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JJ Abrams Star Trek Sucks Ass (Lots of Spoilers)

1. "Alternate universe" is hardly a cop-out. You honestly don't believe that having Kirk's father dead from the very hour of his birth, as opposed to being "there, and supportive" right through his academy graduation, would have an effect upon his attitudes and approach to life?

No, this doesn't explain the FUBAR with the Romulans but, to be honest, the original scenario with the Romulans is completely ridiculous. There's been 100 years of war, and they're offshoots of Vulcans, and nobody knows what they look like..? I've got to be missing something substantial, or was Gene simply hanging out with Uri Gellar and watching him bend spoons with his mind while he was writing that one? Honestly?

That being said... the whole "commendation for original thinking" is a very small detail, easily changed in the time-continuum sense of things by the very LARGE detail of Kirk having a dramatically different attitude than the one he was "supposed to have had" had time not been tap-danced all over.

How's that for a run-on sentence, be-yotch? Yeah, that's right. I went there (and kept going there, for a while, using commas, etc. etc., ad nauseum).

2. The episodes of any given Star Trek series contradict each other on small points here and there. There are also things that simply don't make sense, because the original episodes were written with little thought to continuity beyond the occasional "hey, I've heard that name before..." and absolutely no thought to "someday, this is going to be a worldwide phenomenon with five television series, eleven movies, and its own freakin' economy in used movie prostheses and realistic-looking phasers being traded by super-geeks on the internet... wait, WTF is the internet?"

I love Star Trek. I've spent my fair share of time dressed as a Klingon, trying to get the language down to a conversational level, and I'd say only about 80% of that time was actually at a convention. I also love Star Wars, and a significantly larger percentage of the time I spent dressed as a Stormtrooper (as opposed to the time spent dressed as a Klingon) was not at a convention. The time I spent dressed as a Klingon Stormtrooper WAS, however, at a convention... actually, it was at two of them, and I must say that the Trekkies are a lot more open-minded about being a fan of *gasp* MORE THAN ONE CONTINUITY than the average Star Wars geek. There are exceptions, of course, and that greater open-minded-ness does tend to come with even more geekish dedication (thus requiring more open-minded-ness in the first place).

Y'wanna know what really got peoples' goats bleating? I showed up at a Star Wars convention dressed as a Dwarf from The Lord of the Rings. That's right, I'm a fan of that too. I've also played World of Warcraft, and I'm a huge D&D geek; currently, I'm writing freelance material for various third-party, Dungeons-and-Dragons compatible RPG publishers.

It could be worse, though... Seriously.

I'm just having fun. I find it fun, a pleasant, temporary escape from my everyday routine, enjoyable, a little exciting at times, often inspirational for my own writing, occasionally... yes... upholding of a greater hope for the future of humanity in general, however empty that might seem at times when I'm not actually around fellow geeks and having a ball... and... well, fun!

It could be a LOT worse. I could be one of those complete fruitcakes that wears their Star Trek uniform to work every day... or who thinks George Lucas is the second coming of Jesus Christ... or who waits in line for six months to buy tickets to Star Wars IVXLCMI: The Phantom Acting, or, who can pull episode names out of their ass and actually think that it matters, somehow.

It's not real. It's a fun, temporary diversion, and if you've got enough of an imagination to appreciate Star * or LotR or comic books or RPGs, you ought to be able to fill in the blanks for yourself and enjoy each new induction into your continuity-of-choice for what it's meant to be, instead of stumbling over every little inconsistency.

Oh, and for the record, I've written three separate letters to Wizards of the Coast detailing point-for-point why they're Satan Incarnate for releasing such a piece-of-shit 4th Edition version of D&D. I just thought, y'know, that I'd throw that out there. No response yet, although one of the guys who works there is named Stan, and I think I wrote "Stan" instead of "Satan" at one point, so he might've taken things somewhat personally. The next time I'm in Washington state egging their windows, I'll apologize to him.
 
No, this doesn't explain the FUBAR with the Romulans but, to be honest, the original scenario with the Romulans is completely ridiculous. There's been 100 years of war, and they're offshoots of Vulcans, and nobody knows what they look like..? I've got to be missing something substantial, or was Gene simply hanging out with Uri Gellar and watching him bend spoons with his mind while he was writing that one? Honestly?

that's my point.. 100 year war, they have to know somethinga bout them right? Blah. you don't go fighting for that long without knowing them.

