you not wanting to feed it, but it doesn't give you the right to say, "Well, since tickling outside of my relationship makes me feel guilty and/or uncomfortable, that means it's cheating." Some of us tickle outside of our significant relationships with no such compunctions at all. We are AOK with it. We don't ask if it's cheating because we know it isn't. We don't have to be discreet, but rather freely choose to be discreet.

Hey man, if it's all the same to you, I'd prefer to just shake hands. 😛

Interesting choice of words there. More on this, later.

I think it would be more accurate to say, "Some people, most tickle fetishists I imagine, regard tickling with a considerably greater interest than the mainstream does - an interest that often eclipses their interest in sex."

I say it that way because your way suggests that tickling is one thing to most people and another thing altogether with tickle fetishists. It's not. It's the same thing. The only difference is our reaction to it.

Who on Earth told you that? No, the rules were already established long before either one of us were born. They only change if you willingly change them, and even then, you can only change them for yourself. None of us have the authority to change them for anybody else.

Why?

SEXUAL desires yes. Tickling desires are something else altogether, as has been demonstrated time and time again.

LOL. Are we getting religious here? Tickling means the same thing to me that it does to everybody else. Touching a ticklish spot to induce laughter.

Alas, I suppose it was too much to ask of a tickle fetishist, to seperate sex from tickling. Regardless of whatever thrill you get from it, tickling is not sex. It can be mixed with sex, just like whipped cream can, but it's not sex any more than whipped cream is. So if you engage with tickling outside of your relationship, you are not "taking your sex life to another person."

I really feel bad for you, Hari. You spoke of a "get out of jail free" card. That's a more apt analogy than you realize. You're incarcerated in a prison of guilt and self-imposed restrictions. Your friends have the freedom and luxury to indulge in tickling as much as they like, conscience free. But if you do it, you are penalized, criminalized and ostracized, all for simply liking it more than they do. And all this condemnation is brought on not by society. But by your own guilty conscience.

It's time break away from such balderdash. Free your mind, Neo.

Tickle fetishists have a wonderful advantage that the rest of the world will never know. They have sex. We have tickling. They have to do their thing behind closed doors and sans clothes. We can do our thing in public settings, fully clothed.

The societal rules that apply to sex don't apply to tickling, unless we make a conscious decision to apply them, which in my book is pointless and silly.

Your argument, from what I gather, essentially is based upon what you view tickling as an activity only. And you're right, it IS an activity but that doesn't mean it isn't a fetish, we aren't all the same and that counts for something. The way people view things changes situations and the feelings those situations result in. If I tried to say to my girlfriend after having a secret tickle session that it wasn't sexual cause in THAT situation so she can't call it cheating, that wouldn't fly, and with good reason. It's an excuse. Now as with anything, it does depend.

If a person can take part in a tickle session that would normally turn them on without getting turned on cause they've successfully separated their tickle fetish from their sexual desires then there might be an argument in there somewhere for it not to be legitimate cheating but how the hell are you going to explain that to the partner? Cause it's gonna have the same affect regardless and they ain't gonna believe them. And that's why we ask surely? People wanna know if they are going to get in trouble if they do it behind their partners back. Your advice or views if followed are almost definitely going to get them in trouble with their partners. And they can sit there and quote all the excuses you've come up with till their blue in the face but the fact will remain, the partner will see them taking the fetish to someone else and view it as cheating, and they will almost certainly regret it. And I would have to side with the pissed off partner, in my books it's cheating and if it isn't and I'm wrong? Fuck it, it's gonna have the same awful results regardless.

Don't feel sorry for me, It's that mentality that gets to a newbie to the tickle world, being in doubt and feeling outcast and different because they find a "normal activity" sexual. I'm not in that boat anymore and it's not because I decided that I would act like everyone else and live by the social norm because I accepted I'm not part o the social norm in that regard. I am as I am. There's a lot to be said for self acceptance. I have't found living with the morals I have to be any less than pleasurable.

I would say I feel bad for you for seeing things the way you do but I'm sure you're happy the way you are and believing the things you do.

At the end of the day, we don't agree. And we won't. My aim though is to offer good advise and whilst your advise is valid and thought provoking, I'm pretty certain that if people don't want to fuck up their relationships, they won't take leaves out of your book and will instead keep their tickle fetish to their partner unless for some reason it's been deemed ok to do otherwise.
 