That being said... the whole "commendation for original thinking" is a very small detail, easily changed in the time-continuum sense of things by the very LARGE detail of Kirk having a dramatically different attitude than the one he was "supposed to have had" had time not been tap-danced all over.

Yes sir. And after they found out that Kirk cheated they had to be shipped out to their ships so they couldn't deal with it anyways...
 
1. "Alternate universe" is hardly a cop-out. You honestly don't believe that having Kirk's father dead from the very hour of his birth, as opposed to being "there, and supportive" right through his academy graduation, would have an effect upon his attitudes and approach to life?

Oh it's a cop out all right. No more so then Marvel Comics doing this dumb ass bit with the Spider-Man "One More Day" story line.

Sanhael said:
No, this doesn't explain the FUBAR with the Romulans but, to be honest, the original scenario with the Romulans is completely ridiculous. There's been 100 years of war, and they're offshoots of Vulcans, and nobody knows what they look like..? I've got to be missing something substantial, or was Gene simply hanging out with Uri Gellar and watching him bend spoons with his mind while he was writing that one? Honestly?

If you ever saw the episode you would understand why it is possible.

Samhael said:
That being said... the whole "commendation for original thinking" is a very small detail, easily changed in the time-continuum sense of things by the very LARGE detail of Kirk having a dramatically different attitude than the one he was "supposed to have had" had time not been tap-danced all over.

How's that for a run-on sentence, be-yotch? Yeah, that's right. I went there (and kept going there, for a while, using commas, etc. etc., ad nauseum).

A poor man's Zack Morris, is still a poor man's Zack Morris. Not bad on the run-on sentence eather, be-yotch X 10.:mine:

Samhael said:
2. The episodes of any given Star Trek series contradict each other on small points here and there. There are also things that simply don't make sense, because the original episodes were written with little thought to continuity beyond the occasional "hey, I've heard that name before..." and absolutely no thought to "someday, this is going to be a worldwide phenomenon with five television series, eleven movies, and its own freakin' economy in used movie prostheses and realistic-looking phasers being traded by super-geeks on the internet... wait, WTF is the internet?"

Actualy the contradictions come more from the fact that there had never been a show quite like Star Trek before. The people involved in the production of the show knew it could be big, maybe not as big as it got, but what really caused the show probablems was the fact that the TV station didn't believe in it, all the looked at was short term coast, instead of long term gain. Even after a letter writing campaign they were to close minded and stuck the 3rd season on Fridays a 9 pm. The fan base was either out at the Hop, or in bed by that time.

Samhael said:
I love Star Trek. I've spent my fair share of time dressed as a Klingon, trying to get the language down to a conversational level, and I'd say only about 80% of that time was actually at a convention. I also love Star Wars, and a significantly larger percentage of the time I spent dressed as a Stormtrooper (as opposed to the time spent dressed as a Klingon) was not at a convention. The time I spent dressed as a Klingon Stormtrooper WAS, however, at a convention... actually, it was at two of them, and I must say that the Trekkies are a lot more open-minded about being a fan of *gasp* MORE THAN ONE CONTINUITY than the average Star Wars geek. There are exceptions, of course, and that greater open-minded-ness does tend to come with even more geekish dedication (thus requiring more open-minded-ness in the first place).

Actually a Klingon in Storm Trooper armour sounds pretty cool. Though to be honest the Empire was pretty set on enslaving or killing any none corrilian/human folks. A Vulcan Jedi would be very interesting though.

Samhael said:
Y'wanna know what really got peoples' goats bleating? I showed up at a Star Wars convention dressed as a Dwarf from The Lord of the Rings. That's right, I'm a fan of that too. I've also played World of Warcraft, and I'm a huge D&D geek; currently, I'm writing freelance material for various third-party, Dungeons-and-Dragons compatible RPG publishers.

Now that would have been worth the price of admition to see the looks on their faces lol.

Samhael said:
It could be worse, though... Seriously.

Yeah, you could have shown up as a Bord-Wookie at a Lord of The Rings convention... actually thats sound pretty good.