Your argument, from what I gather, essentially is based upon what you view tickling as an activity only. And you're right, it IS an activity but that doesn't mean it isn't a fetish, we aren't all the same and that counts for something. The way people view things changes situations and the feelings those situations result in. If I tried to say to my girlfriend after having a secret tickle session that it wasn't sexual cause in THAT situation so she can't call it cheating, that wouldn't fly, and with good reason. It's an excuse. Now as with anything, it does depend.

If a person can take part in a tickle session that would normally turn them on without getting turned on cause they've successfully separated their tickle fetish from their sexual desires then there might be an argument in there somewhere for it not to be legitimate cheating but how the hell are you going to explain that to the partner? Cause it's gonna have the same affect regardless and they ain't gonna believe them. And that's why we ask surely? People wanna know if they are going to get in trouble if they do it behind their partners back. Your advice or views if followed are almost definitely going to get them in trouble with their partners. And they can sit there and quote all the excuses you've come up with till their blue in the face but the fact will remain, the partner will see them taking the fetish to someone else and view it as cheating, and they will almost certainly regret it. And I would have to side with the pissed off partner, in my books it's cheating and if it isn't and I'm wrong? Fuck it, it's gonna have the same awful results regardless.

Don't feel sorry for me, It's that mentality that gets to a newbie to the tickle world, being in doubt and feeling outcast and different because they find a "normal activity" sexual. I'm not in that boat anymore and it's not because I decided that I would act like everyone else and live by the social norm because I accepted I'm not part o the social norm in that regard. I am as I am. There's a lot to be said for self acceptance. I have't found living with the morals I have to be any less than pleasurable.

I would say I feel bad for you for seeing things the way you do but I'm sure you're happy the way you are and believing the things you do.

At the end of the day, we don't agree. And we won't. My aim though is to offer good advise and whilst your advise is valid and thought provoking, I'm pretty certain that if people don't want to fuck up their relationships, they won't take leaves out of your book and will instead keep their tickle fetish to their partner unless for some reason it's been deemed ok to do otherwise.

Wise Words, but they won't resonate with their intended recipients. There's no common frame of reference, and their perspective is obviously 180 degrees from where you are.
Those that are lucky enough to have Significant Others (who know of their interests) already understand. Otherwise, they wouldn't have Significant Others.
 
So, yah I'm not bored enough to read the last 5 pages, but anyways there is a very important thing that has been overlooked by some of the more recent posts. I don't know if it has been brought up before, but here it is anyways followed by a couple of brief examples! Its not so much the activity itself, but the overall situation and events that lead up to it that can basically turn a kinky fun thing into the person being perceived as a creepy pervert in a negative way.

Scenario 1)
Average het male with tickle fetish, with an average het female vanilla. He is not getting "enough" tickling in his relationship and she doesn't know he has a fetish for tickling. So, without his SO knowing he meets up with either pros or other women from online for some tickle fun. Eventually, she begins to notice "cheater signs" in his behavior, for instance; "I have to work late," but instead is meeting up with another woman; "I'm going out with the boys," and again is meeting up with another woman. Basically not being where he said he would be and lying to her which will cause her to become suspicious of him. So, she eventually catches him meeting up with this other woman or she "walks" in on the tickle fun.
Now do you think she would want to hear the excuses?
Do you think she would ever believe that there is nothing else happening other than bondage and tickling?
And if she did believe you about the bondage and tickling, do you think she would give you another chance?
If she really liked/cared for you do you think she might feel "insufficient" as a partner? Cause, basically you just "slapped" her in the face telling her she is not enough and that for whatever reasons you had you did not feel comfortable with her to have an adult talk with her about the various things you would like to do or try in the bedroom.

Scenario 2)
Basically the same as before, but lets say you do decide to tell her about your fetish. And she doesn't want to indulge you anywhere near the level that you would like/crave. Now why would you not at this point ask her if she would be ok with you having tickle fun outside the relationship? Basically try to come to some sort of an agreement that can reassure your partner while getting you needs met too. And if she wont come to some agreement with you that should be a fairly good indication to move on.

Now lets say you don't ask her if it is ok, and you decide to meet up with other women for tickle fun. Don't you think that she might have a hard time believing once again that it was only for tickle fun? And since she knows about your tickle fetish, don't you think she might be hurt by these meet-ups?

Not only that, but if your SO saw you tickling other women even if it was strictly platonic, she could misinterpret the goofing around and think it is more than innocent flirting.