Samhael said:
I'm just having fun. I find it fun, a pleasant, temporary escape from my everyday routine, enjoyable, a little exciting at times, often inspirational for my own writing, occasionally... yes... upholding of a greater hope for the future of humanity in general, however empty that might seem at times when I'm not actually around fellow geeks and having a ball... and... well, fun!

What makes you think I am not having a fun with all of this? All I did was post my reasons for not liking to movie, it's the rest of you who are losing you minds over it. All I am doing is defending my opinion... and having a blast in the prosses.

Sanhael said:
It could be a LOT worse. I could be one of those complete fruitcakes that wears their Star Trek uniform to work every day... or who thinks George Lucas is the second coming of Jesus Christ... or who waits in line for six months to buy tickets to Star Wars IVXLCMI: The Phantom Acting, or, who can pull episode names out of their ass and actually think that it matters, somehow.

If George Lucas was Jessus then episodes I-III would have been a hell of allot better then they were. While the names of epsodes shot, if I am going to explain my issues with the Faux Trek then I should be able to point out where I get my information from correct?

Samhael said:
It's not real. It's a fun, temporary diversion, and if you've got enough of an imagination to appreciate Star * or LotR or comic books or RPGs, you ought to be able to fill in the blanks for yourself and enjoy each new induction into your continuity-of-choice for what it's meant to be, instead of stumbling over every little inconsistency.

kirk should still be closer in age to Pike. You can make all the exuses you want, but it's still been stated, and that is one thing they should have stuck too. Myers did his research and came out with the best movie to date, Abrams just turned Trek into a buntch of explotions, bat cuts, crappy one liners, and undramatic performances.

Samhaem said:
Oh, and for the record, I've written three separate letters to Wizards of the Coast detailing point-for-point why they're Satan Incarnate for releasing such a piece-of-shit 4th Edition version of D&D. I just thought, y'know, that I'd throw that out there. No response yet, although one of the guys who works there is named Stan, and I think I wrote "Stan" instead of "Satan" at one point, so he might've taken things somewhat personally. The next time I'm in Washington state egging their windows, I'll apologize to him.

What else can I say to this but, go get 'em tiger.
 
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Lousy director? The millions of people that have made Lost pretty popular might disagree with you on that one. And I wasn't talking about new lines, I was talking about new acting style, he was different. he didn't studder when he said his lines..

Neither did Shatner, he performed his lines with dramatic enthusiasm. I realize you probably can't tell the difference. You come from a time where having an actual personality is considered Politicaly Incorrect of something right. William Shatner brought Passion and charisma to the role, Pine brought nothing.


mtTicklemonster said:
I loved DS9, not only did one of my favorite characters, Miles O' Brian from TNG become a main person but it was also different than the others. It was orriginal. It started off taking place in a space station instead of a ship so we could be introduced to more aliens and stuff.. Voyager was kind of orriginal and could bring new aliens as well bc it took place in the Delta Quadrent.

I liked O'Brian myself actually, but he was basicly an Irish Mr. Scott in the long run. Voyager was sort of "ST:OS" meets "Lost In Space". It was Swiss Familly Robinson in Space like Lost In Space was, but they were a ship tying to find it's way back. I've liked the episodes of this show I've seen best of all the TNG era shows because it was most like the Orginal Series, with a slight twist on the Andventure.

mtTicklemonster said:
And if you are tryin to sound patronizing by saying "some little fur balls in it, and Red, Yellow, and Blue shirts." I'm well aware of what Tribbles are and I know you were talking about the TOS uniforms. And Trials and Tribblations is a good episode.

Of course it is a good episode, it was the best episode, cause Kirk do there CGI stuff to bring the original Trek cast to the show.

One thing that might have been interesting would have been a series where a Star Fleet officer somehow ends up in the Mirror universe, but can't come back because his counterpart ended up dying in his univese an there is no way for him to switch back. So he is stuck and has to deal with it.
 
As I have not yet seen the movie I am not on any side where that is concerned, but I do see the reasoning behind why they made this the way they did...Let us face it, half of the original cast is dead or too old to reprise their roles and no one can play their parts the way they did so they will never be replaced...

But...change the timeline and create an alternate reality and the possibilities can be endless for new adventures... we can watch the new Kirk and Spock form a relationship that down the road might be every bit as awesome as the original characters...