So, basically what I'm trying to get at is that is not so much the act of the tickling itself, but all the efforts that are put into arranging and hiding the fact that you are meeting up with another person. And all these actions are typically going to lead your SO to think that you are some creepy pervert. Cause at this point it wont matter that they just walked in on you and other person with one of you in bondage (stocks, hogtie, spread-eagle, etc) regardless of the amount of clothing both of you have on and all that was happening at that time is tickling. The SO wont know what has happened in the past or what you were going to do in the future, but they will know that what they just walked in on is something they most likely will not like or approve of you being with another person. And now you have been caught in doing something that looks bad regardless of how "innocent" the intended activity(ies) were going to be or have been.

Oh, and meeting up with another guy would have just as much if not possibly more of a negative impact on the situation. Because of the misconception that you can "turn" someone gay or straight.
 
Because we're not talking about a sexual activity or a sexual fetish. We're talking about tickling.

Newsflash: this is a Tickling Fetish Forum! For most people here, tickling IS a sexual fetish! Maybe not for you, but for a majority! So if those people go set up a tickling sessions behind their SO's back with someone else, it qualifies as cheating, because it is - yes, an activity, but a sexual activity!

You say it yourself right here:

They have sex. We have tickling.

You yourself even put it in relation!
 
It is definitely a... Unique view on fetish, sex and relationships in general. I just hope that no one takes the advice stated in his posts, because it would surely cost them the trust of their S/O, if not the entire relationship.



Agreed, I believe I said that in my first post .... normally I just think "you can't fix stupid" and move on but I just cant help it with this one!
 
So... If I've got a healthy "interest" in sex... and I cannot get what I want at home, and it's mearly an interest... going behind my S/O's back would be ok?
That's for you and him to work out. But by default, that would be considered cheating by the vast majority of people in the world, because you're talking about having sex outside the relationship.

Oh btw- the surprise party analogy, is reaching, that's something that you DO FOR your S/O... as something for them, a treat, a special event....
Which underscores the point I was making when debunking Rhiannon's silly claim that "as soon as you have to be discreet - it's cheating." I gave an example of an obvious non-cheating situation in which a guy "had to be discreet," thus blowing that notion to kingdom come.

... it's not meeting up with someone behind their back to engage in an activity that you casually compare to golf or video games.....
You're mistaking example for comparison. I gave golf and ice cream as examples of something a guy might do without disclosing it to his SO. You see, at the time it was being suggested that if you do something without telling your SO (or as you like to put it, "behind your S/O's back") that qualifies as "cheating." By citing these mundane examples, I effectively blew that notion to kingdom come.

Granted, yes, for SOME people tickling is not sexual... but for the general population it is... and so in GENERAL yes, it's cheating.
You're cheating yourself of credibility if you really think that tickling is sexual for the general population. :crazy:

Again, if you have to out and hide the activity from your S/O, you're clearly feeling like you're doing something wrong
On the other hand, if your discretion is decided out of choice rather than necessity, it has no bearing whatsoever on right and wrong.

therefore...................................... if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it sure as hell aint a fricken moose.
Charles Darwin, move aside. There's a new ground-breaking scientist in town! :laughhard: :bwahaha:

Your argument, from what I gather, essentially is based upon what you view tickling as an activity only. And you're right, it IS an activity but that doesn't mean it isn't a fetish, we aren't all the same and that counts for something. The way people view things changes situations and the feelings those situations result in. If I tried to say to my girlfriend after having a secret tickle session that it wasn't sexual cause in THAT situation so she can't call it cheating, that wouldn't fly, and with good reason. It's an excuse. Now as with anything, it does depend.

If a person can take part in a tickle session that would normally turn them on without getting turned on cause they've successfully separated their tickle fetish from their sexual desires then there might be an argument in there somewhere for it not to be legitimate cheating but how the hell are you going to explain that to the partner? Cause it's gonna have the same affect regardless and they ain't gonna believe them. And that's why we ask surely? People wanna know if they are going to get in trouble if they do it behind their partners back. Your advice or views if followed are almost definitely going to get them in trouble with their partners. And they can sit there and quote all the excuses you've come up with till their blue in the face but the fact will remain, the partner will see them taking the fetish to someone else and view it as cheating, and they will almost certainly regret it. And I would have to side with the pissed off partner, in my books it's cheating and if it isn't and I'm wrong? Fuck it, it's gonna have the same awful results regardless.

Don't feel sorry for me, It's that mentality that gets to a newbie to the tickle world, being in doubt and feeling outcast and different because they find a "normal activity" sexual. I'm not in that boat anymore and it's not because I decided that I would act like everyone else and live by the social norm because I accepted I'm not part o the social norm in that regard. I am as I am. There's a lot to be said for self acceptance. I have't found living with the morals I have to be any less than pleasurable.

I would say I feel bad for you for seeing things the way you do but I'm sure you're happy the way you are and believing the things you do.

At the end of the day, we don't agree. And we won't. My aim though is to offer good advise and whilst your advise is valid and thought provoking, I'm pretty certain that if people don't want to fuck up their relationships, they won't take leaves out of your book and will instead keep their tickle fetish to their partner unless for some reason it's been deemed ok to do otherwise.
LOL. Okay, man. Fair enough. I won't feel bad for you. But my advice still stands, not just for you, but for anybody who for whatever reason feels compelled to apply the rules of sex and romance to tickling.

Before I continue to the others, you did ask a question, and I feel it would be rude of me not to answer. The question you asked was,

"If a person can take part in a tickle session that would normally turn them on without getting turned on cause they've successfully separated their tickle fetish from their sexual desires then there might be an argument in there somewhere for it not to be legitimate cheating but how the hell are you going to explain that to the partner?"​

The same way you'd explain that you got a boner while dancing with her sister. Apologetically. :blaugh:

Okay, seriously, there are all kinds of things besides sex that can turn a guy on. I have a Chinese doctor. Attractive female. When she goosed me (to check my prostate) it was a turn on. If a woman knows anything at all about men, they know that we're different from them in that we don't need a relationship with a woman to be turned on by her. They don't like this, and it's a source of frequent frustration on their part, but they know it.

So what I do to mitigate this is that I don't talk to them about what turns me on except for the obvious things like women's breasts, butts, and my wall poster of Shirley Booth in a bikini. :veryhappy I don't mention to her about what a turn-on it was when Dr. Chan goosed me, or that I imagined Dr. Chan wearing a black leather teddy as she was deep inside me.

But most importantly, I don't make the mistake of marrying tickling with sex. I keep them separate. Every SO I've been with knows I like tickling, and they sense that at times I'm turned on by it. But I never want her to equate tickling with sex, because that slams the door on any extra-relational tickling that might come my way.

Consequently, I never have to worry about the scenario you described.

Newsflash: this is a Tickling Fetish Forum!
Newsflash: This is the Tickling MEDIA Forum, not the Tickling FETISH Forum.

For most people here, tickling IS a sexual fetish! Maybe not for you, but for a majority!
That's all well and good, but I don't live here on the TMF. When I log out, I'm back in the real world. You know, that place where 99+ % of people ascribe no sexual connotations to the act of tickling. So there's your greater majority.

So if those people go set up a tickling sessions behind their SO's back with someone else, it qualifies as cheating, because it is - yes, an activity, but a sexual activity!
Just because an activity turns you or me on, that doesn't magically transform it into a sexual activity. It's the same activity regardless of how much we like it. An activity deemed not sexual by the vast majority of people in the world. So no, it's not cheating, unless both parties agree that it is. Barring that one caveat, ticking will never ever be cheating, Rhiannon.

...yes, an activity, but a sexual activity! You say it yourself right here:

They have sex. *We have tickling.

You yourself even put it in relation!
LOL. I'm curious. Is Germany anywhere near Amsterdam?

How can you possibly interpret what I said there as a statement that tickling is a sexual activity? In fact, I was stating the differences between the two activities. Sex is what they have. Tickling is what we have. I went on to describe the difference even further by saying that they have to do their thing (sex) behind closed doors and sans clothes, whereas we can do our thing (tickling) out in public, fully clothed.

.... normally I just think "you can't fix stupid" and move on but I just cant help it with this one!
Well, the blind can't very well lead the blind, that's for sure. 😉
 
But most importantly, I don't make the mistake of marrying tickling with sex. I keep them separate. Every SO I've been with knows I like tickling, and they sense that at times I'm turned on by it. But I never want her to equate tickling with sex, because that slams the door on any extra-relational tickling that might come my way.

And that's where the disagreement sits. You don't want to be honest about the fact your fetish is sexual, so that you can avoid being accused of cheating if you have a tickle session outside of the relationship. This is where we disagree, I'm saying it's still cheating whether or not your partner realizes it is or not. I would rather be honest about it and keep my sexual desires to my partner, in turn ruling out other possible tickle sessions, than be dishonest about it and make excuses.