A fresh and different take on the world of Trek will at the very least keep the franchise alive and flourishing for years to come...

Keep in mind that the first season of TNG really did suck....but as it progressed I really enjoyed the character developement and the new villians that sprung forth..

Deep space was more a soap opera until it got going and "Enterprise had a lot of potential until they kept messing with the time slot...

As for Voyager.....well..i wont go there...I really never liked the whole concept...

But the point of all of this is that there is room for lots of different scenarios in the world of Trek...

Given enough time they all tend to grow on the true fan....
 
As I have not yet seen the movie I am not on any side where that is concerned, but I do see the reasoning behind why they made this the way they did...Let us face it, half of the original cast is dead or too old to reprise their roles and no one can play their parts the way they did so they will never be replaced...

I don't have a problem with them doing a back story sort of film. I could have gone with out the who "Time Altering" stuff with the Romulans and Mr. Spock. I wouldn't have even gone to see this movie, but my father wanted to see it. I was enjoying it for the first 20-30 min, but then as it went on the more retarded Kirk came off. I hated what Abram did with just about everything. He is a lousy director and his pals were were simply to lazy to research the old show to paist together something that still respected the old school fans. The "I don't believe in the no win sinario." comment Pine makes as Zack Morris... I mean LT Kirk... came across as said just to be said.

mtTicklemonster:There are a total of 21 people involved on the creative side of lost, and I still don't watch the show. Now that I know Abram is involved I will go out of my way to avoid it or anything else he does in the furture
 
venray; said:
Keep in mind that the first season of TNG really did suck....but as it progressed I really enjoyed the character developement and the new villians that sprung forth..

Deep space was more a soap opera until it got going and "Enterprise had a lot of potential until they kept messing with the time slot...

As for Voyager.....well..i wont go there...I really never liked the whole concept...
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I'll agree with that assessment 100%,
The Next Generation is my favorite of all the Treks, but
that's because I grew up on it....Love that Galaxy Class
Starship🙂. Your totally right though, the first season was bad and
I'll even say the second wasn't that great. It had some good eps,
but overall I think it was very very mediocre.

Then Bam the the third season kicked in and it was on a roll,
that season was great and so were the ones that followed. It just
needed to find its footing and get the creative juices flowing.

I stated something similar in an earlier post.
I agree that DS9 was somewhat soap opera ish, but then it got
moving and there were some really great action packed eps.
Thing is some eps I love to this day when I think back about
it and others I can't stand. Hit or miss.

As for Voyager it was way more hit or miss than DS9. I
had a real hard time getting into it. Once again some eps
I thought were very good, some I thought
were great, but then even more were pretty
crappy. Sometimes that show irked the hell out of me.
Lets just say I won't go there either..

I really enjoyed Enterprise, especially the third and fourth seasons,
then they canned it.

Love the original series and the remastered eps are super slick.
Though you have to agree with me....that space hippie ep, you know
the one with all the peace and love singing and Spock rock and the
guy with the big weird ears...that Eden episode. That has to make you
cringe as much as it makes me.:shock:
 
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I neber thought I would say this about something Star Trek related....but this is all way too nerdy for me!
 
I neber thought I would say this about something Star Trek related....but this is all way too nerdy for me!

Shame on you!!!

LOL.

By the way I picked up Star Trek: The Eugenics Wars Vols 1. As the title would imply it is about the "Rise and Fall of Kahn Noonien Singh" It also includes the character Gary 7 (Robert Lansing) and Roberta Lincoln (Teri Garr) from the ST:OS episode Assienment: Earth. From what I have heard Author Greg Cox ties in actual historical events to Khan. The parts of the book the pretain to Kirk take place roughly 4 years after he left Khan on Seti Alpha 5. Right now I am in the midle of reading Dragonlance "The War of Souls" Vol 1, so I won't be reading it right away, but I am pretty sure I will like it. I have Vol 2 coming in, and then the 3rd part of the story To Reign in Hell follows the events between Khan being left on Seti Alpha 5 and Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, at least I think that is what it will be about.
 
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I don't care for the term "Trekker"...to me it sounds more nerdish.
Both terms are used within the Star Trek fan community. Only those who fall under one or the other category, however, appear to understand the distinction, which is apparently quite real (at least to them).
 
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