The difference between sex and tickling in this respect is that as tickling isn't inherently sexual, you can act this way and get away with it, whereas that would never work with sex. That doesn't make it ok to do though. It would still be cheating. By the sounds of it, you deliberately set your relationships up with the open door of being able to cheat and get away with it and as a result, yeh, you might get to enjoy your fetish a lot more often and with a lot more variation than someone like me. But to me, the bond between me and my partner is more important than any of that. I wouldn't want to have tickle sessions OR sex with anyone else, whether I could get away with it or not.
 
And that's where the disagreement sits. You don't want to be honest about the fact your fetish is sexual, so that you can avoid being accused of cheating if you have a tickle session outside of the relationship.
Evidently we have different definitions of "honest." Mine doesn't happen to include a full disclosure of each and every thing that has the potential to excite me.

This is where we disagree, I'm saying it's still cheating whether or not your partner realizes it is or not. I would rather be honest about it and keep my sexual desires to my partner, in turn ruling out other possible tickle sessions, than be dishonest about it and make excuses.
That's probably a good idea if you can't seem to maintain the distinction between sex and tickling. I've had many sexual encounters with no tickling at all involved. I've had many tickling encounters in which there was nothing sexual about it. I prefer to honestly acknowledge the difference between the two activities, rather than to be dishonest and make excuses to ignore it.

The difference between sex and tickling in this respect is that as tickling isn't inherently sexual, you can act this way and get away with it, whereas that would never work with sex.
Bingo! And it's no act, it's the God's honest truth. Tickling is not sexual. I'm telling you man, the sooner you let that simple wonderful fact sink in, it'll open a whole new dimension to your life.

By the sounds of it, you deliberately set your relationships up with the open door of being able to cheat and get away with it and as a result...
Now come on, Hari, we've already been through this. It isn't cheating. There's no double standard at work. There's no violation of any agreement. There's no guilt. My conscience is crystal clear, my friend. You can impose that restriction on yourself if you like, but you can't impose it on me.

yeh, you might get to enjoy your fetish a lot more often and with a lot more variation than someone like me.
What can I say? Life is good.

But to me, the bond between me and my partner is more important than any of that. I wouldn't want to have tickle sessions OR sex with anyone else, whether I could get away with it or not.
Fair enough, pal. To each his own. I wish you nothing but the best, man.
 
Tickling is not sexual.

Ok, if I get tied down and tickled, it turns me on. Always. I'm just wired that way, I can't turn it off. Does it still mean tickling is not sexual to me?
 
Ok, if I get tied down and tickled, it turns me on. Always. I'm just wired that way, I can't turn it off.
Ecch!...That is way more information than I ever want to know. :xlime: I thought you only shared that kind of thing with close friends?!

Does it still mean tickling is not sexual to me?
What it means is that you have a sexual response to being tickled. The tickling hasn't become sexual. You just like it. A lot. The sexuality doesn't come from the tickling. It comes from your head. It's likely that you get excited more from the idea of being tickled and the fact that somebody you dig is tickling you rather than the actual sensation.
 
So now you're distinguishing between the act of tickling and the mental aspect of tickling? Interesting approach.

I think most people would define tickling more broadly than you are choosing to, including the anticipation of the act, thoughts of the act, and the chemistry between oneself and their partner.

It's similar for a lot of fetishes. One might enjoy the idea of being sissified by another person, but they probably don't get a chubby from the sensation of wearing women's clothes.


Also, you REALLY didn't want to know that a woman got a sexual rise out of being tied and tickled? Kinda makes me wonder why you're here in the first place if that's true.
 
So now you're distinguishing between the act of tickling and the mental aspect of tickling? Interesting approach.

I think most people would define tickling more broadly than you are choosing to, including the anticipation of the act, thoughts of the act, and the chemistry between oneself and their partner.

It's similar for a lot of fetishes. One might enjoy the idea of being sissified by another person, but they probably don't get a chubby from the sensation of wearing women's clothes.
Good points all around. Can't disagree with any of it.

Also, you REALLY didn't want to know that a woman got a sexual rise out of being tied and tickled?
It depends on the woman. If it were somebody I personally liked, even a little bit, I'd be very interested.

Kinda makes me wonder why you're here in the first place if that's true.
Really? I don't know why it would, but I'll tell you anyway. I'm here for the discussion and the interaction. Since I'm not really looking to score any action, that allows me to be more frank and candid. I get the idea that some of the guys simply adopt whatever posture they believe will be most attractive to the women. But that's just a theory.
 
At this point I am betting it has been said already, but regardless. What you as the possible cheater thinks does not matter. The partner you are not telling is the one that must decide for themselves if it is cheating or not.

Him: Honey I don't understand why you're upset that I had sex with this other woman behind your back and now you want a divorce, but I hate to tell you that I don't think it is cheating for me to have sex with random people behind your back so what you think doesn't matter. No divorce cause I wasn't cheating.

Her: Oh okay sweetie, I didn't know you don't think that is cheating so its okay lets go get ice cream.

Doesn't work that way.
 
At this point I am betting it has been said already, but regardless. What you as the possible cheater thinks does not matter. The partner you are not telling is the one that must decide for themselves if it is cheating or not.

Him: Honey I don't understand why you're upset that I had sex with this other woman behind your back and now you want a divorce, but I hate to tell you that I don't think it is cheating for me to have sex with random people behind your back so what you think doesn't matter. No divorce cause I wasn't cheating.

Her: Oh okay sweetie, I didn't know you don't think that is cheating so its okay lets go get ice cream.

Doesn't work that way.

DAMMIT BABE, NOW I WANT ICE CREAM.... LET'S GO!
 
Discussion and interaction are why I am here as well, and if I can do both while also appealing to the female demographic, then I am just uber-talented. 🙂
 
Evidently we have different definitions of "honest." Mine doesn't happen to include a full disclosure of each and every thing that has the potential to excite me.

That's probably a good idea if you can't seem to maintain the distinction between sex and tickling. I've had many sexual encounters with no tickling at all involved. I've had many tickling encounters in which there was nothing sexual about it. I prefer to honestly acknowledge the difference between the two activities, rather than to be dishonest and make excuses to ignore it.

Bingo! And it's no act, it's the God's honest truth. Tickling is not sexual. I'm telling you man, the sooner you let that simple wonderful fact sink in, it'll open a whole new dimension to your life.

Now come on, Hari, we've already been through this. It isn't cheating. There's no double standard at work. There's no violation of any agreement. There's no guilt. My conscience is crystal clear, my friend. You can impose that restriction on yourself if you like, but you can't impose it on me.

What can I say? Life is good.

Fair enough, pal. To each his own. I wish you nothing but the best, man.

At this stage I have two choices. I can again in detail, point out why most of what you've said is nonsense in terms of being decent toward a significant other. In which case you'll again make out that I'm missing out and that you're way of doing things is better, who new dimension to my life and so on.

Or I can respect how circular this discussion has become and take the easy route for once. I imagine by now, enough people have nodded their heads at my responses and shook their heads at yours for me to have gotten my point across 😉

Easy way will do just fine.

Participating in your sexual fetish with someone outside of the boundaries of the relationship is cheating. You have been and always will be wrong to say it isn't.
 
Discussion and interaction are why I am here as well, and if I can do both while also appealing to the female demographic, then I am just uber-talented. 🙂
Rock on, brother!

Say, did you know you are the second person to change his TMF name since the beginning of this thread?
 
This thread is a good one. Causes all sorts of introspection and such. . . We all have to re-evaluate our place in the world. 🙂
 
At this stage I have two choices. I can again in detail, point out why most of what you've said is nonsense in terms of being decent toward a significant other. In which case you'll again make out that I'm missing out and that you're way of doing things is better, who new dimension to my life and so on.

Or I can respect how circular this discussion has become and take the easy route for once. I imagine by now, enough people have nodded their heads at my responses and shook their heads at yours for me to have gotten my point across 😉

Easy way will do just fine.

Participating in your sexual fetish with someone outside of the boundaries of the relationship is cheating. You have been and always will be wrong to say it isn't.


POINT, MATCH, GAME! And HARI WINS! 😛
 
What it means is that you have a sexual response to being tickled. The tickling hasn't become sexual. You just like it. A lot. The sexuality doesn't come from the tickling. It comes from your head. It's likely that you get excited more from the idea of being tickled and the fact that somebody you dig is tickling you rather than the actual sensation.

You didn't answer my question. I didn't want nor need explained where the sexuality comes from. It doesn't matter. All that matters is that I DO get sexually excited when being tickled. So is it cheating or not?
 
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